Knock at my door 45 minutes ago

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Wow, this was an exciting evening! I was watching a movie at my house with my girlfriend, when at about 12:30 am the doorbell goes off. We live in the country, so this is not a normal occurence. I told my girlfriend to get her 642 out of her purse and have her cell handy and went to answer the door. I was in condition red because i really couldn't really see who was outside. I put my hand on my xd40sc which i carry iwb around the house and opened the door slowly, positioning myself in such a way that I still had leverage on the door. Upon opening it, i saw a LEO standing down on the stoop. I took my hand off of my gun and asked what i could do for him. Apparently my girlfriend's car alarm had went off. The conversation went as follows after we ascertained that she must have somehow accidently hit the panic while in the house: (Note: I am 3 months away from being 21, and my girlfriend is already a full US citizen)

Me: I really appreciate you stopping to check this out. I just want to inform you that I am armed.
LEO: Ok, do you have a permit?
Me: No sir, I do not.
Leo: You should get a permit.
Me: I intend to, but I am on my fixed place of abode. This isn't a problem I hope?(spoken sincerely, no attitude)
Leo: No, no you should just get a permit
Me: Thanks sir, I intend to. What's your name?
LEO: Colluci.
Me: (Shaking his hand) I'm Kyle. Well once again, I appreciate you stopping by. I'll see you later.
LEO 2 who I didn't see: hopefully not, it's cold!

While he wasn't overly friendly, overall I am pleased with what happened. I was calm while approaching the door, and I know that I was prepared to act if necessary, but I had a bit of the shakes afterward and I don't know why. I just wanted to share this with you guys while it is still fresh in my mind.
 
You prepared your self physically and mentally for using your firearm. If that doesn't give you the after shakes.... I'd go talk to a psychiatrist. That preparation comes with the realization that you are going to kill another human if need be. That's one way to get a huge adrenalin rush/dump
 
It's happened to me as well after every close call I have had. It's just your natural reaction to feeling the 'wave' of danger. If you would have looked in a mirror you would have also noticed your pupils were slightly dilated and your stature changed slightly as well, especially if this was the first time you have been in a situation like that. The shaky feeling you get afterwards is, as described previously, the adrenaline and energy dump. Don't worry, this will ALWAYS happen and I don't care who you are or how many times you have been in combat. I, personally, have not met or seen anyone who isn't at least a little shaken after a deadly force encounter.

Damian
 
My Fixed Place of Abode.....

You actually referred to your home this way? I don't know for sure, but my BS meter is rising on this one.
 
You handled it well, but out of curiosity, why did you inform the officer you were armed?

It must have been a pretty loud movie to not hear her car alarm going off, that also means you didn't hear your visitors until they were at your door. Not a problem this time but it certainly isn't ideal. I also live outside city limits and I would recommend a driveway alarm and a dog. Nothing comes anywhere near my house without me knowing about it.
 
I agree with lions; why did you volunteer that you were armed to the officer? It's none of his business.


Furthermore, Pennsylvania does not issue permits, only a License To Carry Firearms (LTCF), which you don't need to open carry outside of Philadelphia (on foot) anyway.
 
#1: you are under no obligation to infor LEO if you're armed, unless you're being detained and questioned.

#2: in PA, it's not a permit, it's an LTCF. they are only required to carry a concealed firearm, not an openly carried one, except in Philthadelphia, where one is required to carry openly or concealed. also, an LTCF is required to transport a firearm on your person in/on a motor vehicle. since you're not 21, you can still carry openly, and carry concealed on your property. you just can't operate a vehicle (cars, motorcycles, buses, etc) while armed.
 
I think english may not be his birth language.
"my girlfriend is already a full US citizen" hints that maybe he's a transplant.


Good work all the way around.

Out of curiosity, did you ask who was on the other side before you opened the door?
 
Why did you even open the door not knowing who it is? I'd use the peephole. Or if no peephole, ask who through the door. Also consider getting one of those locks that's a chain that lets you open the door like 2" to peek out.
 
No no lol both of us were born in the good ol' USA, that was an attempt, albeit a poor one, at a joke about her being 21 and a "full US citizen" as opposed to myself, 20.
The gun was in fact concealed. PA law states that one cannot concealed carry a gun except in fixed place of abode. That's the letter of the law so I spoke it as such. I'm not sure why I felt the need to notify him at the time, and quite frankly still don't know.
The person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person,[ except in his place of abode or fixed place of business/B], without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree
This is from the PA section of handgunlaw.us
I do understand that PA calls it a License to Carry Firearms, but I have never heard it referred to as such by any person outside of this forum
 
He shook your hand? Seems like a bad tactical decision on his part. :scrutiny:

Once you get control of someone's hand you can do all kinds of mean things to them.
 
ZeBool said:
No no lol both of us were born in the good ol' USA, that was an attempt, albeit a poor one, at a joke about her being 21 and a "full US citizen" as opposed to myself, 20.
The gun was in fact concealed. PA law states that one cannot concealed carry a gun except in fixed place of abode. That's the letter of the law so I spoke it as such. I'm not sure why I felt the need to notify him at the time, and quite frankly still don't know.
The person who is otherwise eligible to possess a valid license under this chapter carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person,[ except in his place of abode or fixed place of business/B], without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree
This is from the PA section of handgunlaw.us
I do understand that PA calls it a License to Carry Firearms, but I have never heard it referred to as such by any person outside of this forum
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LOL, okay then. :)


Two suggestions then since you ain't no foreigner!

1 - Ask "Who is it?" before you open your door if you don't already have a peephole.

2 - ditch the spock language and speak like a normal joe :) lol @ fixed place of abode...he should have kicked ya in the shins just for talking like a Trekkie ;)
 
I offered my hand to him. Perhaps you live in a city, but in the country if someone offers you a handshake, you take it.
 
If you don't have a peephole, have one installed.

Or do it yourself. It's pretty easy.

Why did you even open the door not knowing who it is? I'd use the peephole.
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I don't open my door to ANYone, unless I know them, and at that late an hour, I believe I'd have to ask THEM why they were there at that time.
 
So far, the problem that I have found was opening the door. You are right, a peephole or a chain needs to be installed
 
ZeBool,

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Boy, we sure have alot of comments here. I felt that ZeBool did well. Firstly, he was aware of the danger of opening his door at such late an hour and was prepared for it. Good job! He was also courteous in advising the LEO that he was armed - though it may not have been entirely safe. He was also very appreciative and polite with the LEO by shaking his hand for doing their job. If that was an unkown person, then it definitely would have been a "bad tactical position on his part".

Good job, dude!
 
LOL Sweet Knucles yeah I was born and raised in PA as were my parents and grandparents. I don't know why I used the language I did when addressing him. I think I just wanted him to know that I am aware of the laws regarding carry in PA, and wasn't about to be buffaloed. You're right though lol I can only imagine how interesting it must have been to have been on the receiving end of that
 
A chain will stop Granny from trying to sneak in to catch you sexing your lady...it won't stop anyone motivated to do you harm.

But since you went to the door in condition Red, I assumed it would be natural to call out 'Who is it!' as you approached the door.

For the record, I think you did fine and do appreciate your story.


p.s. it is quite chilly in my fixed place of abode at this time. I believe I will ignite the heat making device in t-minus 5, 4, 3, 2, 1

:)
 
Is it just me or can anyone else see saddle sores appearing on my back ??? :neener:. Really though thanks for the input gentlemen
 
The disturbing part? You didn't see LEO #2. Was he hidden around a corner? Behind bush? Standing in a shadow/dark spot? Be on the alert. BGs do that too.

Woody
 
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