Neighborhood shooting, WAY too close for comfort

chaim

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I am finally starting to catch my breath, the adrenaline is starting to subside, and I can think clearly enough to post here.

When I got home from visiting my parents tonight, I noticed some people near their car (I assume their car) in the road a couple houses down from my townhouse. My gut said something was wrong (or did it, it may be my brain playing with me now after the fact), and I quickly got in the house and locked up. Five to ten minutes later I thought I heard arguing, and seconds/moments later I heard 5-10 gunshots in quick succession. This was just over 3 hours ago.

I quickly grabbed my CCW (SIG P365), turned out the lights upstairs (I was in my bedroom) so I wouldn't be backlit, and then decided I wanted something else in case the shooters picked my house if they felt they needed shelter. So, I emptied a pocket, grabbed a pocket holster for my P365 (I recently tried it out for pocket carry and the holster was on the nightstand), dropped my P365 in my pocket, and grabbed my home defense pistol (a 1911) and phone. I went downstairs to turn off the downstairs lights, and just as I was about to dial the police, the police (about half a dozen) show up. A couple started walking towards my door, thinking they were coming to me to ask what I saw/heard I started to open my door, but thought the better of it when I noticed that they had guns and lights drawn and they were double timing it a couple houses over (they were approaching my townhouse so not to walk directly on a particular house).

I won't give a play by play, but as I occasionally checked out the windows (for seconds at a time, putting myself at an angle so not to silhouette myself in the window) I saw at one point dozens of cop cars and an ambulance, and I saw when the ambulance eventually drove off. My brother on the other hand (he is here) would open up the curtains to look outside from the first floor and started texting on his phone, which of course lit him up quite nicely. When I told him not to do that, he made fun of me for being paranoid. About 30min in, a couple neighborhood kids went outside and were recording the cops (still searching in a grid pattern it seemed), and the teacher in me kicked in and I went out to tell my neighbors (HS and MS aged) to go inside (and they did), and when I did so I saw that quite a few adults were outside trying to figure out what was going on. Texting neighbors, I learned from one of those who were outside talking that another neighbor across the street heard the neighbor that lives 3 townhouses from me yell "get out of my house" (apparently what sounded like arguing to me) and then the gunshots. No one really knows if it was the homeowner who did the shooting to defend herself and her home, the intruder doing the shooting, if they exchanged gunfire, or if it was something else. When I last texted one of the neighbors who were outside, the news was that the ambulance left with a victim (wounded or dead, I haven't heard) and the police were still searching for a shooter.


What have I learned:
  • Trust your gut. My gut told me something was wrong (unless my mind is now playing tricks on me, but I'm pretty sure I thought this at the time I saw people in front of the house where I now know the shooting occurred). I can't tell you how many people they were, what ethnicity they were, what gender they were, or how they were dressed. I was in "condition yellow" and thought to quickly get inside, but I should have also been more observant to be a better witness (though none of the cops have yet knocked on any doors to talk to the neighbors to see if we know/saw/heard anything).
  • Always be armed (when legal). My parents are anti-gun, I was at their house, I know they wouldn't want me to bring a gun to their house (they've told me so), so I wasn't armed. Had I driven up 5-10min later, it would have been when the shooting was happening and if I was there at the time, things may have played out differently.
  • I may rethink my home defense set up. I've always said I had my CCW and a home defense pistol to get me to my Mini-14 if I had time to get to it. I had time to get to it and never did. I felt pretty comfortable with 10+1 rounds of 9mm in my pocket backing up the 8+1 rounds of .45ACP I had in my hand, but a carbine or shotgun would have been better if someone had come charging in. I may put my Mini behind my bed (or under it). I'm also rethinking my opposition to shotguns (fewer rounds, stiffer recoil, but a much harder initial hit). On the other hand, I had my CCW on me after I got home, and I quickly got to my home defense pistol, so I did some things right. Had the shooter (assuming the only shooter wasn't the homeowner shooting in self defense) come to my house looking for shelter, I may not have had a lot of time and I was ready.
  • People are stupid in a crisis. My neighbors gathering outside when the police were still looking for a shooter wasn't surprising, this is America in 2023. What was disheartening was my own brother lighting himself up in the kitchen window with his phone while the police were looking for a shooter, not just in the neighborhood, but on our block. Worse, he not only ignored me when I told him this was a bad idea, he thought I was "just being paranoid".
  • There is a lot you don't/won't know. When the shots rang out, the neighbors I've talked to (by text) and myself all thought the shooter had to be a criminal, gunshots in a safe residential neighborhood, had to be the aggressor. Now it appears that there is a chance that the shooter or one of the shooters was a homeowner defending herself (though we don't know that for sure either). The police mostly left (there are only a few still out there), but no one told us that it is safe, it may be, it may not be. I can't even tell you for sure how many shots there were as it took a moment to process. Also, the human mind fills in blanks (I already knew this as a psychology major, but it is different when you experience it). Write things down as soon as you know you are safe to do so, before your brain starts trying to fill in the blanks to make sense of things.
  • Those who say it can't happen here, well it can happen anywhere (well, I already knew that, but it is worth reminding ourselves of this). I live in a town that many publications rate as the safest city its size (just over 100K) in the country. It is a fairly affluent area, though not everyone who lives here has money (obviously).
 
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After sleeping on it (for a few hours anyway), a few more lessons I've learned:

No matter how comfortable you are with your gun, you will wish you had something more capable if something happens (and I wasn't the one actually in the shooting). After drawing my carry gun, I quickly went for the 1911 (S&W 1911SC) and eventually wished I had my Mini-14 or AR instead.

Contradicting the above, the handguns were the right choice in last night's situation. I had one handgun in my hands immediately (even if the Mini-14 was behind or under my bed, it would have taken a moment). In the time it took to get to the 1911 I could have had the rifle if I had it someplace more accessible, but that would have made it harder to have a hand free when I went downstairs to turn off lights, and to have a phone in my hands to be ready to call the police (which I didn't end up needing to do since they arrived by the time I got my last lights off, it didn't take long). The rifle may have put me in more danger, the cops were responding to shots fired (or the homeowner calling about an intruder plus gunfire), if they saw me through my window with a rifle in my hands it may have not gone well, but my 1911 in my hand would have been harder for them to see. Heck, once the cops arrived and I was a little less worried about a fleeing felon crashing through my door (maybe 10min after the cops arrived anyway), I felt OK putting my 1911 down and just having my carry gun in a holster. As far as capacity (something I've always been concerned about), there were only a few shots (whoever shot them) and the whole thing was over quite fast, the 13 rounds (12+1) I usually carry in my P365 and the 11 rounds I sometimes carry in it should be enough in most situations (something I already knew, but this is a reminder).

Keeping a hand free (see above), does have me thinking about reconsidering the whole weapons mounted light vs. handheld light. I prefer a handheld light, but that would have made turning off lights and possibly calling the cops more difficult. So, I went without a light. A weapons mounted light would have made one available if I needed it, and it could have stayed off if I didn't.

Given all of the above, I may switch out the 1911 with an 8 round mag to a higher capacity 9mm or .40. Maybe my CZ 75B (15 round mags), Glock 22 (I currently have MD restricted 10 round mags, but I've been meaning to head to VA for some 15 rounders*), my SIG P229 (.40, so 12 round mags), or use it as an excuse for a new gun.

*In MD, our mag ban is on selling/buying/transferring mags, not possession. It is completely legal to go to a free state, buy standard capacity mags, and bring them home.
 
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I am glad you and your family are okay. I have been in a few similar situations around my home and understand your thought process. I used to move around a lot for work every few years. A lot of times the area you move into isn’t as safe as it appeared.

Something to consider:
Capacity doesn’t necessarily mean accuracy. If you are a very accurate shooter with your current gun then maybe reconsider your tactics. Maybe the money you would spend on a new gun would be better applied to some quality defensive training.

Just a thought.
 
What have I learned
  • Always be armed (when legal). My parents are anti-gun, I was at their house
  • Those who say it can't happen here, well it can happen anywhere (well, I already knew that, but it is worth reminding ourselves of this). I live in a town that many publications rate as the safest city its size (just over 100K) in the country. It is a fairly affluent area, though not everyone who lives here has money (obviously).

To follow your advice...
That would mean in the future either meet parents somewhere else, ignore their wishes, or ignore your lesson.
Similar to being at your parents house, people will disarm for "entertainment" a concert, ballgame, or vacation outside the USA (in before incorrect rebuttal about living in "fear")
"Good" versus "bad" area carry is commonly posted on gun forums and it is typically to rationalize "less" if one perceives low threat / "good" area.

No matter how comfortable you are with your gun, you will wish you had something more capable

Ever see "better than nothing" posted? It is often used like it is a goal.
How about, "the ____ (small gun) you have on you is better than the ____ (larger gun) you left at home". I've repeatedly seen that.
Also seen multiple times: "I feel protected" which is near certain to be posted about a snub or pocket gun not a Glock 19 or similar.

To encourage what you said in my words, "Try to carry a handgun you would want to defend yourself with anywhere, everywhere".

I hope people heed your advice, but I'm not naïve enough to believe they will. ;)
 
I am glad you and your family are okay. I have been in a few similar situations around my home and understand your thought process. I used to move around a lot for work every few years. A lot of times the area you move into isn’t as safe as it appeared.

Something to consider:
Capacity doesn’t necessarily mean accuracy. If you are a very accurate shooter with your current gun then maybe reconsider your tactics. Maybe the money you would spend on a new gun would be better applied to some quality defensive training.

Just a thought.

I've been looking for training classes, especially being a teacher and we just had Spring Break (today is my last day "off"). The club I'm a member of has regular USCCA classes, but the more advanced classes are always at the end of the month. Being a teacher it is hard to take time off other than our scheduled "vacations" (the quotes here and previously are because I usually have a lot of work to do when students are off, the marking period ended just before break began and grades are due at the end of the week, and I'm planning a field trip with the other 8th grade team leaders, so it has been a working vacation). I tried to see about taking a few days and going to SIG Arms Academy, but the few days that were open didn't work with the days I was working on the work I needed to work on for my job. So, I'll do the classes at the local club in June.
 
When stuff hit the fan, the first thing you thought about was more capacity. :thumbup: If capacity wasn't a priority in your subconscious mind, you would have put the 365 down, not in your pocket.

It could also be said that "more" became a priority. More accuracy, more capacity, more back up (BUG), more cover.
 
To follow your advice...
That would mean in the future either meet parents somewhere else, ignore their wishes, or ignore your lesson.
Similar to being at your parents house, people will disarm for "entertainment" a concert, ballgame, or vacation outside the USA (in before incorrect rebuttal about living in "fear")
"Good" versus "bad" area carry is commonly posted on gun forums and it is typically to rationalize "less" if one perceives low threat / "good" area.

Yeah, I'm not sure how I'm going to make that work. I might lock my gun in the car when going to my parents house instead of leaving it at home. I've never been comfortable with the idea of leaving my gun in my car, but 1) my car has never been broken into (I'll be 53 this summer, I've been driving since a month after I turned 16), 2) I can use one of my CCW quick access safes cabled to a hard point under the seats to prevent smash and grabs. Work is tougher, I'm a teacher, unless your state allows it under their CCW laws (MD doesn't) it is a crime to carry any kind of weapon into a public school. I can't even take pepper spray or a Swiss Army Knife to work (I do have a "tactical pen"). Under a new law that MD is about to pass in reaction to Bruen, they are about to make about half the state "sensitive places" and off limits for carry, so it will get complicated (until the courts strike that down). Also, I had been ignoring no guns allowed signs (in businesses open to the public, a person's private home is different IMO). They don't carry any legal weight in MD. Well, when the new law takes effect they will, again, more complications.

Ever see "better than nothing" posted? It is often used like it is a goal.
How about, "the ____ (small gun) you have on you is better than the ____ (larger gun) you left at home". I've repeatedly seen that.
Also seen multiple times: "I feel protected" which is near certain to be posted about a snub or pocket gun not a Glock 19 or similar.

I shoot my P365 well, and I typically carry it with 12 round mags, so that is my minimum now. I will very likely retire my small framed revolvers as much as I like them. I may still use the smallest ones as backup. When driving it can be hard to reach my IWB carry gun, so I'm thinking a snub in my coat pocket in cold weather, or on an ankle in warmer weather, may be a good solution when driving. In fact, the reason I recently tested out my P365 for pocket carry was I was going to be in the car for a while, and some of it would be to go to a gun store I didn't know (I was putting 8 guns on consignment) and in an area where there are some parts of the area are questionable. So, I transferred my P365 to my pocket while in the car. I also suspect that I will carry my Glock 19 and my CZ PCR a bit more often (though the P365 will still see more carry time).

I had been thinking about actually breaking out my LCP and Pf9 for some carry time as the weather gets warmer. Yeah, that's not going to happen.
 
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It could also be said that "more" became a priority. More accuracy, more capacity, more back up (BUG), more cover.

This, no matter what I had, I wanted more. Obviously, carry or home defense, there are practical considerations, but even a belt fed auto wouldn't have felt like enough if someone actually crashed through my door.
 
Indeed. The reality of a situation like that just never crosses 95.3% of the gen pop's minds (or what passes for such these days!), so if/when it does happen, it literally 'does not compute'...

Glad you maintained situational awareness!
When I saw the teen neighbors outside recording the police activity on their phones, the teacher in me kicked in and I went out long enough to tell them (loudly) to get inside because we don't know if the police caught the shooters yet. These kids (African American) practically turned white, their eyes turned wide as saucers, they said "SHOOTERS?!" and RAN inside. They had no clue what was going on :(

I ignored the adults, they can fend for themselves (or more, they are old enough to make their own decisions/mistakes). But two women (in their 40s) must have thought I was talking to them, they said "that's a good idea, we're heading in". Um, in that situation, why does an adult need a reminder :what:
 
The concept of carrying the biggest gun you can reasonably carry is a theme in my own choice as well. I already have considered the fact that when in a emergency, we'll always think we're undercapable. My carry guns, expect for my Colt Cobra (which i'm finding inadequate for reasons) are all mid-size/full size. I prefer a combat practical handgun that is profiled enough in a way that you can conceal it. If you're up to it, you can conceal anything.

But I'm stuck in this split between "Do I want to carry this full/medium size handguns?" or go to something speciifcally smaller. I constantly worry about printing and once when I was carrying a Glock 21, I noticed my leather jacket slid up behind it and was showing the frame of the holster. Makes me very uncomfortable knowing someone observant enough could notice I have a big firearm on my back. My first gun I ever carried was a Glock 17, under a fitted flannel. Believed I concealed it enough but when bending down the shirt would come up enough that it'd expose it.
My standard choice right now is Glock 32. Medium size, practical enough for conceal carry but full size enough to be adequate for an encounter. But I still need to re-work how I do everything. Whether it's my pants, my belts, my choice of jacket, or my choice of holsters. Something needs to give.
 
The concept of carrying the biggest gun you can reasonably carry is a theme in my own choice as well. I already have considered the fact that when in a emergency, we'll always think we're undercapable. My carry guns, expect for my Colt Cobra (which i'm finding inadequate for reasons) are all mid-size/full size. I prefer a combat practical handgun that is profiled enough in a way that you can conceal it. If you're up to it, you can conceal anything.

But I'm stuck in this split between "Do I want to carry this full/medium size handguns?" or go to something speciifcally smaller. I constantly worry about printing and once when I was carrying a Glock 21, I noticed my leather jacket slid up behind it and was showing the frame of the holster. Makes me very uncomfortable knowing someone observant enough could notice I have a big firearm on my back. My first gun I ever carried was a Glock 17, under a fitted flannel. Believed I concealed it enough but when bending down the shirt would come up enough that it'd expose it.
My standard choice right now is Glock 32. Medium size, practical enough for conceal carry but full size enough to be adequate for an encounter. But I still need to re-work how I do everything. Whether it's my pants, my belts, my choice of jacket, or my choice of holsters. Something needs to give.

For me the best everyday gun is my SIG P365, at least for now. I am accurate with it, and I can get off quick and controlled follow up shots (especially with the 12 round mag and grip extension).

My Glock 19 isn't as accurate for me (I would term my ability with Glocks to be "combat accurate", good enough, but I'd rather be better than "good enough"). I have only recently started shooting Glocks, after more than 20 years of shooting other guns, the grip angle just isn't natural for me. Though, I may be a little quicker on the follow up shots than with the P365. For only 3 extra rounds, I usually go for the greater concealability of the 365, though when I get better with the Glock that decision may change and the proportion of time I carry each may swap or at least move closer to 50/50 (I recently bought a Glock 44 for cheaper practice so I can get used to shooting with the Glock grip angle more quickly).

My CZ PCR is my best carry gun for overall capability. I am more accurate with it than my P365 (I've had a full sized CZ 75 for 20 years), and being a little heavier than the Glock, I can get back on target even faster than my G19. Unfortunately, at 28oz, it is fine for a few hours to a day, but after more than 2 or 3 days my bad back and a 28oz gun on my belt or IWB don't agree with me. If I'd carry this day in and day out I'd have to shovel Advil into my mouth non-stop to make the back pain manageable.

Maybe I should give the P365X or P365XL a try.
 
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That had to be alarming.

I will not critique anyone's actions on the basis of a description that leaves undefined the layout, the locations, or other details, but I will offer some thoughts on a hypothetical situation.

The situation is that shots have been fired outdoors, the police are on the scene, and the shooters may still be in the area.

My first objective would be to minimize my chance of being injured by incoming fire from someone else's encounter, I would move away from windows and try to stay behind walls and heavy bookcases.

My second objective would be to be able and ready to respond in the very unlikely event that a violent criminal actor would decide to try to enter the house. I would observe the outdoor camera images. I would be armed--I always am.

My objectives would not include getting into a gunfight with people outside of my house.
 
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That had to be alarming.

I will not critiques anyone's actions on the basis of a description that leaves undefined the layout, the locations, or other details, but I will offer some thoughts on a hypothetical situation.

The situation is that shots have been fired outdoors, the police are on the scene, and the shooters may still be in the area.

My first objective would be to minimize my chance of being injured by incoming fire from someone else's encounter, I would move away from windows and try to stay behind walls and heavy bookcases.

My second objective would be to be able and ready to respond in the likely event that a violent criminal actor should decide to try to enter the house. I would observe the outdoor camera images. I would be armed--I always am.

My objectives would not include getting into a gunfight with people outside of my house.
This is a townhouse, my bedroom is on the 2nd floor facing the street, my bed is next to the window. I went down to the main level to turn out lights, I occasionally peeked out the window to see what was going on as stated in the 1st post, being careful about how long I was there, positioning and being concealed by angles and the curtain.

I definitely wasn't planning on shooting out of the house. If I had seen the shooter approach my house before the police came, I was prepared to shoot as soon as he (or they) came in the front door. Most of the time I was sitting in the dark on my sofa, the kitchen is in the front of the house, the living room in the back. Before the police arrived (and about 10min after) it was with my 1911 in my hand, after about 10min after the police arrived it was just with my CCW in a pocket holster. I did sometimes go back upstairs, but with my bedroom being in the front of the house, and the extra bedroom is basically storage at the moment, I mostly stayed in the living room. I choose not to go to the basement as there is a sliding door to the backyard there, and woods out back which might have been appealing to a fleeing shooter. If they broke in there, I'd hear them, I'd call the cops, and stay where I was armed (if an intruder came up the stairs I would have seen them before they saw me and I would have had a good angle to get off a shot if needed).

Right after hearing the gunshots, I moved away from the window in my bedroom (I was on my computer sitting on my bed) and immediately grabbed my gun and hit the lights so I wouldn't be backlit. Then I went downstairs to turn out the lights.
 
If your parents are that anti-gun, carry there anyway. They'll never know. I was carrying two pistols at my niece's yesterday for Easter, no one knew. (SWMBO probably figured I had one on me, as I always carry to church, as I am it as far as church security goes) Granted, no one would have cared I was carrying, and her brothers-in-law were out shooting one's new P320 when we pulled in (out in the country), scared the heck out of SWMBO.
Sounds like you did everything well, and your brother is an idiot.
 
excellent report chaim, thank you. i was in a couple of similar situations long ago that involved rioting and looting. training and “playing the hand one is dealt with” kick in. at that time i was in an antigun locale and all i had was a taurus 85 38sp revolver, plus a mossberg 12ga pump and h&r 410 single shotguns. all exterior lights were on and all windows & doors were secured, as usual. i retreated upstairs to wait out the gunfire across the street. i did see miscreants running by next door but didn’t engage them. i only carried the revolver moving about inside as: 1. i was way more practiced and comfortable with it. 2. a long gun was unwieldy inside.

your brother was correct: you were paranoid…healthy fear is a very good thing.

i would figure out a way to go armed in more places where it is not absolutely unlawful to do so. yes to a cable lock box in the car. yes to a naa mini 22lr revolver with larger grips or a keltec p32. what your parents don’t know, whether you are 12 or 52 years old, won’t hurt them.
 
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If your parents are that anti-gun, carry there anyway. They'll never know. I was carrying two pistols at my niece's yesterday for Easter, no one knew. (SWMBO probably figured I had one on me, as I always carry to church, as I am it as far as church security goes) Granted, no one would have cared I was carrying, and her brothers-in-law were out shooting one's new P320 when we pulled in (out in the country), scared the heck out of SWMBO.
Sounds like you did everything well, and your brother is an idiot.

I am big on property rights, so while I carry without thinking about it in posted businesses (worst that will happen is I'll be kicked out, and they aren't the owners home, they are open to the public), I don't carry into people's houses if they don't want me to.

As for my brother, I almost wish that was the case. He's incredibly intelligent, just most people really have no clue. He kept saying that with so many police, the guy is long gone. Probably true, but not 100%. Especially with how fast the police response was, the shooters/intruders could well have been trying to hide out or find a place to hide out (including possibly someone's home). It is much better to stay away from windows until it is over.

i would figure out a way to go armed in more places where it is not absolutely unlawful to do so. yes to a cable lock box in the car. yes to a naa mini 22lr revolver with larger grips or a keltec p32. what your parents don’t know, whether you are 12 or 52 years old, won’t hurt them.

I will move one of my two smaller quick access safes to one of my cars today, and buy another for the second car. See above re. property rights. However, it is true that they can't be too upset about it if they don't know. That might be one time it may be OK to carry the LCP. Most NAA revolvers are not legal in MD, I have thought about a P32 before this, and maybe as a backup gun and a fun range gun it may be worth buying.
 
When I saw the teen neighbors outside recording the police activity on their phones, the teacher in me kicked in and I went out long enough to tell them (loudly) to get inside because we don't know if the police caught the shooters yet. These kids (African American) practically turned white, their eyes turned wide as saucers, they said "SHOOTERS?!" and RAN inside. They had no clue what was going on :(

I ignored the adults, they can fend for themselves (or more, they are old enough to make their own decisions/mistakes). But two women (in their 40s) must have thought I was talking to them, they said "that's a good idea, we're heading in". Um, in that situation, why does an adult need a reminder :what:

You also don't want to be outside when the cops are looking for someone. Even more so when there is a K9 involved.

I see Sig now sells a 17rd magazine that works in all sizes of the P365:
https://www.sigsauer.com/p365-xmacro-17rd-magazine.html

Edit: Then add a Taran Tactical extended base plate & spring to it for a total of 20 (+1) rounds.
https://tarantacticalinnovations.com/tti-versatile-base-pad/
https://tarantacticalinnovations.com/tti-versatile-extra-power-spring/

You might get at least 2 of those. 1 use as your backup mag for carry & one to practice with.

I had a similar situation happen when I rented a townhouse in Illinois. I was siting in my living room when I saw a bunch of yutes run by outside. Turns out there was a guy barricaded in his townhouse across the street and kitty corner from my place. I eventually went out for a look as this was in the afternoon and no shots had been fired. It looked like every single swat team from every local town had converged on the area.

I skipped buying a house / living in the suburbs and moved straight to owning a house in the country. Now when I hear gunfire, it's usually my neighbors target practicing. Just yesterday I awoke from a mid day nap to the sounds of gunfire.
 
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One thing I'd file away for future reference is that 3 hours after the fact your adrenaline was finally subsiding enough to think clearly enough to make a post. Three hours of adrenaline and you weren't even in the fight or the one being attacked. Had you been the one attacked what would your shooting skills have been like?

You mentioned wanting further training. That's awesome. Try to seek out some training that will get your heart rate up and offer some degree of stress. Just my thoughts.
 
One thing I'd file away for future reference is that 3 hours after the fact your adrenaline was finally subsiding enough to think clearly enough to make a post. Three hours of adrenaline and you weren't even in the fight or the one being attacked. Had you been the one attacked what would your shooting skills have been like?

You mentioned wanting further training. That's awesome. Try to seek out some training that will get your heart rate up and offer some degree of stress. Just my thoughts.

When I heard the shots and got prepared, everything slowed down and I was able to slowly and deliberately take each step I took (I've been in emergency situations in the past and this was also my reaction). My hands didn't get shaky until I sat down in the dark waiting and had a moment to process. Unless I'm actually in a self defense shooting, I can't accurately predict anything, but I suspect I'll be OK.

My bigger adrenaline related worry is the immediate aftermath and what it does to your recall and perception of details. Your brain is rushing 100mph, and details get fuzzy. Other than identifying info, I will not talk to the cops if I'm in a self defense situation until I've called USCCA (or whatever company I'm using at that time) and talked to my lawyer, and then I'll talk to them with my lawyer present. We will be shaky on details, we may get facts wrong (were there 5 shots, 10, were some overlapping and it was quite a bit more... if I am in a shooting and I say I remember 5 shots and the cops find 10 pieces of brass...). While many of us may know that our brains fill in details without you actively trying to lie in order to try to make sense of the partial info it has (many of our memories are these not quite accurate pieces of info), and when the adrenaline surges you will miss details and facts, many people tend to immediately jump to the conclusion that you are lying if all of your statements don't line up 100% with what the investigations finds after the fact.
 
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