sigstroker
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H&K USP. Trigger sucks, too plasticky.
H&K P7. Squeeze cocker thing too weird. Have to think about it too much.
H&K P7. Squeeze cocker thing too weird. Have to think about it too much.
List the guns you have owned that did not live up to their reps.
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You guys have bad luck. Except for the Glocks, Bersas, and Ravens, I've owned most of the guns listed with no problems.
Keltec P32
Keltec P3AT-over five hundred rounds without any malfunction.
1911's work out of the box for me, expensive, low end, doesn't matter.
Uzi-I can't count that high.
M1A fine.
I just bought a Glock 20 that has FTF every couple of magazines.
Keltec P32
Keltec P3AT-over five hundred rounds without any malfunction.
1911's work out of the box for me, expensive, low end, doesn't matter.
Uzi-I can't count that high.
M1A fine.
I just bought a Glock 20 that has FTF every couple of magazines.
HankB
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Colt Mk IV Series 70 Government Model. Look up "Jammamatic" in the dictionary and you ought to see a picture of this junker. Purchased new, it went back to Colt's under warranty repeatedly, and each time it came back it was STILL a jammamatic. Lousy so-and-sos kept it for months each time, and did NOTHING. Colt's factory NON-service soured me on Colt more than the actual pistol, and I vowed I'd never buy another . . . and I haven't.
Kahr P9 - should have been called POS-9. Long, LONG litany of problems. Kahr tried - and failed! - to make it right repeatedly, eventually replacing the pistol. I traded the replacement for a G26, which isn't as neat a package, but it actually WORKS.
Kahr P9 - should have been called POS-9. Long, LONG litany of problems. Kahr tried - and failed! - to make it right repeatedly, eventually replacing the pistol. I traded the replacement for a G26, which isn't as neat a package, but it actually WORKS.
joab
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Only a LLama, that I didn't own just borrowed for awhile, and a Taurus.
And my Norincos if you go by their rep 20 years ago
Both turned out to be perfectly acceptable firearms despite the condemnation of others
The RG, Raven, and Jennings performed exactly as they were expected to.
I tend to be much more selective these days
And my Norincos if you go by their rep 20 years ago
Both turned out to be perfectly acceptable firearms despite the condemnation of others
The RG, Raven, and Jennings performed exactly as they were expected to.
I tend to be much more selective these days
During my first trip to the range with my brand new Glock 36, it broke apart in my hands as it fired its 88th round. The recoil spring assembly broke apart causing the slide to lock up and damaging the plastic frame. Glock sent me a free replacement recoil spring, but I could never trust it again.
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1. Bushmaster 11.5" barreled entry gun. 3 rnd burst and all. Not all that fun or practical.
2. Kimber Ultra Carry CDP - Jammamatic. All the Kimbers I have had have been disappointing.
3. HK P7M8 - Nice looking, accurate but damn did it heat up. Before I could shoot 50 rounds I needed to put it down.
I know there are more they just don't come to mind right now.
2. Kimber Ultra Carry CDP - Jammamatic. All the Kimbers I have had have been disappointing.
3. HK P7M8 - Nice looking, accurate but damn did it heat up. Before I could shoot 50 rounds I needed to put it down.
I know there are more they just don't come to mind right now.
Sharps Shooter
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Recently, a Walther PPK .32 ACP - jammed in every conceivable fashion and the rear sight fell off.
Years ago it was a Dan Wesson .357 Magnum. It sprayed burning powder back in my face and onto my hands and wrists with every shot. I shipped it back to Dan Wesson and it was 3 months before they got it back to me - same problem! After trying a number of different barrel/cylinder gaps, I shipped it back to Dan Wesson again, along with a nasty letter. Less than a week later some factory rep from Dan Wesson called, assuring me they would solve the problem and it wouldn't take three months. Well, three months later the gun came back. And still, to shoot it without gauntlet gloves and a full face shield was just plane dangerous. I then asked a local gunsmith about it and he told me he could fix it by changing the shape of the forcing cone. I concidered having him do that, but in the end, I just sold the gun at a heck of a loss and gave the name of the gunsmith who said he could fix it to the guy who bought it. I swore off Dan Wessons, but now that they're owned by CZ, I'm kind of looking at one of their 1911s.
Years ago it was a Dan Wesson .357 Magnum. It sprayed burning powder back in my face and onto my hands and wrists with every shot. I shipped it back to Dan Wesson and it was 3 months before they got it back to me - same problem! After trying a number of different barrel/cylinder gaps, I shipped it back to Dan Wesson again, along with a nasty letter. Less than a week later some factory rep from Dan Wesson called, assuring me they would solve the problem and it wouldn't take three months. Well, three months later the gun came back. And still, to shoot it without gauntlet gloves and a full face shield was just plane dangerous. I then asked a local gunsmith about it and he told me he could fix it by changing the shape of the forcing cone. I concidered having him do that, but in the end, I just sold the gun at a heck of a loss and gave the name of the gunsmith who said he could fix it to the guy who bought it. I swore off Dan Wessons, but now that they're owned by CZ, I'm kind of looking at one of their 1911s.
turbonatr
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HK USPf 45.
Snappy recoil compared to other polymer-frame pistols (bore axis).
Often called "match accurate", but is less so than my G21.
Full-capacity mags are a bit expensive, (come on, guys...the AWB is over!).
Single action trigger was OK (though the reset was a bit long for my taste), but in DA mode it was needlessly heavy.
In a World of Compromise, Some People Pay WAY Too Much for a Polymer Pistol.
Traded it for a "series 1" Kimber Classic Stainless in .45acp and never looked back.
Snappy recoil compared to other polymer-frame pistols (bore axis).
Often called "match accurate", but is less so than my G21.
Full-capacity mags are a bit expensive, (come on, guys...the AWB is over!).
Single action trigger was OK (though the reset was a bit long for my taste), but in DA mode it was needlessly heavy.
In a World of Compromise, Some People Pay WAY Too Much for a Polymer Pistol.
Traded it for a "series 1" Kimber Classic Stainless in .45acp and never looked back.
Kimber Custom Match Target - Didn't like to lock back on last round and would often fling the last empty in a mag back at your head.
S&W M-28 - It was out of time so I sent it took it back to the store. It also had problems with extracting empties. They sent it back to S&W. When it came back it failed to fire on 15 of the 18 rounds that I tried in it. On the last round the trigger stayed stuck back and it misfired. Hammer down on an already dimpled primer and I couldn't unload it. I had to fire it by pulling the hammer back and releasing it into the primer. It went away.
Springfield Mil-Spec - WTH is it with me and 1911's? Out of the box it did run OK but it shot about 18" low and about 6" to the side at 25 yards. After alot of filing and tapping sights I got it to hit POA and then sold it. I had grown to hate it by then.
Kel-Tec P-32 - Neat little chromed gun with OD frame - repeatedly failed to eject and Kel-tec couldn't fix it. They did refund my money with no complaints though. I have seen these things run OK when other poeple own them so I would probably try one again, MAYBE.
It is true that some of these could have been fixed by the factory without too much trouble but I usually don't give them that chance. When I buy I gun I buy it so I can own it. If I have to send it back to the factory, I don't have it. It isn't sitting at my home defending me, it isn't in the woods being carried by me, and it isn't at the range being shot by me. It is at the factory getting fixed by them. Following that logic, if I want SOMEONE ELSE to have the gun, I could just as easily leave it in the display case at the store. A gun should work right when I get it, end of story. If they can't take a few minutes at the factory to make sure that things are going to work the way they should, then I am not going to risk my money and my time on one of their substandard, experimental firearms.
OK, I'll shut up now.
S&W M-28 - It was out of time so I sent it took it back to the store. It also had problems with extracting empties. They sent it back to S&W. When it came back it failed to fire on 15 of the 18 rounds that I tried in it. On the last round the trigger stayed stuck back and it misfired. Hammer down on an already dimpled primer and I couldn't unload it. I had to fire it by pulling the hammer back and releasing it into the primer. It went away.
Springfield Mil-Spec - WTH is it with me and 1911's? Out of the box it did run OK but it shot about 18" low and about 6" to the side at 25 yards. After alot of filing and tapping sights I got it to hit POA and then sold it. I had grown to hate it by then.
Kel-Tec P-32 - Neat little chromed gun with OD frame - repeatedly failed to eject and Kel-tec couldn't fix it. They did refund my money with no complaints though. I have seen these things run OK when other poeple own them so I would probably try one again, MAYBE.
It is true that some of these could have been fixed by the factory without too much trouble but I usually don't give them that chance. When I buy I gun I buy it so I can own it. If I have to send it back to the factory, I don't have it. It isn't sitting at my home defending me, it isn't in the woods being carried by me, and it isn't at the range being shot by me. It is at the factory getting fixed by them. Following that logic, if I want SOMEONE ELSE to have the gun, I could just as easily leave it in the display case at the store. A gun should work right when I get it, end of story. If they can't take a few minutes at the factory to make sure that things are going to work the way they should, then I am not going to risk my money and my time on one of their substandard, experimental firearms.
OK, I'll shut up now.
"Springfield Mil-Spec - WTH is it with me and 1911's? ....... I had grown to hate it by then."
I've been called a 1911 jinx. Some guys are saying they don't want me to shoot their guns now, because of the last one I shot that belonged to someone else, and had worked perfectly before I shot it. It failed for me, then failed for the owner repeatedly. I have grown to hate them too. Maybe not hate, but I hate owning any gun I don't feel I can trust, and I think every one I've owned has failed at some point
I've been called a 1911 jinx. Some guys are saying they don't want me to shoot their guns now, because of the last one I shot that belonged to someone else, and had worked perfectly before I shot it. It failed for me, then failed for the owner repeatedly. I have grown to hate them too. Maybe not hate, but I hate owning any gun I don't feel I can trust, and I think every one I've owned has failed at some point
gunfighter45
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Bren Ten I was a young deputy and plopped down my hard earned bucks for a pistol that wouldn't feed reliably. Luckily, the dealer took pity on me and refunded my money.
fallingblock
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A chance to gripe about disappointing guns?
Digging through the dusty cerebral archives.....
All purchased new:
Beretta 1951 - cheap plastic grips shot loose in one magazine, locking block peened, poor ergonomics.
Browning High Power - awful trigger pull from new, bulky grip. Just wasn't a 'good' gun for me.
Colt Combat Commander - very poor QC, plunger tube dropped off after two boxes of ammo. Stovepipes on everything but hardball.
Star FM .22 - worst rimfire handgun in my experience. Persistent FTF's
S&W 13 - shot out of time after less than 500 factory rounds, developing excessive end-shake and very erratic functioning. A (sort of) rare 'dud' S&W.
Glock 30 - big disappointment after my 17 & 19.
FTF's, FTE's = all-round crappy pistol. Went back to Austria, where it was determined that 'magazines were faulty'. They were repalced and gun was traded for:
S&W 625 - my all-time worst wheelgun experience. Two chambers consistently failed to fire, even after trip back to distributor. Cylinder failed to carry-up in slow fire. Rear sight windage adj. broke.
Just another (sort of) rare 'dud' S&W.
Ruger New Bearcat - arrived with sear tip broken, but that was likely due to mishandling along the way. Far worse was the shallow and uneven rifling in the muzzle-end 1" of barrel and the .018" barrel/cylinder gap.
I suppose I've been lucky, considering the number of handguns I've owned.
Those last three were somewhat attributable to the "sight unseen" handgun buying for rural and regional Australians. Due to strict controls on handguns and a lack of dealer display stock (ten new hanguns only are allowed for dealer stock ) some dealers tend to send the unsaleable duds off in the hope that the buyer will elect to fix them rather than go through the hassle and expense of sending them back. Warranty work in Australia seems dependent on the mood of the importer on any given day - and they aren't happy people 
Digging through the dusty cerebral archives.....
All purchased new:
Beretta 1951 - cheap plastic grips shot loose in one magazine, locking block peened, poor ergonomics.
Browning High Power - awful trigger pull from new, bulky grip. Just wasn't a 'good' gun for me.
Colt Combat Commander - very poor QC, plunger tube dropped off after two boxes of ammo. Stovepipes on everything but hardball.
Star FM .22 - worst rimfire handgun in my experience. Persistent FTF's
S&W 13 - shot out of time after less than 500 factory rounds, developing excessive end-shake and very erratic functioning. A (sort of) rare 'dud' S&W.
Glock 30 - big disappointment after my 17 & 19.
FTF's, FTE's = all-round crappy pistol. Went back to Austria, where it was determined that 'magazines were faulty'. They were repalced and gun was traded for:
S&W 625 - my all-time worst wheelgun experience. Two chambers consistently failed to fire, even after trip back to distributor. Cylinder failed to carry-up in slow fire. Rear sight windage adj. broke.
Just another (sort of) rare 'dud' S&W.
Ruger New Bearcat - arrived with sear tip broken, but that was likely due to mishandling along the way. Far worse was the shallow and uneven rifling in the muzzle-end 1" of barrel and the .018" barrel/cylinder gap.
I suppose I've been lucky, considering the number of handguns I've owned.
Those last three were somewhat attributable to the "sight unseen" handgun buying for rural and regional Australians. Due to strict controls on handguns and a lack of dealer display stock (ten new hanguns only are allowed for dealer stock
) some dealers tend to send the unsaleable duds off in the hope that the buyer will elect to fix them rather than go through the hassle and expense of sending them back. Warranty work in Australia seems dependent on the mood of the importer on any given day - and they aren't happy people Darkside852003
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Steyr M357 sig
I love the bad H&K USP posts.I like USPs but have to agree that the standard and compact .45 acp guns do have greater perceived recoil than they should, it feels more like hot 10mms in a steel frame gun to me.
The USP Elite is much more user pleasant but comes at a much greater price.
My favorite is the 9mm USP full size pistol, really pleasant gun to shoot but some daqy I'm going to spring for a USP Elite in .45, heck, I still like ,45s, what can I say,,,,,
Oh, the magazines are more expensive than they need to be too.
Jet22
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Where do I start?
I know I'll miss many, but heres some:
Colt Fronteer Scout 22: Didn't hit to the point of aim (not even close). On the plus side I could outshoot all my buddys with it cause I was the only one that knew where to point it. Fireing pin broke and damaged cylinder. First handgun I ever owned. Shoulda bought a Ruger.
Marlin model 56 lever 22 rifle: Aluminum frame cracked and broke. First 22 rifle I ever owned.
Ruger 357 Blackhawk: Cylinder misaligned so bad with the barrel that recovered slugs had rifling marks on the one side of the front of the slug and the other of the back of the slug. (bullets would go through bore sideways)
Springfield 1911: Jam-o-matic that was only slightly better after much work. Two piece barrel is junk: could see where locking lugs were by looking down the bore!
Had two of the S&W newer 24's (one 624): both were trash. The 624's cylinder had the cylinder pin bore so far off that when you rotated the cylinder the barrel gap would go from .000 to .012!! I am suspicious of any Post Bangor Punta guns (especially N-frames and non-pinned barrels), and even the Bangor Punta guns have to be inspected closely before buying.
686 S&W: Bought an 8" adjustable front sight target model new when they first came out. The barrel was screwed in so crooked that the cylinder gap was .005 on one side and .012 on the other. On the plus side I sent it back to Smith and it came back two weeks later, fixed, and was the most accurate revolver I have ever owned (three 3 shot groups, iron sights, 100 yards= 1.375" smallest, 2.625 largest and all 9 shots would have fallen into 5.5" if shot at the same target)
Model 26 S&W 6.5" 45acp: Would not group better than 6-8" at 50 yards. This gun was in 99.9%+ condition and had history (Was used in a murder in California in the 50's and sat in a police property room for 8 years. The guy that bought it from his cop buddy put it in a drawer and never shot it. When he died his wife sold it to my buddy who sold it to me). I don't keep guns if they don't shoot. They become trading fodder.
99A Savage (later model) in 250 Savage: Wouldn't group better than 5.5" at a hundred yards.
77-22 Ruger: Best group ever was 2" at a hundred yards. I put a 16x target scope on it, bought 5 types of target ammo and tried to get a good group at 50 yards. After shooting 10 5 shot groups and having just one approach 1", I went back in the house, grabbed my beat up, abused, uncleaned for over a year Glenfield model 60 from behind the door, cleaned 3 months worth of dust out of the front lense of the K-mart 3/4" tube scope, racked one in (this gun was aways kept loaded for varmits) and shot 5 rounds at the same target. The first four clustered in one ragged hole and the fifth opened it up to an inch (I may have pulled it since the trigger is not that good). The Ruger went back. On a side note, I have two Ruger 77-22's now that will shoot 1" at 100 yards.
Ithica 49 22LR single shot saddle gun: extractor does NOT work in any of these guns (have owned 4)
I was at the Shot Show in 1989 and complained to Smith about their sloppy rear sight blades. They told me "we fixed that". I took the factory exec over to their display and started picking up guns; this ones loose, this ones loose, this ones loose....To this day, I adjust the rear sight to the point of aim and then dab a bit of silicone rubber cement under the blade with a toothpick. That will hold the blade still but allows slight windage adjustment (all you need once zeroed). How do you expect to shoot a decent group when you can move the rear blade all over the place?? Same for Ruger Blackhawks only the whole sight wobbles on the elevation screw. Have also seen M-29 Hunters with replaceable front blades that were loose.
These are just the ones that stand out in my mind. I haven't had any problems with Tech-22's, Teck-9's, Jennings, Stoger Luger 22's, AA derringers, Rossies, Arminus, Llama's, Savage pump shotguns, and many other garbage guns cause I WON'T WASTE MY MONEY ON THEM!!
On the plus side I have owned many Colts, Smiths, and Rugers that had no problems. Many I wish I never would have traded off.
I know I'll miss many, but heres some:
Colt Fronteer Scout 22: Didn't hit to the point of aim (not even close). On the plus side I could outshoot all my buddys with it cause I was the only one that knew where to point it. Fireing pin broke and damaged cylinder. First handgun I ever owned. Shoulda bought a Ruger.
Marlin model 56 lever 22 rifle: Aluminum frame cracked and broke. First 22 rifle I ever owned.
Ruger 357 Blackhawk: Cylinder misaligned so bad with the barrel that recovered slugs had rifling marks on the one side of the front of the slug and the other of the back of the slug. (bullets would go through bore sideways)
Springfield 1911: Jam-o-matic that was only slightly better after much work. Two piece barrel is junk: could see where locking lugs were by looking down the bore!
Had two of the S&W newer 24's (one 624): both were trash. The 624's cylinder had the cylinder pin bore so far off that when you rotated the cylinder the barrel gap would go from .000 to .012!! I am suspicious of any Post Bangor Punta guns (especially N-frames and non-pinned barrels), and even the Bangor Punta guns have to be inspected closely before buying.
686 S&W: Bought an 8" adjustable front sight target model new when they first came out. The barrel was screwed in so crooked that the cylinder gap was .005 on one side and .012 on the other. On the plus side I sent it back to Smith and it came back two weeks later, fixed, and was the most accurate revolver I have ever owned (three 3 shot groups, iron sights, 100 yards= 1.375" smallest, 2.625 largest and all 9 shots would have fallen into 5.5" if shot at the same target)
Model 26 S&W 6.5" 45acp: Would not group better than 6-8" at 50 yards. This gun was in 99.9%+ condition and had history (Was used in a murder in California in the 50's and sat in a police property room for 8 years. The guy that bought it from his cop buddy put it in a drawer and never shot it. When he died his wife sold it to my buddy who sold it to me). I don't keep guns if they don't shoot. They become trading fodder.
99A Savage (later model) in 250 Savage: Wouldn't group better than 5.5" at a hundred yards.
77-22 Ruger: Best group ever was 2" at a hundred yards. I put a 16x target scope on it, bought 5 types of target ammo and tried to get a good group at 50 yards. After shooting 10 5 shot groups and having just one approach 1", I went back in the house, grabbed my beat up, abused, uncleaned for over a year Glenfield model 60 from behind the door, cleaned 3 months worth of dust out of the front lense of the K-mart 3/4" tube scope, racked one in (this gun was aways kept loaded for varmits) and shot 5 rounds at the same target. The first four clustered in one ragged hole and the fifth opened it up to an inch (I may have pulled it since the trigger is not that good). The Ruger went back. On a side note, I have two Ruger 77-22's now that will shoot 1" at 100 yards.
Ithica 49 22LR single shot saddle gun: extractor does NOT work in any of these guns (have owned 4)
I was at the Shot Show in 1989 and complained to Smith about their sloppy rear sight blades. They told me "we fixed that". I took the factory exec over to their display and started picking up guns; this ones loose, this ones loose, this ones loose....To this day, I adjust the rear sight to the point of aim and then dab a bit of silicone rubber cement under the blade with a toothpick. That will hold the blade still but allows slight windage adjustment (all you need once zeroed). How do you expect to shoot a decent group when you can move the rear blade all over the place?? Same for Ruger Blackhawks only the whole sight wobbles on the elevation screw. Have also seen M-29 Hunters with replaceable front blades that were loose.
These are just the ones that stand out in my mind. I haven't had any problems with Tech-22's, Teck-9's, Jennings, Stoger Luger 22's, AA derringers, Rossies, Arminus, Llama's, Savage pump shotguns, and many other garbage guns cause I WON'T WASTE MY MONEY ON THEM!!
On the plus side I have owned many Colts, Smiths, and Rugers that had no problems. Many I wish I never would have traded off.
".....some dealers tend to send the unsaleable duds off in the hope that the buyer will elect to fix them rather than go through the hassle and expense of sending them back. Warranty work in Australia seems dependent on the mood of the importer on any given day - and they aren't happy people "
I've heard (round about from a factory trained armorer) that Smith and other makers dumped their problem guns in Australia.
I've heard (round about from a factory trained armorer) that Smith and other makers dumped their problem guns in Australia.
Walt Rauch
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Some gun companies call their poor stuff "remote Location" guns.
They figure send them far enough and they'll never come back.
They figure send them far enough and they'll never come back.
DAVE RICHARDS
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You had to ask. KIMBERS!
1. Ultra Carry II SS- 2 bad extractors(external), bad barrel (out of spec), front nightsight burnt out in a week, frame cracked at 1200 rounds. Tested to 20,000 rounds without major wear my a&%!
2. After much fighting with Kimber UC II SS replacement gun. 2 bad external extractors, recoil rod snapped at 900 rounds, frame cracked at 1200 rounds came back from Kimber custom shop looking like someone had went at the slide with a grinder.
3. Replaced with a 4" Compact Stainless with a "guarantee" it would work from the Custom Shop. It did. For 6 magazines then the old fte problem. Replaced extractor still a no go. Replaced Kimber with an H&K Stainless Compact that has been a gem. BTW, I bought a S&W 1911Sc that has been 100% from the factory with an external extractor from day one. An external extractor and a 1911 can get along fine if done right.
Taurus PT-145(not a Mill Pro)-frame cracked like clockwork every 250 rounds. Back to Taurus three times. Last time it sheared the external safety off. They did replace it with a PT-945 after I'd had enough. It jammed every mag. Sold it. But on the other hand I had a PT-111 9mm that except for the crappy trigger worked every single time. Same with a 85CH revolver it is a gem. And a recently acquired PT92. I like it better than the Beretta 92. Mostly because of the frame mounted safety (cocked and locked carry) and no plastic parts.
Walther P22-jammomatic. Period. Kudos to S&W serice they bent over backwards to make it right. It was an early model with the magazine problems and all. Sent a new one eventually. I sold it and used it in a trade for a Sig P-239 9mm. A shame I liked the P22 concept alot.
Beretta Tomcat- pre "Wide Body" model. Frame cracked, slide cracked. Beretta replaced with a wide body. Went towards the above mentioned Sig. Another shame. The wide body probably would have been fine. A very accurate gun for it size. Liked the tip up barrel. Liked the cocked and locked option.
A lesson I learned. I had to be the first kid on the block to own one of these guns. All were fresh new models except for the Kimbers. I wait for a gun to be out for awhile now before I buy. Lots of guns are rushed to market beore they are totally debugged.
If the PT-145 is truly debugged it is a very attractive combination of size and firepower. I could recommend the newer wide body Tomcats to anyone. Kimbers are hit or miss. If you get a good one you have a fine weapon. But I've seen to many with problems to ever buy one again. Just so you know I've owned tons of different handguns over the years. These represent a small percentage of those I've owned. Most have been fine from the box.
1. Ultra Carry II SS- 2 bad extractors(external), bad barrel (out of spec), front nightsight burnt out in a week, frame cracked at 1200 rounds. Tested to 20,000 rounds without major wear my a&%!
2. After much fighting with Kimber UC II SS replacement gun. 2 bad external extractors, recoil rod snapped at 900 rounds, frame cracked at 1200 rounds came back from Kimber custom shop looking like someone had went at the slide with a grinder.
3. Replaced with a 4" Compact Stainless with a "guarantee" it would work from the Custom Shop. It did. For 6 magazines then the old fte problem. Replaced extractor still a no go. Replaced Kimber with an H&K Stainless Compact that has been a gem. BTW, I bought a S&W 1911Sc that has been 100% from the factory with an external extractor from day one. An external extractor and a 1911 can get along fine if done right.
Taurus PT-145(not a Mill Pro)-frame cracked like clockwork every 250 rounds. Back to Taurus three times. Last time it sheared the external safety off. They did replace it with a PT-945 after I'd had enough. It jammed every mag. Sold it. But on the other hand I had a PT-111 9mm that except for the crappy trigger worked every single time. Same with a 85CH revolver it is a gem. And a recently acquired PT92. I like it better than the Beretta 92. Mostly because of the frame mounted safety (cocked and locked carry) and no plastic parts.
Walther P22-jammomatic. Period. Kudos to S&W serice they bent over backwards to make it right. It was an early model with the magazine problems and all. Sent a new one eventually. I sold it and used it in a trade for a Sig P-239 9mm. A shame I liked the P22 concept alot.
Beretta Tomcat- pre "Wide Body" model. Frame cracked, slide cracked. Beretta replaced with a wide body. Went towards the above mentioned Sig. Another shame. The wide body probably would have been fine. A very accurate gun for it size. Liked the tip up barrel. Liked the cocked and locked option.
A lesson I learned. I had to be the first kid on the block to own one of these guns. All were fresh new models except for the Kimbers. I wait for a gun to be out for awhile now before I buy. Lots of guns are rushed to market beore they are totally debugged.
If the PT-145 is truly debugged it is a very attractive combination of size and firepower. I could recommend the newer wide body Tomcats to anyone. Kimbers are hit or miss. If you get a good one you have a fine weapon. But I've seen to many with problems to ever buy one again. Just so you know I've owned tons of different handguns over the years. These represent a small percentage of those I've owned. Most have been fine from the box.
Mikey Glockster
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My worst is now my best (and my only).
Glock M23 that couldn't hit the ground if you aimed at it. Sent it to Glock and for $22 and 10 days of separation anxiety, I have the most accurate autoloader I've ever shot.
Cheers to Glock.
Glock M23 that couldn't hit the ground if you aimed at it. Sent it to Glock and for $22 and 10 days of separation anxiety, I have the most accurate autoloader I've ever shot.
Cheers to Glock.
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12 ga. "Streetsweeper"
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