Might want a 308, but I have an '06...
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My .308 is the most accurate rifle I own, reliably punching 1/3rd MOA groups with factory Remmy Corlokt. But I have to say this. The charts all say there is no significant difference between it and the 06', that an animal won't be able to tell the difference. That said, I've killed a lot of whitetail with a .270, .30-06 and the .308. Of those three, I've had the most run-offs with the .308.
Paper does not tell the entire story, for me at least. I still use it as my go-to deer rig due to its accuracy. The flip side is I have to use that accuracy for perfect shot placement. I find the .270 and the 06' a bit more forgiving in that regard.
Paper does not tell the entire story, for me at least. I still use it as my go-to deer rig due to its accuracy. The flip side is I have to use that accuracy for perfect shot placement. I find the .270 and the 06' a bit more forgiving in that regard.
If this game of great 100-yard groups will allow, I'll raise the anti 8 times in distance and almost 7 times as many shots:
WCC60 match cases full length sized, RWS 5341 primers, 45.3 gr. IMR4895, Sierra 155 Palma, Paramount action with Kreiger 30" 1:13 twist.
If someone has a late 1971 issue of The American Rifleman magazine, there's an ad by Lapua showing a Hart barreled Win. 70 in .308 Win. with a 10-shot group at 600 yards measuring about .7"; that's .117 MOA with their 185-gr. FMJRB match bullet.
WCC60 match cases full length sized, RWS 5341 primers, 45.3 gr. IMR4895, Sierra 155 Palma, Paramount action with Kreiger 30" 1:13 twist.
If someone has a late 1971 issue of The American Rifleman magazine, there's an ad by Lapua showing a Hart barreled Win. 70 in .308 Win. with a 10-shot group at 600 yards measuring about .7"; that's .117 MOA with their 185-gr. FMJRB match bullet.
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I went back to post #1, and nowhere in it does the O.P. state his purpose for longer range shooting. Therefore, we don't know if he wants to knock a coyote over at a thousand, or win the club long-distance match. In my mind at least, it do make a difference.
I do believe that most of the bullet makers specifically state on the boxes of their rounds that the target bullets are not meant for use on animals. Those types of bullets are optimized for accuracy, not expansion, or any other factor dedicated to the humane killing of living creatures. The other side of the coin doesn't count of course. Nobody gives a hoot if your hunting bullets can also produce winning groups at extended ranges. Well, not exactly true, but I think you'd have to work at it to miss the point I'm trying to make.
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I went back to post #1, and nowhere in it does the O.P. state his purpose for longer range shooting. Therefore, we don't know if he wants to knock a coyote over at a thousand, or win the club long-distance match. In my mind at least, it do make a difference.
I do believe that most of the bullet makers specifically state on the boxes of their rounds that the target bullets are not meant for use on animals. Those types of bullets are optimized for accuracy, not expansion, or any other factor dedicated to the humane killing of living creatures. The other side of the coin doesn't count of course. Nobody gives a hoot if your hunting bullets can also produce winning groups at extended ranges. Well, not exactly true, but I think you'd have to work at it to miss the point I'm trying to make.
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Here's my take as a target shooter and hunter. If I'm going elk hunting I'd prefer a .30-06 Sprg (I use a .375 H&H Mag or .300 Win Mag). If I'm target shooting I'd prefer a .308 Win. I shot the target shown below in an F-Class match (F-TR) at 300 yards off a Harris bipod. That's 15 rounds for record (S1 and S2 are sighters) in under 15 minutes using a Krieger barreled Remington 700 rifle. It was a windy day but I managed a 149-4X. According to my calipers the 10 ring is 2.83" and the X ring is 1.39". This is no way near as impressive as Bart's 800 yard group but I was very pleased that day.
In the late 60's, the USN Small Arms Match Conditioning Unit had a 300-yard target showing a test group from a rebuilt Garand. A clip full of 7.62 NATO M118 match ammo fired in about 1 minute slung up in prone went into .878" extreme spread. That's 0.2927 MOA from a standard service grade barrel air gauged for uniformity.
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