...and I'd like some input on how best to scratch it. I've been looking at some high-capacity options and really am at an impasse on how to proceed. I've though about an AR-10 (or .308 AR-style rifle), an FN FAL of some sort, or a PTR-91. What other options are out there? What do you all recommend?
I've got a semi-auto .308 itch...
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hydraulicman
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There is always an M1A. I like one but they are expensive
jpwilly
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M1A comes to mind. The rifles are like driving a Cadillac IMO. I like my LR-308 lots and love my M1 Garand (.308 Win re barrel) even though it's less accurate than the LR-308. It just has more "soul". I'm thinking want to add M1A to my collection!
The AR platform is easier to scope etc etc so there are lots of benefits. The FAL is an excellent battle rifle. The PTR-91 as well. If you want tack driving accuracy the LR-308 will deliver! All 308 rifles tend to be on the heavy side keep that in mind if you do lots of walking around with one.
Also, unless your rich you better reload. Consider a rifle that won't tear up your brass!
The AR platform is easier to scope etc etc so there are lots of benefits. The FAL is an excellent battle rifle. The PTR-91 as well. If you want tack driving accuracy the LR-308 will deliver! All 308 rifles tend to be on the heavy side keep that in mind if you do lots of walking around with one.
Also, unless your rich you better reload. Consider a rifle that won't tear up your brass!
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this is what you need my friend
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=111055
get a Savage BATS...hehe
http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=111055
get a Savage BATS...hehe
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W L Johnson
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Don't forget there are auto 308s that are more targeted to the hunter such as the Remington 750 and the Browning BAR. although they may not meet "high capacity"
but for High capacity I vote for the AR-10 (Armalite) and for 1/3 the cost a saiga.
but for High capacity I vote for the AR-10 (Armalite) and for 1/3 the cost a saiga.
gga357
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I vote for the POF-308 16".
FROGO207
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I have a Remington 7400 in 308 and there are 10 rnd mags available for it. Also I have heard about the option of bubba'ing a h&k mag reasonably easily.
RX-178
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Saiga is probably the best bang for the buck.
FAL and PTR-91 would be next. PTR-91 eliminates the possibility of reloading your brass, however, because of how violently it ejects, but extra G3 mags are selling for $0.99 on Cheaper than Dirt, which is about as good as it could possibly get. FAL mags are pricier (still cheap, but nowhere close to a buck a piece), but you shouldn't have any problems reloading the brass with them.
Of course, at the top of the list is the M1A. If you have the spare cash for it, it's absolutely the best all around .308 semi on the market, in my opinion.
FAL and PTR-91 would be next. PTR-91 eliminates the possibility of reloading your brass, however, because of how violently it ejects, but extra G3 mags are selling for $0.99 on Cheaper than Dirt, which is about as good as it could possibly get. FAL mags are pricier (still cheap, but nowhere close to a buck a piece), but you shouldn't have any problems reloading the brass with them.
Of course, at the top of the list is the M1A. If you have the spare cash for it, it's absolutely the best all around .308 semi on the market, in my opinion.
Frankl03
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AR10 or M1A will be more accurate than a FAL or a PTR91. Just a thought.
TurboFC3S
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I have one ... or a couple of just about every .308 semi-auto. Honestly I love them all, each has pros and cons. Fal, G3, DPMS 308, M14, Saiga ... I couldn't even begin to say which is best, I don't even have a favorite myself. They all work very well and all are nice to shoot. Just pick one that looks like what you want, and find a good deal.
I will say I've become very close with my PTR-91. If I'm going to the 600 yard range I always take it with me, I can pound the 400 yard steel all day long with iron sights standing. The best for use with optics is without a doubt the AR-10 style.
I will say I've become very close with my PTR-91. If I'm going to the 600 yard range I always take it with me, I can pound the 400 yard steel all day long with iron sights standing. The best for use with optics is without a doubt the AR-10 style.
W L Johnson
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I've heard that.
Both my Armalite AR-10s, 16" and a 20", are very easy on the brass, in fact it's hard to tell they were even fired.
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Depending on how much ammo you want to go through I say try a Saiga .308. 168 Federal Matchking ammunition is doing wonders in some Saiga's. I've now met a Saiga .308 owner in real life and he swears (just like they do on the Saiga forums) that 168 gr Matchking is the best thing that a Saiga can chew on. Even handloads apparently do not meet the performance of that cartridge.
On the other hand, I can't find 168 Matchking on the shelves at any local dealer. So you'd have to order it online, and with shipping this could get expensive. Maybe even enough to justify a M1A (a cheap one) or a FAL.
On the other hand, I can't find 168 Matchking on the shelves at any local dealer. So you'd have to order it online, and with shipping this could get expensive. Maybe even enough to justify a M1A (a cheap one) or a FAL.
RX-178
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Might have to pick up one of those for my PTR-91 then.
Although it is pretty fun to watch the brass fly out without one. It looks almost like a hummingbird flying out the side of the weapon with how fast the casing spins in the air.
Although it is pretty fun to watch the brass fly out without one. It looks almost like a hummingbird flying out the side of the weapon with how fast the casing spins in the air.
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I'd say the FAL. I love 'em, though they seem a tad on the heavy side. The infamous "they" say they'll be producing 30 round mags soon. Heard that forever now. For now it's just a 20 rounder.
i had the itch today too...
after church today, i spent the rest of the day on several hundred acres with this SR-25 in 308win. stood some steel targets up on a hill, then spent several theraputic hours walking around adjacent fields and ponds looking for challenging places to shoot from. range it... calc dope... squeeze and listen for the PINGGGGG then look for a new firing point.
was extra challenging today because i set up the targets at the western edge and most of the firing was directly towards the sun. several of the points i chose were also right over a large pond, so i had glare from the sun from above and glare coming from below off the water too. even with the honeycomb ARD, it was like looking through milk most of the day.
i only went out to 550m, but no misses today
i'd definitely vote for the AR pattern... a DPMS clone would be a good choice
(edit: sorry for the crappy cell phone pics, but hopefully they will inflame your itch...)
(edit: oh, and welcome to THR)
after church today, i spent the rest of the day on several hundred acres with this SR-25 in 308win. stood some steel targets up on a hill, then spent several theraputic hours walking around adjacent fields and ponds looking for challenging places to shoot from. range it... calc dope... squeeze and listen for the PINGGGGG then look for a new firing point.
was extra challenging today because i set up the targets at the western edge and most of the firing was directly towards the sun. several of the points i chose were also right over a large pond, so i had glare from the sun from above and glare coming from below off the water too. even with the honeycomb ARD, it was like looking through milk most of the day.
i only went out to 550m, but no misses today
i'd definitely vote for the AR pattern... a DPMS clone would be a good choice
(edit: sorry for the crappy cell phone pics, but hopefully they will inflame your itch...)
(edit: oh, and welcome to THR)
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gga357
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TALIV, very nice.
rangerruck
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Saiga, first, last , and allways. The reliability, combined with the build and accessorize as you like, plus spend as much or as little money as you like, and with the 16 inch bbl, you got a carbine lenght flame thrower, that will be
surprisingly accurate , and not just for an ak, but accurate for ANY 308 semi auto. You can get them now, more sanely priced, as in, I just saw some here in Houston; price is under 500 bucks now...
So you get the saiga, drag bag, sling, extra mags, cleaning kit, gunsock, mojo peepsites, new furniture, with trigger upgrades, and pistol grip, side rail picatinny, for your optic, your optic. Everything, EVERRRRRYYYTHHHHINNG, excluding the rounds, all for the cost, of 1 of those mentioned above. Cooool.
plus , it will shoot milsurp anything, darn, DARN GOOD! I am talking, if you put your mind to it, MOA capable, with several milsurp loads, most any of your former british empire stuff, american, canadian, S. African, and any of the old Nazi S. american stuff, like chile, venez, argentine, etc.
A bried story; while shooting it up at a range, I randomly loaded several mags, and did not notice that I was putting all diff types of rounds, in all the diff mags, all milsurp, all diff makes, paid no attention. Suddenly there was the speakers, " two minutes until the end of the session..."
I looked over at my mag pile; 100 rounds left. Outloud just to hear myself over the noise, I said
" two minutes, huh?" a couple of younger dudes laughed at me, when they heard me say it, they
were sitting on the bench behind me. I proceeded to empty all 100 rounds, in the last 2 minutes.
I was shooting open sites, at the 3 inch circle shoot n see targets, 100 yds, sandbag rests only.
Speaker guy clears the line, and i go down range, the other 2 dudes go as well, to look at their
targets. only 4 holes outside the shoot n see; that means 96 hits in 2 minutes, with open sites.
The 2 dudes mouths were drooling and catching flies at the same time..." Whoooaaaa" is all they could say. I admit, I was very happy as well, just tried to look all calm about it though.
when we got back up top, all they wanted to know, was about the rifle....
surprisingly accurate , and not just for an ak, but accurate for ANY 308 semi auto. You can get them now, more sanely priced, as in, I just saw some here in Houston; price is under 500 bucks now...
So you get the saiga, drag bag, sling, extra mags, cleaning kit, gunsock, mojo peepsites, new furniture, with trigger upgrades, and pistol grip, side rail picatinny, for your optic, your optic. Everything, EVERRRRRYYYTHHHHINNG, excluding the rounds, all for the cost, of 1 of those mentioned above. Cooool.
plus , it will shoot milsurp anything, darn, DARN GOOD! I am talking, if you put your mind to it, MOA capable, with several milsurp loads, most any of your former british empire stuff, american, canadian, S. African, and any of the old Nazi S. american stuff, like chile, venez, argentine, etc.
A bried story; while shooting it up at a range, I randomly loaded several mags, and did not notice that I was putting all diff types of rounds, in all the diff mags, all milsurp, all diff makes, paid no attention. Suddenly there was the speakers, " two minutes until the end of the session..."
I looked over at my mag pile; 100 rounds left. Outloud just to hear myself over the noise, I said
" two minutes, huh?" a couple of younger dudes laughed at me, when they heard me say it, they
were sitting on the bench behind me. I proceeded to empty all 100 rounds, in the last 2 minutes.
I was shooting open sites, at the 3 inch circle shoot n see targets, 100 yds, sandbag rests only.
Speaker guy clears the line, and i go down range, the other 2 dudes go as well, to look at their
targets. only 4 holes outside the shoot n see; that means 96 hits in 2 minutes, with open sites.
The 2 dudes mouths were drooling and catching flies at the same time..." Whoooaaaa" is all they could say. I admit, I was very happy as well, just tried to look all calm about it though.
when we got back up top, all they wanted to know, was about the rifle....
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Thanks for the suggestions! I had not really considered M1A/M14 style rifles since I already have a M1 Garand, but I might have to add them to the fray.
What's the story behind that Mk14 Mod 0? I couldn't really find much in the way of pricing. I'm guessing it'll be more than I care to spend (ie: over $2000), but it looks really interesting.
What's the story behind that Mk14 Mod 0? I couldn't really find much in the way of pricing. I'm guessing it'll be more than I care to spend (ie: over $2000), but it looks really interesting.
The History and Development of the SAGE Enhanced Battle Rifle (EBR) chassis stock system
The civilian version of the MK14 Mod 0 is basically a Springfield Bush or Scout rifle bolted into a SAGE M14ALCS Designated
Marksman, M14, EBR Tactical Aluminum Chassis Stock with telescoping butt stock, adjustable cheek rest and butt pad.
Another option is the civilian version of the MK14 Mod 1.
This configuration is about 2.5 lbs. lighter than the Mod 0 and it's basically a Springfield Bush or Scout rifle bolted
into a M14ALCS/CV CQB M14, EBR Tactical Aluminum Chassis Stock with M4/M16 style receiver extension tube.
I listed the Springfield Bush and Scout rifles, but there are other builders (LRB & SEI) that build barreled actions with 18.5" & 18.0" barrels.
Both standard profile and medium heavy profile barrels are available. DC Vortex and GLFS are available to replace the USGI flash hider.
A $2000.00 MK14 MOD 0 is possible if you purchase a used Scout/Bush and a used SAGE M14ALCS EBR stock...
If you prefer the standard 22.0" barrel you may want to consider building a copy of the TACOM M14 EBR RI.
Additional information is available on the M14HDW forum
Good luck!
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