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.455_Hunter said:
Bringing back the tube-fed Model 60 would be an excellent complement to the 10/22. The Winchester/Browning/FN conglomerate makes several platforms that theoretically "compete" with each other, but instead offer more choices to the user. The one that I question is how the Chevrolet / GMC thing still exists.
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It originated from dealers of other GM cars wanting a pick-up to sell like Chevrolet but slightly upscale like the cars. It still gives Cadillac and Buick that option.
 
Remington1911 said:
Looking at something from 30 years ago and judging it by todays standards is really a weak way of making an argument.

I will take the marlin all day and twice on sunday, the trigger on mine does not "suck" and the one ruger I shot was just the cheapest feeling.....thing....I have had in my hand since the P89.

This is going to roll down hill to a lock pretty darn quickly.
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I'm gong to use it today, not 30yrs ago. It's absolutely a valid argument. I'm not going to defend the homestead with an M1 Garand either, for much the same reason.

A buddy of mine had one 30yrs ago and used it for general purpose work. The trigger sucked. I looked online and saw folks reporting a 9lb trigger, which also sucked.

You're entitled to your preference but the Camp Carbine is gone, discontinued decades ago for poor sales and it is not coming back. Some folks just get a stick up their butt about certain brands and there's no pulling it out.


.455_Hunter said:
Bringing back the tube-fed Model 60 would be an excellent complement to the 10/22. The Winchester/Browning/FN conglomerate makes several platforms that theoretically "compete" with each other, but instead offer more choices to the user. The one that I question is how the Chevrolet / GMC thing still exists.
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IMHO, GMC has done a much better job with their offerings than Chevy has in at least 15yrs. We've had three of them and a Buick. My current truck is an `03 Chevy but if I were buying a new one, it would be a GMC hands down.
 
I got a Marlin 60 for Christmas when I was 10 I believe. I've owned several over the years, but much prefer the 10/22. Not the standard carbine that is the most common. Over the years Ruger has made over 100 variants of the 10/22. The Sporters and some of the target versions are much better than the standard carbine and don't cost much, if any more.

That said I think it would be smart for Ruger to make the 60 again. It will be a money maker for them. A common business practice is for the same person, company etc., to also own the competition. There are enough people out there that prefer the 60, and even if it cuts into 10/22 sales all the profits go to the same place.

I can remember years ago when there were 4 gas stations on the corners of the same intersection in town. They all 4 sold different brands of gas but were all owned by the same man. The Chevy and Toyota dealerships locally are both owned by the same family. The Nissan, Honda, and GMC, dealerships are all under the same corporate umbrella which also owns the Ford dealership in a nearby town. The local Ford and the Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealers are still independent.
 
CraigC said:
I'm gong to use it today, not 30yrs ago. It's absolutely a valid argument. I'm not going to defend the homestead with an M1 Garand either, for much the same reason.

A buddy of mine had one 30yrs ago and used it for general purpose work. The trigger sucked. I looked online and saw folks reporting a 9lb trigger, which also sucked.

You're entitled to your preference but the Camp Carbine is gone, discontinued decades ago for poor sales and it is not coming back. Some folks just get a stick up their butt about certain brands and there's no pulling it out.



IMHO, GMC has done a much better job with their offerings than Chevy has in at least 15yrs. We've had three of them and a Buick. My current truck is an `03 Chevy but if I were buying a new one, it would be a GMC hands down.
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So lets see you don't currently own one. Your "buddy", I wonder why I think if this was a diamond forum someone would have a "buddy" with the Hope Diamond, but your "buddy" had one 30 years ago, your memory is pretty amazing.

I own one, have posted up photos of the one I currently own. Nothing has been done to it, and the trigger is no where near 9lbs. Guess I am going to have to video that one to put this to bed, but it will not be to bed, I will have "done something" or gotten "a good one".

You are correct about one thing however and it comes to light whenever a "Ruger" thread comes along, those ruger fanbois do as you say, have a stick up their butt. Now what did I do with that fantastic Ruger P89?
 
Remington1911 said:
Looking at something from 30 years ago and judging it by todays standards is really a weak way of making an argument.
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If a buyer is looking to buy something, and that something could be used and new, well . . . I'm going to look at all factors no matter when it was designed or made.

I love the idea of the Marlin Camp Carbines, they really caught my eye back in the '90s. And if someone made an improved model for the 2020s, I'd look at it seriously. But, it sure looks like Henry beat Marlin/Ruger to the punch on a 21st century wood stocked PCC.

Maybe Marlin will do something about that once they get their current line up in full production? A new wood stocked Marlin PCC in about 5 years from now could be great.
 
BTW, if Marlin released an updated version of the 60 known as the 99 M1 (or whatever), that would be very interesting to me. I don't need the wood handguard, but the short carbine barrel and mag tube that barely extends past the fore end interest me greatly. Redesign the buttstock, too. Just make it straight on the comb instead of that old school "hunter" style.
 
jmr40 said:
I got a Marlin 60 for Christmas when I was 10 I believe....
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This is why I often call the 10/22 and the Model 60 the "standard issue" rifles. When you turn 10 or 12 or so in many (particularly rural) areas, someone hands you your first .22. I think my parents waited until I was 12 before issuing me mine.
 
I’m not terribly excited about a new one but I’m glad I have both a 60 and a 10/22. If I was without either and the opportunity arose I would remedy the situation, as I did with my 10/22 about three months ago.
 
Remington1911 said:
So lets see you don't currently own one. Your "buddy", I wonder why I think if this was a diamond forum someone would have a "buddy" with the Hope Diamond, but your "buddy" had one 30 years ago, your memory is pretty amazing.

I own one, have posted up photos of the one I currently own. Nothing has been done to it, and the trigger is no where near 9lbs. Guess I am going to have to video that one to put this to bed, but it will not be to bed, I will have "done something" or gotten "a good one".

You are correct about one thing however and it comes to light whenever a "Ruger" thread comes along, those ruger fanbois do as you say, have a stick up their butt. Now what did I do with that fantastic Ruger P89?
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My experience is what it is, as valid as yours. I wanted one but after handling and shooting my friend's rifle and handling them countless times in gun shops, I never could "pull the trigger" on one. Your rhetoric about diamonds is just grasping at straws to win an argument. You have one, you like it and you are a fan. You feel the need to defend it. That's fine but there is little point here. I'm not denigrating the rifle, the folks that own them or anyone's mother. I just don't have a use for one. I'm simply pointing out that between the two, decades after the Camp Carbine was discontinued, most people are going to choose the Ruger for the aforementioned reasons. Personally, I own neither and have no plans to buy either one. I have a CZ Scorpion that does what I need it to and is head & shoulders above both of them.

I'm not a fanboy, you're the one that's emotionally invested.
 
jmr40 said:
I got a Marlin 60 for Christmas when I was 10 I believe. I've owned several over the years, but much prefer the 10/22. Not the standard carbine that is the most common. Over the years Ruger has made over 100 variants of the 10/22. The Sporters and some of the target versions are much better than the standard carbine and don't cost much, if any more.
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Same here and at the same age. I shot it for years, tens of thousands of rounds. When I got my first 10/22, I considered it an upgrade and still do. IMHO, it is simply a better made rifle and the fact that the aftermarket support is so vast is just a bonus. Now I have a dozen 10/22's and the same old Model 60 that hasn't been shot in decades.
 
In the last 50 years both rifles have evolved. There were good and bad years as well as good and bad examples of both the Ruger and the Marlin. If you've owned several examples of both over that 50 year time period I think it is easier to understand that. If you've only had a limited exposure to one of each it would be easy to come to very different conclusions.

If you compare the Marlin to the standard Ruger Carbine, Marlin wins on ergonomics. The standard Ruger stock design is poor. But the Ruger Sporter stock is the better of the 2 in my experience. The cost difference is negligible and I've never understood why those aren't more popular.

The Marlins tend to be slightly more accurate and have better triggers out of the box. But that is true 100% of the time. And it is a lot easier to correct a bad Ruger trigger.

Ruger wins on scope mounting.

In my experience Ruger wins on reliability and durability by a wide margin. The weak link on the Marlin is the tube magazine. You can only pull that tube out and load it so many times before it wears out. Granted, for a lot of people that is a lifetime of service. But not for others.

My Marlin was bought in 1968 or 69. The magazine started failing at least 20 years ago. It is no longer usable, and not worth the cost to repair. I have worn out a couple of the Ruger magazines too. But they are easy enough to toss in the trash and just buy a new one. And like most people I have multiple magazines. I actually prefer the 10 or 15 round mags that protrude slightly from the rifle. It isn't enough to get in the way, and they are a lot easier to remove and insert.

RUGER RUGER® 10/22® 15RD MAGAZINE 22 LR | Brownells

Butler Creek Hot Lips .22LR 10/22 10-Round Magazine (gunmagwarehouse.com)

The Ruger Sporters and target versions are plenty accurate from the factory. The Ruger BX trigger comes from the factory on some and is available to put in any of them. That will give you a 2 lb trigger that is better than most any other factory 22 trigger.

The Ruger wins on aftermarket accessories. With the ability for anyone to swap out barrels and virtually any other part easily with no gunsmithing you can create anything you want and outshoot any Marlin.

But that does cost money and not everyone wants to do that. That is why I think there is room for Ruger to make both designs.
 
There are jurisdictions in the US where Ruger 10/22s are banned as detachable magazine semi-auto rifles. As I recall, Marlin exported significant numbers of 9 and 10 shot tube magazine Model 60s to foreign markets where detachable magazine semi-auto rifles were banned. Marlin reduced the magazine capacity of the Model 60 from 18 to 14 to comply with the New Jersey ban on magazine capacity 15 shots or more.There was a foreign and domestic market for low-capacity semi-auto .22 rifles and I suspect there still is.
 
CraigC said:
They're on the website. Years ago I would hear folks say that Ruger should buy Marlin just so they can shut down model 60 production. It's only sound business sense to produce both.
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Yeah. That's too bad. I have one of of each. My Model 60 is orders of magnitude better than my 10/22 which is, for all intents and purposes, a complete POS.
 
D.B. Cooper said:
Yeah. That's too bad. I have one of of each. My Model 60 is orders of magnitude better than my 10/22 which is, for all intents and purposes, a complete POS.
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D.B. Cooper said:
The Marlin Model 60 is King of the Hill.
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D.B. Cooper said:
Anything that's not a 10/22. Well. Almost anything. I'd take a 10/22 over a Remington Nylon 66 anytime.
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D.B. Cooper said:
LOL. Yeah. Like put a device in them that makes them jam every eighth shot like a 10/22.
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Don’t hold back, man. Tell us how you really feel. :D
 
Remington1911 said:
Well that goes without saying.

In a picture perfect example where the better product did not win.
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I dunno. If you're basing that solely on the Model 60 v 10/22 then yes, absolutely, the better product did not win. But the Ruger company, I think, was a better managed company, and their product line, as a whole, with the very distinct exception of the 10/22 *spit*, was better than that of Marlin. This whole conversation makes me think "Hard to believe Marlin is gone," but I never liked their rifles over the Winchesters, and that was about all Marlin really had. Ruger is a diverse manufacturer with many wildly popular firearms, and everything they make, again, save for the 10/22 *spit* is high quality.
 
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