Ignition Override
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Wolfsburg:
Have you read information at "Warrifles"?
Those guys are really earnest about their preferences.
Have you read information at "Warrifles"?
Those guys are really earnest about their preferences.
I've got a semi-auto .308 itch...
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cluttonfred
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The Remington 750 Wingmaster can be had in an 18 1/2 inch barrel carbine model with walnut or synthetic stock. Accuracy and reliability are supposed to be much improved over the older Remington autos and I think the aftermarket 10-round magazines for the older models will fit the 750 as well. There is something to be said for a perfectly serviceable rifle that doesn't look like a "black rifle" but can still get the job done no matter what that job might be.
In the place of mojo peeps and a side rail I would simply get a beryl rail with a peep. I think this rail is preferable to a side mount. The texas weapon system rail cost the same as the peeps + side rail. I have read at least one report of the mojo peeps having and issue on the .308.
I do agree however that the saiga 308 is a very solid MBR.
To answer your question, I will need more years to save up and purchase more of the rifles of the type to compare, contrast, and provide a good opinion.
As of now, though, I've gotten off to somewhat of a start with the .308 itch--so I can opine--and I wanted something versatile, so I could hunt with it, but still expect reliability. I went with Armalite.
It's chewed through 125 grain double tap, 147 grain 7.62 military, 150 grain fusion, 150 grain b-tip, 180 grain soft points, 150 grain soft points, without a problem. It doesn't get as dirty as my ar-15 inside either shooting, but that's probably from less rounds. The recoil is a lot less that I though it would be for a .308.
It is heavier than the ar15, but well balanced (center of balance for this rifle the way the scope is mounted is near the center of the mag well).
I'm sure whatever you do, the platform will provide a certain level of excitement in its own right, but the caliber you're choosing also provides opportunities and smiles of its own making.
gga357 said:
+1 but with a 20" barrel. That's what I bought on Tuesday ... a POF 20" SPR ... what a beauty!! It looks monstrous with that full-length MRR.
As good as FALs and M1As are, the AR-10 platform lends itself to just about anything you could want to put on it or inside it. Within minutes of getting the POF home, I installed a Mark 4 scope in a LaRue mount, a LaRue QD bipod mount and swapped out the standard latch on the charging handle for a PRI combat latch. MOA accuracy out to 500 yards + is attainable with an AR but may be a lot harder to achieve with an M1A or FAL.
That bloody M1A Scout that I ordered back in November of last year is nowhere to be seen yet ...
... maybe sometime before the end of the year if I'm lucky!
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I don't understand the constant reference to the cost of magazines when choosing a rifle. I couldn't give a rats a$$ if the magazines cost $1, $5 or $50 .... in fact, magazine cost doesn't even figure into the decision process for me. I'm concerned about accuracy and reliability, and as long as magazines are available then it's all good. When I picked up the POF, the gun shop owner gave me one Panther 19 round mag for free, the POF came with one C Products mag and I bought two more Panther mags for $45 each ... that's almost 80 rounds of .308 at my disposal. That'll be it for me until MAGPUL brings out a PMAG in .308.
POF in .308 would be my choice. It is amazing and the best of all worlds imho. After that is a DSA FAL and then an M1A. Then DPMS or AR10. And last the PTR-91. The FNAR sounds good, but I need hands on before I say anything either way, it may be great, i just dont know. If you want a deal, dpms sporticals are now about $900.
FlyinBryan
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accuracy would be paramount if i were choosing a 308 semi, so it would have to be an ar or an m1a type.
well, if you used your guns more it would
i've been traveling in cali for work most of the year, barely getting to shoot at all. haven't broken any mags in 6 months. previous 12 mo, i shot a lot and had at least 5 mags fail that i can think of. i'm glad they were $9 D&H and $11 PMAGs, instead of $117 KAC mags
FlyinBryan
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your killing me h!!!!!!!!!!!!
seriously, it just doesnt get more awesome than that.
m1a.
any mission
any foe
any range
god, please let me have one someday, please.
seriously, it just doesnt get more awesome than that.
m1a.
any mission
any foe
any range
god, please let me have one someday, please.
No wonder KAC doesn't list any magazines on their web site ... none that I could find anyway.twkremer
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I think my vote would be either an M1a or a FAL. I just love M1s though. So classic...
fail == crack, welds on spine let go, feed lips spread or otherwise just cease functioning
uhh, around that. they list for a good bit more than that. here's some for $119 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=120&t=604177
uhh, around that. they list for a good bit more than that. here's some for $119 http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=120&t=604177
You're recommending a rifle as the best there is, and yet you apparently don't own one?
M14/M1A is indeed a fine rifle, though not my own favorite.
Yes indeed. 80 rounds is more than enough for any conceivable need.
Some folks seem to feel the need for sufficient magazines and ammunition to single-handedly fight WWIII. They are entitled to their opinions, but such 'zombie' scenarios seem implausible to me.
If you stop buying cheap equipment, you shouldn't have any problems.
FWIW, I have never experienced or witnessed any problems with issue 'inch-pattern' FAL magazines. Ever.
federalfarmer
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I have the same itch! And those M1A's are speaking to me....deeply....its a little scarey. 
Hmmm what to sell? How come we know what to buy, but not what to sell?!
Good luck with the search.
Hmmm what to sell? How come we know what to buy, but not what to sell?!
Good luck with the search.
HardShell
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Love my semi-auto .308s and have scratched that very itch you have many times over the years.
I currently have a DPMS .308 AP4, a SOCOM-16, a G3 clone and a CETME, an old FAL, and even one of the .308-rechambered French MAS 49/56 rifleso).
My favorite of the bunch is my DPMS, hands down -- but YMMV greatly because ARs, in general, are my very favorite rifles. I have them in a very wide variety of calibers and configurations.
Were it not for the AR-platform having an unfair advantage in my preferences, the SOCOM might just get the nod -- it is a nifty, well-made little rifle and one most of my friends ask me to bring along on a range trip.
Best of luck making a decision on just how to "scratch."
I currently have a DPMS .308 AP4, a SOCOM-16, a G3 clone and a CETME, an old FAL, and even one of the .308-rechambered French MAS 49/56 rifles
o).My favorite of the bunch is my DPMS, hands down -- but YMMV greatly because ARs, in general, are my very favorite rifles. I have them in a very wide variety of calibers and configurations.
Were it not for the AR-platform having an unfair advantage in my preferences, the SOCOM might just get the nod -- it is a nifty, well-made little rifle and one most of my friends ask me to bring along on a range trip.
Best of luck making a decision on just how to "scratch."
taliv said:
.308 magazines are steel so the spot welds aren't ever going to "let go" ... and if they did, I'd fix them myself. Also, are you dropping your .308 KAC magazines from 5' onto concrete ... I doubt it? Based on my experience with steel AI magazines, the feed lips won't spread either but if they do, I'll bend them back. So in reality, we're talking about .223 magazines right? Magazine followers and spring kits are readily available as are USGI magazine bodies.
How many rounds do you shoot in a typical carbine class? How much does the class cost? How much do those rounds cost you? Now let's assume that one magazine is irreparably damaged during every class ... what percentage of the total cost of the class + ammunition does the magazine account for?
Like I said, magazine cost is STILL a non-issue for me.
Most (though certainly not all) of my experience with the FN-FAL was acquired in the military. I certainly can't tell you how many specific rounds of ammunition I have fired, or individual magazines I have used ... "lots" is the best I can say (anyone who claims they can recall such specifics is being economical with the truth ... let's get real).
I can say that most, probably all, of the magazines we were issued were old and 'well-used'; but I never experienced, witnessed or even heard about a failure. No doubt such things happened, but once in a blue moon.
I almost never shoot from a bench, BTW (not sure what difference that makes to magazine durability, but since you mentioned it).
I don't consider the FN to be the 'perfect' battle rifle, or even necessarily the 'best'. That's not the issue. I'm just calling BS on the suggestion that a large number of mags are essential because "failures" are frequent.
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