Modern combat with bolt action?

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to be picky the last (russian) 91/30s rolled out of Izhevsk in 1947
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Are you sure you're not talking about M44s? I'd be surprised if the M91/30 was being produced that late, especially in the wake of the SKS...
 
the full production of the 91/30 stoped at Izhevsk in 1945 but 1946-47 saw limited production runs mostly to produce sniper rifles however some (likely those that did not meet accuracy requirements) never had scopes mounted (there are known examples of both years and i have seen detailed photos of a 1946 91/30... there are more known examples of snipers from 46-47 than there are infantry rifles from 46-47)

M44 production halted in 1948
 
I'm nt much into bubba-ing guns. but are they new stocks able to mount scopes easier. Also, how does the mosin effect armor.


P.S i probably won't be buying a gun any time soon. So i guess i'm getting more information than buying advice at the moment. thanks though. one more thing [i feel like the uncle from that really bad jackie chan adventures cartoon] is the sks alot like the ak?


EDIT: the m44 needs a special tool to field strip right?
 
Yes you can get new stocks and optics for mosins. The easiest way is to get the mount that replaces your rear iron sight. You don't need to modify the bolt to clear the scope.

Almost any full power rifle cartridge will defeat modern helmets and body armor unless it hits a trauma plate.

You don't need to field strip an M44. If it gets dirty you just dunk it in a tank of diesel fuel and drip in some old motor oil for lubrication.
If that doesn't work, just throw it away and get another rifle. ;)
 
Cosmoline: Samo Hayha was NOT using a beat to hell M44. He was using a FINNISH mosin. He was also an accomplished sniper. Most joe schmucks can't even SEE the enemy at the ranges he engaged targets at, albeit he did it without a scope. Hayha's type of rifle is worth AT LEAST $200, closer to $350 these days. For that money, the OP could have an AK if he wanted. I'm fully aware of what a mosin can do in the right hands, but your run of the mill mosin is about 3-4moa with factory ammo. That's good to about 500 yards.
 
M28's run quite a bit these days, but you can get Tikka 91's, various M39's and other Finns for under $250. I've got an M91 Tikka that shoots light ball MOA that cost me $180 last year. The increase in price is not that much over a run-of-the-mill Soviet Mosin.

The main point is, the Finnish experience in the Winter War disproves the notion--expressed by some here--that a bolt action rifle is useless against a superior force. Flesh is still flesh, and the important elements are still communication, tactics and training. These matter much more than how big your tank is or how many rounds per minute you can fire from your rifle.
 
If i buy a modern stock for a mosin, would i still be able to have the bayonet attached to the bottom. Also, where can i buy a good stock that's not going to look like a bubba'd sks.
 
My first gun was a Mosin. A '38 carbine. Cheap as dirt, and I still can't hit squat with it.

I love that gun.

It holds a special place in my heart. Owning that Mosin was the first time I'd ever been able to say, "I've got a gun! I'm not defenseless now. 'Across the room' is no longer 'out of range'."

It wasn't ideal, and I knew that. In fact, it's quite possibly the worst possible gun I could have bought to defend an apartment with. Doesn't matter, because I knew that under certain, probably bizarre circumstances, like the total breakdown of society, an invasion by zombies, or China, or possibly Chinese Zombies led by a reanimated Chairman Mao himself... I had an edge. I had a gun. My gun would go bang. And that is all that mattered.
 
Mosins are lewd, crude, cheap, and basic, but it'll get the job done if the guy behind the trigger does his part. They're supremely reliable (so long as you've got a pipe or 2x4 to unstick the bolt :p) and double for a pike if you're within melee distance.
 
LOL kill the BG in your appartment, your neightbor's appartment, and the next county too! 3 BGs deat with one bullet!
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Not so fast there. Our friends at Brassfetcher actually tested a number of SP 54 loads. Where's the overpenetration?

http://www.brassfetcher.com/Brown Bear 203gr JSP.html

where can i get a good modern stock?
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There are a ton of aftermarket stocks. I wouldn't call any of them particularly good. The original stock is best.
 
Wow. I'm surprised anyone else on this forum has seen that movie.
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the thought of other people having not seen the princess bride is... dare i say it? inconceivable? ;)
 
shevrock said:
P.S i probably won't be buying a gun any time soon. So i guess i'm getting more information than buying advice at the moment. thanks though. one more thing [i feel like the uncle from that really bad jackie chan adventures cartoon] is the sks alot like the ak?
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They're similar enough that people confuse them frequently. I've had friends who should know better tell me (and others) that the SKS is a "Chinese/Yugoslavian/Romanian/etc. made derivative of the AK." :rolleyes:

I think people tend to confuse them because of the design of the handguard and placement/appearance of the gas block (from the rear sight forward they're difficult for the untrained eye to distinguish). In fact, the SKS is a very different rifle: the bolt and receiver, for example, are very different. The SKS is also larger than the AK and was never designed for select-fire operation. The only thing they really have in common is the 7.62x39 round.

In my opinion, if you're on a budget and can only acquire one rifle, the SKS is a decent choice. It's cheap, dependable, and accurate enough to be effective.
 
AmishFury said:
the thought of other people having not seen the princess bride is... dare i say it? inconceivable?
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I don't think that means what you think it means...


Cosmoline, I remember that test. Used to have a couple stripper clips loaded with that round for 'just in case' use, decided on that after seeing those results. Don't have em now, but that's a different matter. The muzzle flash and noise is still pretty intense, so not ideal for indoors(though most things aren't), methinks, but it'll get er done.

Also, yeah, the original stock is best.
 
The muzzle flash and noise is still pretty intense, so not ideal for indoors(though most things aren't), methinks, but it'll get er done.
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I don't know. I've fired a .357 off indoors without ear protection (whoops) and I was 80% deaf for a little while. I've fired a 54R off hunting with no protection and I had no ringing. Of course that was an M91 not an M44.
 
I suppose it would vary a bit. I know I don't even like to fire my .22lr handgun outdoors(in a pretty spacious farm area) more than shot or 2 without earplugs, so I don't even try the Mosin without plugs or muffs. I can tell it's rather more even through the layers. :D
 
The Dread Pirate Roberts would be fine in modern combat with a bolt action, the six-fingered man... not so much! Unless they were fighting on top of the Cliffs of Insanity, whole different story.
 
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