M&P .38 143xxx Strange Color $699?

Refinished or Original?

  • Refinished

    Votes: 8 72.7%
  • Original

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Total voters
    11
One of my Dan Wesson 15-2 frames is turning a plum color. This is common with original, blued DW’s.

I haven’t seen a S&W turn plum myself, but just about anything is a possibility. :)

I reblued my Great Uncles old duty M&P when I inherited it. The bluing had a big scratch through the logo, and it was pretty warn from a few decades worth of holster carry and sweat in the heat of Las Vegas. Fortunately it was still pretty tight for a 202xxx series .38 Special.

It may have ruined any collector value, but it was brought back fairly close to it’s original glory.

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If you pick up the old girl, I think you’ll like it.

Stay safe.
those Grips are Very Cool!
 
I don't think that gun is anywhere near as old as you think it is. It looks to be an M&P from the late 40's early 50's maybe. You didn't mention a prefix to the S/N but I'd bet it's a "C". C 143XXX puts it at the late 40's. That "C" or other letter is part of the S/N and makes a difference. If it was as old as you think, the ejector rod would have a "knob" on the end like this Third Model Hand Ejector 32.

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That gun looks like the 38 M&P I put on layaway yesterday. S/N is in the C 310XXX range, which puts it in the 54-56 range.

I'll show the same side. Ignore the stocks. They are some sort of no-name aftermarket, but don't look too bad.

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Might as well show the other side too.

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Note the ejector rod end is like the one you pictured. This one is a five screw, which I suppose the one you pictured is also. I think I can see the front trigger guard screw in your picture, but that might just be that I expect to see it, so in my mind it's there.

The purple color isn't rare or anything, but it's not really common on Smith and Wesson's either. I had a Model 39-2 once that had a purple safety/decocker now that I think on it. If it really is from the early post-war period, it's possible that a batch of blue solution wasn't quite right, or the steel was different. A lot of GI's were returning to the work force after the war. Some may have worked for Smith and Wesson before the war, or they might be in the same boat as a lot of other people, then and now, just starting off learning a job. Things happen. Smith and Wesson after the war continued to use a finish similar to the wartime finish to speed up production to catch up with the demand for civilian guns that had been building up during the war years when everything was going to the military. It would be at least ten years from VJ day before they really got back to the bright blue we think of when we think of Smith and Wesson across the line.

Is it worth $700? Not to me. For $700 I'd be thinking, in like new condition, with box and papers. I put the one above on layaway for $450. It was tagged at $499.99. It's far from immaculate. It's got some minor rust issues, nothing Flitz and Ren Wax won't take care of, and of course, we mentioned the stocks, but mechanically it's good to go. Lockup tight, times right, bore bright and shiny. It's got a SS number scratched into the bottom of the grip, I forget which one off the top of my head, and a number stamped into the grip. Probably a rack or badge number. Neatly done and I just look at it, and SS number, as part of the history. Another gun I'd like to sit down with a cup of coffee, flip it over in my hand a few times and say, "Now, tell me your story."
 
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I don't think that gun is anywhere near as old as you think it is. It looks to be an M&P from the late 40's early 50's maybe. You didn't mention a prefix to the S/N but I'd bet it's a "C". C 143XXX puts it at the late 40's. That "C" or other letter is part of the S/N and makes a difference. If it was as old as you think, the ejector rod would have a "knob" on the end like this Third Model Hand Ejector 32.

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That gun looks like the 38 M&P I put on layaway yesterday. S/N is in the C 310XXX range, which puts it in the 54-56 range.

I'll show the same side. Ignore the stocks. They are some sort of no-name aftermarket, but don't look too bad.

View attachment 1200391

Might as well show the other side too.

(edited)_Pre10R.png


Note the ejector rod end is like the one you pictured. This one is a five screw, which I suppose the one you pictured is also. I think I can see the front trigger guard screw in your picture, but that might just be that I expect to see it, so in my mind it's there.

The purple color isn't rare or anything, but it's not really common on Smith and Wesson's either. I had a Model 39-2 once that had a purple safety/decocker now that I think on it. If it really is from the early post-war period, it's possible that a batch of blue solution wasn't quite right, or the steel was different. A lot of GI's were returning to the work force after the war. Some may have worked for Smith and Wesson before the war, or they might be in the same boat as a lot of other people, then and now, just starting off learning a job. Things happen. Smith and Wesson after the war continued to use a finish similar to the wartime finish to speed up production to catch up with the demand for civilian guns that had been building up during the war years when everything was going to the military. It would be at least ten years from VJ day before they really got back to the bright blue we think of when we think of Smith and Wesson across the line.

Is it worth $700? Not to me. For $700 I'd be thinking, in like new condition, with box and papers. I put the one above on layaway for $450. It was tagged at $499.99. It's far from immaculate. It's got some minor rust issues, nothing Flitz and Ren Wax won't take care of, and of course, we mentioned the stocks, but mechanically it's good to go. Lockup tight, times right, bore bright and shiny. It's got a SS number scratched into the bottom of the grip, I forget which one off the top of my head, and a number stamped into the grip. Probably a rack or badge number. Neatly done and I just look at it, and SS number, as part of the history. Another gun I'd like to sit down with a cup of coffee, flip it over in my hand a few times and say, "Now, tell me your story."
Nice Write up! I’ll get better photos soon and prefix too! as everyone has mentioned, they are asking a bit much

“Now tell me your story” is exactly why we buy these old gun! $450 is a great price!

Didn’t realize that it took Smith 10 years (post Vday) to get there finish back to pre-war shine.
 
“Now tell me your story” is exactly why we buy these old gun! $450 is a great price!

Didn’t realize that it took Smith 10 years (post Vday) to get there finish back to pre-war shine.
Well, that ten years is a rough estimate. Some models got the change sooner. The "357 Magnum" ("Pre-27") being the flagship got the bright finish right away. They probably had some older, experienced people working who knew how to do it and went right back to what they'd been doing before the great misunderstanding of December 1941. They had to train a lot of new people over the next few years I'm sure.
 
Well, that ten years is a rough estimate. Some models got the change sooner. The "357 Magnum" ("Pre-27") being the flagship got the bright finish right away. They probably had some older, experienced people working who knew how to do it and went right back to what they'd been doing before the great misunderstanding of December 1941. They had to train a lot of new people over the next few years I'm sure.
you know you know. And knowing is 1/2 the battle! Fun Smith Journey!
 
My gut tells me this is a refinish. Can't tell much by the pics but it looks like it hasn't been buffed into oblivion like many guns but still a reblue. One red flag for me is that the Rugers turned plum because of the composition of the steel. It only happened with frames and other cast parts. Not barrels, hammers, triggers, basepins or cylinders. Those are all different alloys. This S&W has the same color on the frame, ejector rod, cylinder and only part of the barrel. This tells me there was something wrong with the bluing solution. I would surmise that it had some minor bluing wear and a previous owner took it to their local `smith who just did a quick reblue and that's where it happened. In any case, the price is way too high for a refinished M&P, by about double.
 
Being somewhat tone blind it appears on my computer screen as a blued revolver with a little holster wear so I'll pass on original or reblued. I do think the price is too high even if it is original.
 
Man, I think at $699 for an item it's expensive. It seems to me that for this price you can look for better options. The color is really very beautiful, but for me, this is the only plus...
 
Hard to tell since I can't see the markings well enough when I magnify the image because it becomes blurred, base on color alone I would guess a refinish coat.
 
My two cents worth: $699 is pretty high for a pre Model 10, in any condition. This specimen looks to have been re-blued at some point in it's life. What makes me think that is, I've seen some re-blued guns that have turned a sort of "plum" color as that one. However, my grandad's M37 Winchester shotgun has turned a very similar color and I know he never refinished it or had it done. If I could see the marking on the gun a bit better, I might could tell if it'd been polished and refinished. Regardless, it would be more attractive at $399 to me.

Mac
BINGO! It's a little rare for modern factory bluing the "plum" but not that unusual for "everyman" re-bluing to "plum" after years of use or storage.
Older guns, it's the "patina" from getting old! :)

Buyers set prices! If you think it's too high for a common M10/M&P 38, make an offer or move on!
$699 for an M66 in good + condition would be a buy! :)
 
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I concur that the frame and ejector rod have been re-blued. The grips are definitely post WWII.
The give away for me is the lack of wear to bluing on the ejector rod as well as the purplish color.
 
BINGO! It's a little rare for modern factory bluing the "plum" but not that unusual for "everyman" re-bluing to "plum" after years of use or storage.
Older guns, it's the "patina" from getting old! :)

Buyers set prices! If you think it's too high for a common M10/M&P 38, make an offer or move on!
$699 for an M66 in good + condition would be a buy! :)
I’m not buying it, @MacAR was right, it’s about a $400. $700 is too high

there has been a few 66-2 in my area lately, around the $800 range
 
I dunno, I like plumming. Its different and I like purple...... I had a Ruger P89 with a deep plummed slide, and I currently have an OM Ruger Single Six thats almost maroon.

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A gun is only worth what you’re willing to pay.

I didn’t vote as I don’t pretend to know about bluing and what is original vs reblued.

Price wise, I would look at the technical aspects of it to see how tight and in spec it is. If I liked it and had the money, maybe I would buy it. The color definitely is unique.

I do not buy guns to sell them later on. I buy them to shoot and enjoy.
 
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