Laugo Arms Alien Pistol

[bc1023]

Is it safe to assume you mean that STI represents s better value?

I’m probably not the one to ask, because I don’t think much of STI.

They aren’t bad guns, but I think they’re overpriced for what you get. They don’t do much for me.

I don’t think they are a good value in of themselves, so I’m certainly not going to assume they’re a better value than a gun I never even saw in person.

 

[Coal Dragger]

Watched the video again.

I want to like this pistol because it’s different, however I’m seeing some issues with it that are inherent to the design that could pose problems.

For starters at the end of the video the shooter has a hard time showing clear, and has to shake the pistol vigorously to expel a live round out of the pistol. That’s a deal breaker for anything other than a range toy. That top portion of the pistol that contains the hammer, and sear as well as the sights inconveniently blocks access to the breech/chamber area when the slide is worked. If you have a malfunction to clear it will be burried deeper in the frame towards the grip and you can’t easily see or access it with your fingers. Good luck doing so in a hurry or in the dark.

The fact you have to operate the slide from the sides is also a bit concerning, again addressing a malfunction sometimes requires a firm grasp on the slide, this will be more difficult trying to pinch at it from either side of the slide.

I realize the video is an early example but why did it have difficulty extracting and ejecting a live round? One would think that in a semiautomatic firearm the first order of business would be to ensure that the system will both feed, extract and eject to include dud ammunition. So if you get a failure to fire, and need to get that dud round out you may have more difficulty doing so.

Because of those issues I don’t see this as a viable service pistol (ignoring cost issues or lack of support).

As a match gun the very high cost, and lack of support will make it very tough to gain acceptance in the gun games market. An STI 2011 for example may not be sexy, but they make bullets go where wanted quickly, they usually run correctly, and there’s a ton of parts and dudes that work on them.

Subjectively the pistol in the video didn’t appear to be anything spectacular in the cosmetics department or fit and finish department either.

The marketing strategy seems to be different for the sake of being different, and that doesn’t mean it’s any good.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I’m probably not the one to ask, because I don’t think much of STI.

They aren’t bad guns, but I think they’re overpriced for what you get. They don’t do much for me.

I don’t think they are a good value in of themselves, so I’m certainly not going to assume they’re a better value than a gun I never even saw in person.

Well I asked Sequins because I wanted him to clarify. I believe his comment was more geared towards the value rather than quality. I agree that making comments about quality before anyone has put hands on the product is silly and not a justifiable stance to take at this point.

When I mentioned keeping perspective I was referring to the perceived value and the fact that all people will assign it differently. Many will see this as a low value gun based purely on the cost, regardless of quality or capability. The fact that you own an FK BRNO and are now interested in this gun shows you have much greater financial means than many of us, and therefore your perception of value is much different.

I think we agree more than disagree.

 

[tarosean]

I still think there will be some competition shooters that will buy them,

Seems like a gun without a class. It's not a IPSC/USPSA production gun because of its hammer fired SAO. Down on power factor and capacity to compete in Open/Limited/Standard. Etc.

Course this 5k price tag is for a limited edition set (500) that includes, rails, optic, bag, holster, extra mag. Etc.

So the price may be lower on the regular guns?

 

[czhen]

Price doesn't matter it will be target to a specific niche. Blow back in 9 mm / 380 ok it will hold it when spring are fresh. But, 40 SW, 357 SIG or 10 mm the springs will have the size of elevator to hold the pressure. Lastly with no intent of negativity because new ideas bring innovations how do replace the barrel when is worn out.
PD.: Too many flying pieces if a round is overcharged, beluga effect close to my web/face.

 

[Coal Dragger]

It’s gas delayed blowback like an HK P7. The springs will be fine.

 

[tarosean]

When I mentioned keeping perspective I was referring to the perceived value and the fact that all people will assign it differently. Many will see this as a low value gun based purely on the cost, regardless of quality or capability. The fact that you own an FK BRNO and are now interested in this gun shows you have much greater financial means than many of us, and therefore your perception of value is much different.

We are not talking about Million dollar Peter Hofer's or even something like below. That are truly out of reach of 99% of the population.
Almost anyone who views quality over quantity could save for it over years. Yet most will run out and buy 5+ mediocre guns and complain its out of reach of the average man/woman.

 

[dave333]

What I wonder about the alien pistol is how it would shoot in real life. From the videos Ive seen of it being shot online, and watching videos of me shooting my SIG 320X5, it has more muzzle rise than mine does. I thought the biggest point of the gun was to shoot pancake flat with the lower bore and gas operating system.

I also agree with the posts about it being a gun in search of a class to shoot in. Im sure people will buy some but unless the price comes way down I don't see it showing up at any local matches. Innovation is great, I hope they sell a bunch of them, don't see me being one of the early adopters though.

 

[bc1023]

Well I asked Sequins because I wanted him to clarify. I believe his comment was more geared towards the value rather than quality. I agree that making comments about quality before anyone has put hands on the product is silly and not a justifiable stance to take at this point.

When I mentioned keeping perspective I was referring to the perceived value and the fact that all people will assign it differently. Many will see this as a low value gun based purely on the cost, regardless of quality or capability. The fact that you own an FK BRNO and are now interested in this gun shows you have much greater financial means than many of us, and therefore your perception of value is much different.

I think we agree more than disagree.

No I hear you. You make perfect sense.

Sorry, didn’t mean to jump in. I just realized you asked the other member.

 

[bc1023]

From the videos Ive seen of it being shot online, and watching videos of me shooting my SIG 320X5, it has more muzzle rise than mine does.

Interesting. I'm not seeing that at all.

I find all the P320 pistols to be ridiculously high from a bore axis standpoint. The X-five version allows a slightly higher grip, but its certainly nothing like the Alien pistol or like some other polymer pistols with a low bore axis, such as the Steyr, Glock, or Archon.

 

[dave333]

Interesting. I'm not seeing that at all.

In the video in the first post of this thread the gun is jumping all around in the hands of the first shooter. Granted, its a girl shooting and maybe she doesn't have a good grip or enough grip strength to keep it under control, but the guy running the course at the end of the video isn't keeping it dead flat either. But one would think if this is really some kind of revolutionary design, the girl shooting it would be able to keep it much flatter even with less than perfect technique.

 

[bc1023]

In the video in the first post of this thread the gun is jumping all around in the hands of the first shooter. Granted, its a girl shooting and maybe she doesn't have a good grip or enough grip strength to keep it under control, but the guy running the course at the end of the video isn't keeping it dead flat either. But one would think if this is really some kind of revolutionary design, the girl shooting it would be able to keep it much flatter even with less than perfect technique.

The laws of physics don’t lie. It’s a heavy, all steel pistol with a bore axis right at the height of your hands.

There is no way in hell a plastic Sig with a high bore axis, like a P320, is going to have less muzzle rise when both are shot by the same people. The whole premise is ridiculous.

In fact, I have a couple real Sig X Fives from the German Mastershop and even those with their 45+ oz weights have more muzzle rise than does the Alien.