Interesting observation buying ammo online

[jaytex1969]

Today, I helped my uncle order some ammo online.

The company required a statement to be read, signed and sent stating the following:

I affirm that I am at least 18 years old.....to buy rifle ammo.

I affirm that I am at least 21 years old.....to buy pistol and 7.62x39 ammo.

Has anyone seen this distinction concerning 7.62x39 ammo before?

What's your take on it?

 

[M-Cameron]

looks like a "cover your behind" policy to me

 

[colt1911fan]

never heard that one before out of all the thousands of 7.62x39 rounds I've ordered, i usually just skip the sites that want some sort of statement or ID its not worth the hassle.

 

[CTPhil]

There are lots of places that sell ammo without having to agree to anything. If I hit a site that makes it a hassle, I'm not buying ammo there.

 

[doc.lonestar]

I have not seen that before - I have purchased from usaammo without hassell

 

[swinokur]

Maybe that caliber can be used in both long guns and handguns. It would be ok for a long gun if you are 18 but not for a handgun. You need to be 21 or over.

Just a guess

 

[jiminhobesound]

two years ago I bought 250 rounds of 7.62x39 with no such requirement

 

[tbutera2112]

^ swinokur - nope or the same stipulation would be made for 9mm, .17hmr, .410 shotgun shells, and many other calibers.

not sure why they mention that specific round.

all sites ive been on require you to check a box saying youre of legal age, never required an ID or anything else though....kinda like looking at pr0nz on the internet - you have to check the box that says "I am 18 years old" to get into the site, and nothing stops a 14yr old from click it

last few times ive bought .17hmr they have asked me if its going into a long gun or a handgun before check out for that reason...its legal if its going in a rifle but not if its going in a handgun

and when i was 20 i bought some 9mm and they didnt say anything about my age....she either overlooked it, or she knew that there are 9mm rifles not just handguns...not sure

nothing stopping somebody from lying

for example - HK USC shoots .45acp and the HK94 A2 shoots 9mm....since both are long guns, i would assume you should be able to buy .45 and 9mm if youre 18 not 21....gun store may not believe that its going into a rifle, so they may not sell it to you, but legally i would think they would be able to

 

[swinokur]

I can't remember if it was Buffalo Bore or Double Tap that requires you to either fax a copy of your DL or email a picture of it before they will sell ammo.

 

[tbutera2112]

swinokur -if a company wanted me to fax my DL to them, i would shop elsewhere...i know some sites dont require it, so it cant be something that is "mandatory" just that company wanting extra red tape...no thanks! i will be ordering some double tap ammo soon - hope its not them lol

 

[Shadow 7D]

7.62 = draco pistols...
see a number of years stuff like AP .39 was legal to have since it's only AP 'cop killer' HANDGUN rounds that are banned

Then a few outfits made AK and AR pistols....
SO now they are pistol rounds

 

[klutchless]

I have had the same issue buying 5.56 I'm not sure what the deal was but they never hasseled me about the .40 or .45 . Come to think of it might be the 'evil assault rifle' theory has somehow gotten embedded into company policy.

 

[swinokur]

Some Walmarts ask to see your DL if there is any doubt about your age. The requirement of 21 for handgun ammo is a Federal Statute so it's CYA. From Double Tap web site:

Shipping & Returns

Shipping charges will be added to each order. On orders of 1,000rds. or more shipping will be paid by DoubleTap Ammunition! All orders to Utah will have 6.6% sales tax added to the purchase price. Due to government regulations regarding ammunition sales, all customers will be required to fax, e-mail, or mail a copy of their government issued I.D. to DoubleTap Ammunition before their first order is shipped. All customers must be 21 to order pistol ammunition. No international orders will be accepted. We appreciate your business and are committed to making your experience with us as simple as possible.

Please feel free to contact us with any questions.

Call:
1(866) 357-10MM

E-mail:
[email protected]

 

[ny32182]

There have been "pistols" chambered in just about any cartridge you can think of up to and including 50BMG. My understanding is that this is effectively how there has been a ban on AP rifle ammo: because AP pistol ammo is banned, but they consider any cartridge that has ever been chambered in a pistol to be a pistol cartridge... so by default, all ammo is pistol ammo. Hopefully I'm not repeating a bunch of BS there, but it definitely sounds like something the ATF would do. I realize it doesn't jive with virtually all retail outlets willing to sell "rifle ammo" to 18 year olds, and "pistol ammo" to 21 year olds.

 

[tbutera2112]

Some Walmarts ask to see your DL if there is any doubt about your age. The requirement of 21 for handgun ammo is a Federal Statute so it's CYA. From Double Tap web site:

what i meant is that ive ordered .40 S&W ammo online and not had to fax anything.....so even though it is the law to not sell to people under 21, that policy of faxing in ID is just extra red tape imposed by DoubleTap ...not every company does that.

and I wonder what constitutes "pistol ammo"...i find it hard to believe an 18yr old can walk into a gun store and purchase an HK USC and then be told theyre not old enough to buy ammo for it since its "pistol ammo" (.45acp)

anyone able to explain how exactly that works?

 

[tbutera2112]

heres something interesting i just found....

http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/restrictions.php

Ammo Restrictions

Federal law requires that you must be at least 18 years old to purchase shotgun ammunition and 21 years or older to purchase pistol and rifle ammunition.

You do not need an FFL to purchase ammunition online.
All ammunition will be shipped UPS ground with signature required. Ammo cannot be shipped air freight.
We can ship ammunition to your door via UPS.
For safety reasons, we do not accept returns on ammunition.
Always make sure you use the correct ammunition for your specific firearm.
Check your local laws for any other regulations before ordering.

then directly below it

You must be 18 or older to purchase long guns and 21 or older to purchase hand guns. Check your local & state laws.

so this site is saying you can buy a .22 rifle from them, but they can't sell you 22 ammo? sounds like theyre misinformed....goes to show that apparently even big companies get confused on ammo laws

 

[Shmackey]

There are lots of places that sell ammo without having to agree to anything. If I hit a site that makes it a hassle, I'm not buying ammo there.

Seriously.

I've bought from DoubleTap plenty of times with no nonsense. Maybe that's a new policy.

 

[Obsidian]

CYA apparently.


I find it hard to swallow that these retailers, would not know that much of the ammunition has uses in both rifles and handguns. I think that information is put up as such so that if Thug B. Gangbanger buys something from them they have done all they can to discourage a underage purchase for something that is illegal.

I remember when I was 20, I purchased a Ruger Deerfeild Carbine from a Gander Mountain. I asked for a couple boxes of ammuntion and was told -after- I went though the paperwork to purchase this rifle that they would not sell me the ammunition, because it was considered handgun ammunition by their cooperate office. I did not return to that chain for a long time.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Speaking in terms of Federal law only:

The legal age requirement does not center around the caliber of the ammo purchased. The legal age requirement depends ENTIRELY upon the intended use of the ammo by the purchaser.

If the person intends to use the ammo in a handgun, they must be 21 to purchase the ammo from a licensed dealer (18 USC 922 (b)(1)) or 18 to obtain the ammo from a private party (18 USC 922 (x)(1) & (5)).

If the person intends to use the ammo in a long gun, they must be 18 to purchase the ammo from a licensed dealer (18 USC 922 (b)(1)) and there is no Federal age limit for obtaining the ammo from a private party.

If a person lies to a licensed dealer and says they are going to use the ammo in a rifle in order to obtain ammo for use in a handgun and they are <21 then that person commits a Federal felony violating 18 USC 922 (a)(6).

 

[simon_rook]

When I shop at the local WAL-Mart for ammo they have to ask if your 22lr is for a pistol or a rifle if its for a rifle you have to be 18, 21 for the pistol. Really its nothing more than a honor system but its to comply with state laws saying you have to be 21 to purchase pistol ammo.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

I routinely purchase ammo from AIM surplus. THey require a DL on file, no big deal to me, their customer service is great, and they are trying to avoid sales to minors...good for them.

 

[threefeathers]

I buy from Lucky Gunner and Ammo to Go and they both require signed statements.

 

[tbutera2112]

www.bulkammo.com

nothing needs to be on file with them

 

[Sig88]

I dont remember ever being asked to show my ID for ammo. To buy online they usually ask for proof of age but that's it. I think age requirements for ammo are pretty stupid