Insight of a Bull's-Eye

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But you never answered question , fjolnirsson .
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And I don't intend to. It's a (expletive deleted) silly question. If someone practices safe dry firing procedures, there will be no reason for anyone to risk reputation or holdings.

But you never answered question , fjolnirsson .
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Well, the police academy in which I was trained advocated dry firing as a valid method of training. Aparently, that academy, as well as the CA POST board, feel safe in advocating such practices.
All of my instructors in firearms felt comfortable with the same. All of them had many years of experience with firearms, including several police snipers.

Yes, I have been shot at. I've also seen what a hollowpoint bullet does to a human head. I've been, in the past year, punched, kicked, choked, stabbed, and shot at. Why does that matter?
 
You should take all of your guns to a machine shop and have someone chop them in half with a carborundum saw- its the only way they will ever be safe. Its way above your comprehension level to open the action, make sure the magazine is empty, cycle the action a few times, and stick a finger in the chamber to make sure its empty too.
 
This thread might just rank up there with the "Mall Ninja" thread - from the bouts of yesteryear.... ;)

More importantly - who is Donnie Baker????

12-34hom.
 
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I'm not sure what that quote has to do with anything I wrote.

I'll rejoin this coversation when you can cite one case where an unloaded gun was pointed in a safe direction at a target with a safe backstop and the trigger was pulled and the result was that someone was injured.

Until then, I'm off.
 
Allow me to put this in the perspective by simply going through the numbers:

Maximum number of rounds per year fired by Swamp Fox: 9
Number of rounds required to compete in a full blown Bullseye Pistol match: 270
Number of rounds required to compete in an NRA High Power Match: 50
Number of lethal force encounters Jeff Cooper has been in: 3
Number of rounds required for a normal 3Gun stage: 20-40

Number of rational arguments Swamp Fox has presented for why dry firing is wrong: 0
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Number of posts by Swamp Fox so far about those 9 shots he takes per year: 36
 
Guys, sf doesn't want or expect answers. He wants us to get upset and continue to argue with and try to teach him.

He who doesn't wish to be taught is unteachable.

He who won't listen is unreachable.

I am going to put him in my Twit filter so I never again am subjected to his drooling anti-common sense drivel.

I suggest you do the same.

Give up on him and he will go away.

DM
 
DM, you seem to be working from the assumption that I think he can be taught.

Honestly, about the only thing more fun than this thread would be having a debate with him on live TV.

Preferably during Superbowl Halftime.

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Ok.

I've read 100% of the posts in here. I have to admit that I had to read post #1 about eight times, and I still don't understand what the poster was trying to say.

But what he's trying to do is fairly clear. And ... it appears that he's doing a pretty good job of it judging from the quantity of responses to the uneducated ramblings he's posted. Does anyone here really believe he actually reads your posts, let alone agrees with any logic you try to sway him with? Would a guy who actually meant what he said (whatever it was) in that first post even understand what you were saying?

C'mon - sf is like that repugnant fellow who is starting to picket military funerals. He's just not yet picked quite as dangerous a venue to play his games.

Remember - the character he presents in his postings only shoots nine (usually six) rounds in a year. Of course he's nervous around guns. He probably should be.
 
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Swamp Fox is also incredibly lazy.

His threads here on THR are nothing more than exact, and I do mean exact copies of threads on other boards.

Here is "Insight of a Bulls Eye" on FALfiles.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=145232

What's even more sad, is that his follow-up posts are pretty much the same.....Even when he brings in the bit about his "brother" allegedly working with Hathcock.......

Oh man, at least put some effort into it, will yah????? :p


His story in the THR hunting forum is an exact copy-and-paste job of his "published" story at Whitetails.com.

I have a feeling, having looked at Whitetails.com, that nobody got paid for their stories there.

But this guy is not only an attention-seeker, he's a lazy attention-seeker with very limited material.


hillbilly
 
HA!

This only gets better!

A Yahoo search of "Swamp Fox" and "Insight of a Bull's eye" gave me the following.


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Talk about a one-trick pony, indeed!

hillbilly
 
Shame on Swamp-thing

"Marine Sniper," an account of Hathcock's life by Charles Henderson is a terrific read. In the book Hathcock, upon his return (I believe) for a second tour in Vietnam, laments about the poorly trained, undisciplined, unkempt and unmotivated Marines he encountered in his new unit.

Perhaps Mr. Swamp Fox would like to enlighten us as to what capacity his "older brother actually served (for two whole weeks) side-by-side with Hathcock, in Vietnam." Was your bro' one of the sniper-trainee candidates that Hathcock washed-out as not up to his high standards? Or maybe bro' did make the cut but didn't have the right stuff to take on the kind of targets that Hathcock would engage as second nature.

I would imagine there were a few deadbeats in Hathcock's unit, who in envy of his supernatural field craft and marksmanship skills, might say ""HATHCOCK was an F ..en idiot, he was trigger happy and would shoot at anything that moved."

Carlos, unlike your bro', was probably one of the few individuals on the planet who could actually HIT anything that moved, if he so chose to shoot.

Shame on you, sir, for your ill-conceived dragging of Hathcock's name through the mud in your sloppy, disjointed, unreasoned diatribe against, of all things trivial, the practice of dry-firing. :fire:
 
Swampfox:

Your legal prowess is in question if you believe that Jeff Cooper's disclaimer is an admission that his techniques are unsafe. If you think that to be the case, why would damn near everything have a lawyer warning on it nowadays (including Ruger firearms, stamped right there on the barrel)?

Your prowess as a shooter is in question if you don't know who Jeff Cooper is. I just don't know what to say about this, but if you don't believe you can learn from the man, I question your ability to learn, not his to teach. You can learn something from anybody.

Your prowess as a writer is in question after seeing your amazing butchery of the English language. I suspect that your assemblage of words--I decline to dignify it as "writing"--puts at risk the financial health of any serious magazine which publishes your article, due to the high costs of paying overtime to a team of editors. For your future reference, magazines publish editions, apostrophes don't form plurals, and there's no space before a comma.

Your understanding of your audience is remarkable only for its demonstration of abject failure, if you think that anything you've posted here will impress people who shoot more rounds in an hour than you do in a year. That goes double for the tripe you've posted on DU--we actually care about rights over here. At the risk of sounding trite, your argument that the Second Amendment needs revision due to the progress of technology can easily be substituted with an argument that the First should be revised, for the same reason, and with the same logical consistency ("chunky peanut butter").

I'm new here, so maybe this might a good way of introducing myself by posting one of two articles I've written .
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Well, yeah, I'd say you definitely introduced yourself accurately, but it probably wasn't the best idea.

Now , I know this is a controversial issue ,
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Not really.

so please don't be to hard on me.
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"You murdered yourself, son. I just carried the bullet for a while.
--Mal Reynolds
 
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I'm saying that some of you folks are advocating an irresponsible act . Again, are you willing to put your reputations and financial holdings at stake that no youngster will get hurt for following your advice?
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There are already multitudes of reknowned experts in the firearms world who state they fully advocate proper dry-fire exercises.

Well with all due respect to Mr. Jeff Cooper, if he's advocating proper safe firearms handling he doesn't need a disclaimer.
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Yeah, and McDonalds doesn't need to put "hot coffee" disclaimers on their cups because everyone knows coffee is hot already. Yet a woman burns her labia and claims she didn't know better and the coffee was "too hot", not "regular hot". A woman eats contraceptive jelly on her toast because she thinks its the proper way to use it and gets pregnent, then she sues because she claims no one has time to read instruictions on the back.

We get disclaimers even though the product works when you use it properly. Disclaimers are for protection against idiots who abuse the process or product in such an asinine and unfathomable way, not even the most tenacious of corporate lawyers could forsee such an incident as putting contraceptive jelly on white toast.
 
ok....I'm done...really

I am not a nice guy, I have no illusions to this fact, I don't use any euphemisms to hide the fact that I am generally a jerk in the most common sense. Nightcrawler can tell you I am a jerk, in fact the very user name Echo Tango implies......Evil Taylor a name Night crawler gave me in the middle east. So when i say i will pay good money for someone to track this clowns IP adress and ban it, i really mean it.......trophy incoming.
 
I have to read BS all day in my job. 0500 EDT is too early to read this kind of silly stinko.
 
Well gentleman, I believe what's behind yours and Mr. Jeff Cooper motives for advocating this so-called technique, is nothing more than to sell products with this place being designed to slam it, because there can be no other reason why a bunch of guys want to endorse something that needs a disclaimer. I am a paid member of this organization http://www.jpfo.org/ with one exception, I will not support folks rights to the Second Amendment that openly advocate this unsafe practice of dry firing .


One more thing you guys might want to consider, unlike most of you I am a military veteran and rest assure anyone viewing this discussion will take that into consideration.
 
Being a military veteran who served in Viet Nam earns you a modicum of respect from me, mainly because you didn't run when drafted, like so many others.

That being said, when it comes to debating this issue and most other topics on THR, being former military has ZERO to do with the discussion. Just so no one falls for it I'll expose what your really trying to do with that statement...

You are trying to get some frustrated member, who has read all the drivel you have posted, to disparage the military or veterans in hopes that that comment will spark a fight between THR members, whereby you will sit back and LOL. It is what you have been doing the whole time...there is a common internet term for it, but using it will get me a PM fron the moderators.

You can go on and on about the dangers of dry-firing and disclaimers, etc. The truth is you have been outed...you have been "brought into the light" and watching it reminds me of the Wizard of Oz...Sad, really.

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If you ignore him he will go away,,,

;)

I honestly can't believe this thread is still floating...

I will give him due respect as a vet however. Providing that it is true. Only he knows that for sure.
 
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