It's a Fight for Survival -- Pull Out All Stops

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The Los Angeles Times
May 12, 2004

It's a Fight for Survival -- Pull Out All Stops
By Bruce Herschensohn

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-herschensohn12may12,1,4
021093.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

It may seem to be a radical idea, but why not use every means possible —
without politically correct detours — to win the war against terrorism?

Our victory in World War II was not achieved by trying to win the hearts and
minds of Germans and Japanese. We did not dominate the newsreels with
pictures of those things a few American troops did to captured enemies. We
did not call for an end to domestic profiling. We did not demonstrate
against our military involvement. There was not the outrageous political
complaint that "I support the troops but oppose the war."

Instead of all that, we bombed our enemies to submission with all the power
and weaponry we had available. After our costly invasion of Europe, with
immense U.S. casualties, the atomic bomb was ready — and to prevent another
invasion we used it on Japan. Today, we justifiably call those Americans of
the 1940s "the Greatest Generation." During those years of war there was one
issue: winning the war by demanding absolute and unconditional surrender of
our enemies. Other issues were put aside as luxuries that would be reserved
for a later time; there was not a simultaneous cry for saving the
environment and a demand for creating more jobs and an insistence on
government-provided healthcare and lower costs for prescription drugs.

But in the 1960s came the Vietnam War, along with its battles televised to
American living rooms. Since that war, too many Americans have insisted only
on fast wars with few casualties. They all had to be something like the
invasion of Grenada or the liberation of Kuwait.

But if we want to win the war against terrorism we must accept a lengthy war
with many casualties, because the consequences of defeat will mean our
future generations will be left to lifetimes of fear. If we lose this war,
we will be on the road back to the Middle Ages.

The devil with winning the hearts and minds of enemies who believe in
primitive and uncivilized governments while being taught to hate the United
States. The devil with allowing privileged sanctuaries for the enemy as we
did during much of the Vietnam War. Now privileged sanctuaries provide
safety not for the North Vietnamese army in Laos and Cambodia but for
terrorists and their headquarters and safe houses and training centers in
Syria and Lebanon and Iran and Yemen and the West Bank and Gaza. And the
devil with congressional commissions that do little more than bring aid and
comfort to our enemies.

After the defeat in Southeast Asia, the peace achieved by the enemy cost
more lives than the war. This seems lost in history and intentionally lost
in the memory of many Americans who rallied against the war in Vietnam. More
than a million "boat people" escaped the horrors of re-education camps in
Vietnam, but it's estimated that half of them drowned in the South China
Sea. More than 2 million people lost their lives in the genocide of
Cambodia's peace. If we should lose this war on terror, Americans could
march to re-education camps, others will become boat people and the U.S.
will become a Western mirror of Cambodia's genocide.

In fairness, there is an alternative to our involvement in the war against
terrorism, and that is to leave our fate to the international community
under the United Nations. Yes, the U.N. can bring about peace: the peace of
the palace for the few in authority, the peace of subjugation for the many
and the peace of mass graves for the courageous.

The only subject worthy of our national attention and the only pursuit that
should be acceptable is total victory — no matter if others are offended or
even destroyed. I know this kind of thinking is not considered acceptable in
2004. But we better accept it — and quickly. And if we make it our only
cause and unconditional victory is achieved, our leadership and our troops
and our home-front supporters of their mission will be known as another
"Greatest Generation."
 
The only subject worthy of our national attention and the only pursuit that should be acceptable is total victory — no matter if others are offended or even destroyed. I know this kind of thinking is not considered acceptable in 2004. But we better accept it — and quickly.

America will eventually come to the same conclusion as the author of the article in question has. Unfortunately it will take at least another event or maybe/probably even two for it to happen.

However, implementation of a total victory stategy as was extant in WWII in today's world and based on the nature of the enemy will be very difficult if not impossible.

Are we looking at the next 100 years war?
 
This is pretty amazing commentary from Mr. Herschensohn; if I'm not mistaken, if he leaned any farther to the left, he'd fall over...

Sawdust
 
"This is pretty amazing commentary from Mr. Herschensohn; if I'm not mistaken, if he leaned any farther to the left, he'd fall over.."

?????????????????????????
 
I've been waiting for someone to publicly draw this analogy to WWII. GWB needs to read this.

BTW, Bruce Herscshenson has never been a leftist. He ran (and lost) here in Calif against some Democrat-don't remeber the office. He used to be a political commentator on KTLA channel 5 TV in L.A.
 
It's a fight for survival

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Are we looking at the next 100 years war?

WAR IS PEACE

FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

If the agenda is to implement significant social change, hiding it behind a flurry of daily war news for 100 years might be just what they're looking for
 
BTW, Bruce Herscshenson has never been a leftist. He ran (and lost) here in Calif against some Democrat-don't remeber the office. He used to be a political commentator on KTLA channel 5 TV in L.A.

Thank-you, RileyMC; I stand corrected.

Sawdust
 
Things are bad as they are, but they are going to get much worse. I think of the world I was brought up in and the one I'm going to have to raise my son in. The two are so different. I know his generation is really going to have it tough unless we act decisively and act now. Not after the election, but right now. Make a statement that we will not tolerate any harm to American citizens.
 
I'm afraid you're right HBK

My mom and sisters are both voting for Kerry,I'm working on them (they don't like or understand politics)
I think most folks have never heard of moveon.org and answer,but get their news from 60minutes and dateline and sources like that are havens for lefty rad-libs...
I use my own Family for example they have now only just heard about Kerry and they can't name any of the other Dem candidates,they do not even know where Kerry is from!
They do not know who their Senator is!
They know alot about cars,baseball,pop stars,who is winning American Idle and survivor.
They vote based on Emotion only and they do not even realize it.
Makes it very difficult to talk about politics because they don't understand politics at all and pay very little attention,usually never even voting,but mom and sis are against the war because we lost family members in Viet Nam.
 
I was against the invasion of Iraq.

I am still against the occupation of Iraq. I'd rather we left Iraq to the terrorist/rebels (then we can claim terrorist activities and/or WMD's and regularly bomb the s__t out of 'em).

But as long as we are there, on the ground, we need to do it right. And by "right" I don't mean "politically correct." If we are going to do it, then do it and right soon! No "kid gloves." Half the world agrees with the war. The other half doesn't. I don't think it will change much either way if we start taking out mosques where suspected terrorists and/or rebels are hiding. I'm sure many "innocent" Iraqis have died thus far, from both coalition forces and terrorists/rebel forces. Sorry, but that is war.

If the kid gloves do not come off soon, then bring the troops back home.
 
Anyone remembers that 3000 "innocent" civilians died in the towers?

Our brave "mainstream" medias surely doesn't. It's all about that poor "innocent" Iraqis that cheered the death of Americans.

Day after day I get more sick of the "Liberals", especially Ted, "the swimmer". He gets my "World's Greatest Hippocrate" award.

Despicable! He's a traitor!
 
All our hand wringing about the prisoners just showed us , once again, to be weak.

And our enemy has capitalized on it.

They don't believe that we have the stomach for a prolonged battle....

In many respects they are probably correct....

Our President has the resolve that so many others do not.

Rather than blaming the military for worsening morale , we need look no further than the media and partisan hacks like Mr. Kennedy
 
I am still against the occupation of Iraq. I'd rather we left Iraq to the terrorist/rebels (then we can claim terrorist activities and/or WMD's and regularly bomb the s__t out of 'em).

But as long as we are there, on the ground, we need to do it right. And by "right" I don't mean "politically correct." If we are going to do it, then do it and right soon! No "kid gloves." Half the world agrees with the war. The other half doesn't. I don't think it will change much either way if we start taking out mosques where suspected terrorists and/or rebels are hiding. I'm sure many "innocent" Iraqis have died thus far, from both coalition forces and terrorists/rebel forces. Sorry, but that is war.
Agreed.

If the folks running this war see their chance and act on it, we may now have a window of opportunity, unexpected (by some) as it may be. Iraq appears to have attracted a sizeable number of Islamist terrorists, including some of the big fish.

I, too, was opposed to the invasion of Iraq. It was irrelevent to the pursuit of Osama and al-Queda. But ... they didn't listen to me, so we are there.

When we first went in, I was disappointed that they didn't make more of an effort to seal the perimeter of Iraq to prevent infiltration by "outside elements." Again, they didn't listen to me, and in any case they didn't send enough assets to do it.

So now the outside elements" are inside. Why don't we bring in a ?????load of combat engineers to build a Gaza-type wall around the country, pen the terrorists in, and then start at one end of the God-foresaken country and sweep right down to the other end, wiping out the scumvermin on the way? I doubt Rumsfeld would go for it, because he'd have to admit that it would require more assets than he thought would be needed ... but it seems like a golden opportunity to corral them and hit them hard,

Rules of engagement would be simple -- if it points a rifle, handgun, or RPG at any American asset, it gets destroyed. ALL weapons and ordnance encountered in the sweep get destroyed.
 
Anyone remembers that 3000 "innocent" civilians died in the towers?

Yes, I do, and none of their killers was Iraqi. Al Qaeda was created by Saudi money and Pakistani intelligence.
 
A moral person or nation strives to avoid conflict in virtually all circumstances. However, once conflict is forced upon that person or nation, he or it would be incredibly stupid not to fight to win.

Since Korea we have not fought to win. Oh, I hear someone bringing up the magnificent victory of Desert Storm, the rapid destruction of the wacked-out Taliban regime in Jihadistan and the overwhelming victory against the Iraqis on the battlefield. Well, in each of those incidents our soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines performed magnificently - I'm awed by their performance. Heck, even in Korea and Vietnam our armed forces performed very well, on those few occasions when they were allowed to fight to win. My complaint isn't with them, but with the pols who have no backbone, who won't explain adequately why we have gone to war or why we must win. To be fair, GWB has done a better job on this score than his father, and a far better job than LBJ - but he needs to remind most of the sheeple more often. The media, whores for the anti-American side of everything, only reinforce the essential spinelessness of our "leaders," thereby preventing a real victory over whatever opponent one thinks of.

I long for the day when GWB gets on TV and announces that he's ordered the military to destroy the enemy as totally and quickly as possible. By the time the media and the anti-American freaks on the Left got any hearings or big protests organized, the whole fight would be over. Yes, there would be civilian casualties - and no sane, moral person wishes for those - but this is something that happens in every conflict (though we've done a great job in reducing those to the greatest degree possible). But Bush could deflect lots of the criticism regarding that by 1) pointing out that it is better to see that over there than over here and 2) by releasing photos and videos showing the brutality of the enemy, i.e. showing "why we fight." In WW2 we had a constant education program regarding why we were at war and the nature of the enemy, and that against enemies that were clearly identifiable and clearly evil. Why has there been no such effort now against the jihadis?

Discrediting the supposed objectivity of various media outlets and reporters would also go a long way toward quieting domestic opposition.

We should fight to win, or not fight at all. By "win" I mean: endless parades of sophisticated weapons and fully-equipped soldiers and Marines through their cities, their leaders in chains behind horses in the parade, salting the Earth (well, not literally, but you get the picture), etc. - in other words, leave no doubt in ANYONE'S mind that we won and they lost, no rematches allowed.
 
These neo-con whackjobs want a Crusade, they want the Inquisition and all of a sudden they are shocked, shocked I say, at reality, at what it looks like once implemented.

Tough talking, chickenhawk neocons who promote this crap should get their noses rubbed in this dirt until they truly get their culpability. Instead we have Ted Koppel on Nightline discussing the reasonableness of degrees of coercion and torture.

This is a neocon fiasco all the way to the top, but they are trying their best to scapegoat the the people on the bottom two layers in the hopes that they, including Rumsfeld, can weasel away.
 
"Neocon fiasco?"

:D

I seriously think that some ultra leftists believe it's possible to fight a war perfectly...no mistakes.

w4...have you ever been to the middle east at all?
 
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