Israeli Ruger?
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Yeah, this picture and a few like it have been floating around the internet for 20+ years.
someguy2800
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This isn't a political forum but I have mixed feelings about the afair. On one had you have the Israelis that have been victims of terrorist attacks forever and are supposedly defending themselves from rioters throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails. On the other hand you have the Palestinians who have been denied the human rights that we and Israeli citizens enjoy. The ideals that founded our own country are that people have the right to self governance and the right to bear arms to defend themselves and their community and country, and there is no denying that they have not been allowed the rights that we so passionately defend. The whole thing has enormous potential for human rights abuse.
someguy2800
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I don't think the writers were aware that Ruger is a brand name of firearms, not a specific type of rifle. I don't think they were really aware of what a 22 long rifle is either. Pretty poor research for an article.
Carl N. Brown
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"I don't think the writers were aware that Ruger is a brand name of firearms, not a specific type of rifle. I don't think they were really aware of what a 22 long rifle is either. Pretty poor research for an article."
You're probably correct. Did they did know "Ruger" from being a general gun type or a brand name or a specific model. Probably not. "News Speak" uses "Uzi" for guns that aren't Uzis and "Glock" for revolvers. Same with "semi-automatic" and "22 long rifle": probably phrases unfamiliar to them and thus scary (or presented as scary to their audience).
Typical level of gun research for most media everywhere.
You're probably correct. Did they did know "Ruger" from being a general gun type or a brand name or a specific model. Probably not. "News Speak" uses "Uzi" for guns that aren't Uzis and "Glock" for revolvers. Same with "semi-automatic" and "22 long rifle": probably phrases unfamiliar to them and thus scary (or presented as scary to their audience).
Typical level of gun research for most media everywhere.
Armybrat
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I bought each of my three sons a new Ruger 10/22 on the day they were born (1968, 1971, 1977).
Never thought about them being used as a combat weapon.
Never thought about them being used as a combat weapon.
jonnyc
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The Palestinian Authority/PLO signed a negotiated agreement with Israel in the late 90s and soon had significant freedom and autonomy in the West Bank and Gaza. Abbas, the current president of "democratic Palestine" was elected in 2009 and hasn't allowed another election since. Israel handed the entire Gaza Strip over to the Palestinians in 2005 and Hamas promptly threw the "elected" PLO out. So right or not, the Palestinians have not exercised their right to self-governance and have abused the civil rights of their own people far more than Israel has. They have also consistently abrogated those rights by committing terrorist attacks on non-combatant Israelis. And that right to bear arms that we so ardently support does not mean that you can use those arms with blatant disregard for others or prevent your targets from shooting back.
If there’s one thing more complicated than Israeli politics, it’s Palestinian politics. I see this story as an interesting part of the debate in Israel over the boundary between what is necessary vs excessive force. As an active democracy (with its fair share of issues) there’s always a debate on where that boundary is. Less lethal weapons do nasty things to people and using lethal weapons (like a 10/22) in a less lethal can do that too. I don’t envy the position of IDF officers or Israeli police. It’s a game of least bad choices.
We have wandered far off topic for THR.
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