need ideas for a mouse/pocket gun

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Length wise, muzzles even, my revolver is slightly longer and I need a slightly deeper pocket for it. Fortunately, my pockets are plenty deep enough. I'm just saying, if you can pocket the revolver, the P11 or PF9 is budda, especially the PF9 since it's only about 0.8" at its widest point and the cylinder of the revolver is over 1" across.
 

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The KelTec PF9 might be close to your price range ...

it would have far more power and probability in stopping the bad guy than a 380. You can not predict shot placements at all, as these situations most often happen quickly with the bad guy having the upper hand in a physical confrontation .You most often are only reacting and taking the only shot you can make. Predicting in advance that you will just take a head shot with a small caliber gun is not realistic based on real live encounters that have been studied and researched.
 
I also pocket carry a 38 special 13.2 oz Ruger LCR withh +p..

and also carry , depending on dress attire, the KelTec P11 in the pocket . For backup , I can see a 380 but not for my primary weapon. Heck , the bad guy has the advantage as it is. I want the probability of stopping him on my side as much as possible. My 2 cents.
 
If you will line up the grips of the revolver and the PF9(P11) and not the muzzle, you will see the problem for me. Where the revolver goes to a more rounded edge on the 642, the Kel-tec sticks way out and makes the gun fit awkward. In cargo pants pockets I'm sure it would be fine. In my big pockets, not so much.
 
My littlest pistol is a Beretta .25 950 BS that holds nine rounds and is quite reliable. I carry hardball in it and feel it is adequate for most of my must-have-something-in-my-pocket needs. They can be had for under $300 and are safer to carry IMO with a chambered round than many other pocket pistols. I should add, just for qualification's sake, I'm a former LEO and know something about the subject.

Unless you live in a high threat area, the likelihood of ever needing to draw a CW is pretty remote for Joe Citizen. Where I live, there's no street crime and the little Beretta is simply a comfort to have (along with my chapstick and Mini-Griptilian knife).

That said, I also have a S&W 442 in a Mika and a Kahr PM9 in a Mika that I'll take when I travel or am wearing appropriate clothing.
 
MCgunner said:
Length wise, muzzles even, my revolver is slightly longer and I need a slightly deeper pocket for it. Fortunately, my pockets are plenty deep enough. I'm just saying, if you can pocket the revolver, the P11 or PF9 is budda, especially the PF9 since it's only about 0.8" at its widest point and the cylinder of the revolver is over 1" across.
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length and height don't tell the whole story. The thick and blocky slide of the PF9 makes it stick out/print much more in the pocket than the rounded tapered shape of the revolver. If you're wearing baggy pants with big pockets the difference isn't nearly as noticeable while standing as it is while sitting.
 
To the OP: If your plan is to practice headshots with a pocketable gun, you're going to need a whole lot of practice, quite a bit of talent, and most importantly: a very solid "Plan B". Because it most likely ain't gonna happen.

I have an LCP and a P238. I'm an ok shot, but a headshot on a moving target in a high stress situation would be nigh impossible with the P238, which has excellent sights for a small gun. Headshots with the LCP in such a situation... keep dreaming. I can make little groups with my mouseguns on the range with the best of them, but in a "real" situation... as I said, you're going to need a "Plan B".

My criteria for a mousegun are that it conceals well (LCP is amazing at this) and are reliable (both of my mouseguns, fortunately, are). There are many other quality brands of mouseguns, and broken in properly, most of them can do the job. But if you're forced to use any of these guns in a real-world shooting scenario, I think you're better off to aim COM.

Just my opinion, of course.
 
A 25 auto for CCW???

Well , to each his own. Whether someone is attacked in a low crime area or high crime area is irrelevant. If you are going to be attacked regardless of where it is ,,,bring enough gun. I personally would not carry anything less than a 38 special +P or a 9mm as a primary gun . I have 2 brothers that were in Law enforcement for more than 30 years each and they both carry CCW of at least a 38 special or 9mm as a retiree like me. Even as a backup gun , I would not consider anything less than a 380 ACP pocket gun. With all the research and data on stopping power, why consider anything smaller. Yes, they are easy to carry and , I know they are better than a club,,, but not by much. My 3 cents.
 
LCP gets my vote........I have hands on with five of them; mine, Wife's,Mom's, Mom-In-Law's and Best Friend who is a Police Officer. All 5 have been 100% reliable out of the box. EVERYBODY who shoots an LCP wants one.
 
If you will line up the grips of the revolver and the PF9(P11) and not the muzzle, you will see the problem for me. Where the revolver goes to a more rounded edge on the 642, the Kel-tec sticks way out and makes the gun fit awkward. In cargo pants pockets I'm sure it would be fine. In my big pockets, not so much.
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Well, I ain't gettin' it, but hell, whatever works for you. That's why there is variety, everyone has different needs. I normally prefer my 9, but I get in the revolver mood now and then and the revolver makes a good back up for my 3" .357 belt gun so that I can carry .38+P for reloads in speed strips that'll work in either gun. I also like the little .38 when I'm outdoors, fishing, or just hiking. It's stainless and the salt environment don't bother it as bad. It still looks pretty sharp in finish. The Kel Tec is sorta weathered, shall we say. :D I got both of 'em within 2 months of each other when I got my CCW in 96. I really don't think either choice is "wrong" if it works for you. I do think the .38 loaded with 158 +P hollow points gives me more confidence than .380 out of a little gun with little sights. The little .38 is 3" at 25 yards accurate from the bench and has very visible, easy to acquire sights.

That said, I was looking at the Taurus TCP today and, well, that's just a cute little .380. :D I might have to get one, don't know why, but then, don't know why not. :D
 
Gun makers have made it easy for us...

as the 38 special revolvers with their light weight 2" barrels are easy to carry in the pocket. For years I carried a Colt Detective IWB , and recently bought a new Ruger LCR. At 13.2 ounces in my pocket with +P ammo , it is a new experience that I like indeed. When I am out working on my farm , I carry a .357 magnum Ruger SP101 or Keltec P11 IWB.
 
Lots of good choices are out there. I've got a Beretta Jetfire in .25 that fits the bill; I use it only as a BUG, and it's reliable with FMJ ammo. But then again, so are a dozen other excellent firearms, many of which have been mentioned in this thread and all of which will do the job for you. Find the one that best best fits your hand and eye and wallet and grab it; then practice with it until your are both comfortable and confident. Then practicce some more.
 
I would (and did) buy either a Kel-Tec P-32 or P-3AT.

They are time tested, light, inexpensive and accurate if you put in the range time to learn to shoot a small pistol well. I like the Kel-Tec much better than the Ruger.
 
I carried a beretta 950 in .22 short for a little while, on and off... felt just fine going to the grocery store... had "HV" shorts in it...

the normal carry gun at the time was a p64 or colt agent... but in summer season it was easier to just throw it in my pocket...

upgraded to a 950 in 25 a few years later... never had too much luck with Keltecs btw... but carried it with a taurus 85 with a clip draw... so it was more of a "keep their heads down while I reload the 85" gun... I sold that 85 to another co-worker who I worked with at a city p.d. lockup... that was a great revolver for 250 brand new...

Oh, carried a beretta 21a for a while... nary a hiccup with stingers... carried it til the blue wore off in the sharp edges... sold it to a buddy i worked with at the county pokey... fortunately bought another for the wife shortly before...

now carry either a 442 or naa mini depending on the mood... live in an area now tho' that a sharp stick would make me well armed for the threats facing me most days...
 
I think one of those little Polish mini-makarovs with a new trigger spring would be interesting, more powerful round out of a tried and true design thats actually a lot smaller than a standard makarov, seems to be very accurate too.
 
winchester '97 said:
I think one of those little Polish mini-makarovs with a new trigger spring would be interesting, more powerful round out of a tried and true design thats actually a lot smaller than a standard makarov, seems to be very accurate too.
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That's my pocket carry. And a DeSantis Nemesis or SuperFly for a J-frame fits it nicely, too. It literally disappears in most trouser pockets, as long as they aren't really tight. And almost anything will print in tight pants pockets.
 
I think one of those little Polish mini-makarovs with a new trigger spring would be interesting, more powerful round out of a tried and true design thats actually a lot smaller than a standard makarov, seems to be very accurate too.
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Funny you should mention, got my wolff springs in today, 22 lb recoil spring (bear to install, but properly applied cuss words did the job) and I installed a 19 lb hammer spring. Tested the hammer spring on some primed brass, worked fine. But, I need to make a range trip to test it and the recoil spring with live ammo before I carry it again. The hammer spring lightened up the DA pull nicely. Still stages, but the pull is a lot easier now. The SA is kinda too light, but that's okay, I guess. Sure is easy to shoot accurately in SA mode. This thing is quite accurate. Seems, though, the second shot fires itself sometimes. The lighter DA should help that DA/SA transition, though.

As to thickness, the P64 is as svelte as any PF9, just a tad longer in slide length, quarter inch or so.
 
Do you guys have pictures of Polish mini-makarovs? I'm not sure exactly what they are.
 
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