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Thanks for the correction.
New Remington Production Quality
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The Happy Kaboomer
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What you are showing is 3 Browning BPS's............Not a Remington in the bunch.
Well id trade him a new 870 for one if those....and id have to go buy the 870
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@Varminterror saved me allot of typing. As long as Ken D'Arcy is CEO of RemArms LLC they will get none of my money. The quality of the product does not matter in this decision for me.
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Pretty much it in a nutshell. A lot of us Baby Boomers either grew up in the field with an 870 or 1100 or the guy walking next to us had one. The Remington name is a part of outdoor Americana, sort of like Cabela`s ( how many folks who have done pretty much ANYTHING outdoors haven`t owned and used SOMETHING from Cabela`s? ). Maybe nostalgia, sure, but I think those who hope at least for a " new " , successful Remington could be forgiven!
Have no first hand knowledge, mind, but I`m seeing/reading pretty good reviews on the new Fieldmaster 870 ( better made gun than the Express model ) and rifles.
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Fans of the Remington Legacy shouldn't be so quick to forgive D'Arcy for gutting Big Green, and subsequently dancing around in a Big Green mask to prey on their nostalgia.
What happened to Savage? They spent some time under relatively gun-un-friendly management, and they bought themselves out of the chaos to retain their legacy as a customer focused manufacturer. What happened to Marlin? They starved on reducing sales until they had no choice but to be bought by Remington, and D'Arcy killed them too - but Ruger, famously an industry leader in customer service, is resurrecting the Marlin line. What happened to Winchester? They faltered, sold out their name to folks with a reputation for producing quality imported firearms, and they've earned back a small but standing market share. What happened to Bushmaster? They sold their small house to a mega brand, didn't like the direction, then bought the assets and retained production under a new name (Windham), while their NAME got burned alive in the House of D'Arcy, until now the brand name ONLY has been picked up by some small house who is also trying to capitalize on a legacy name, without any actual ties to Bushmaster, and they're struggling for it... There are examples of how companies have rebounded from struggles, and there are examples of crooks trying to capitalize on defaults...
D'Arcy and Rem Arms don't deserve the forgiveness of Remington fans.
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Riomouse911
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Whoops. You are right, the fuzzy pic wasnt clear on my phone
. 28, 16 and 20 ga BPS are in that pic.This is the one I thought I posted
And a side by side picture.
Stay safe.
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That`s an interesting potential conundrum. In order to hope for the continued existence of the Remington brand, we would have to " forgive " the man who ran them into the ground? How about we hope for Remington`s success " in spite of " Ken D`Arcy. Is that possible? Not trying to argue a point, by the way.
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What I would say makes the most sense - Give attention to those which deserve it. If D'Arcy fails Remington again, then someone else gets a deal on the new business (he's building a pump and dump scheme - if it will grow, then he'll grow it far enough to have its own momentum, then sell it and move on to scavenging some other company - that's his process). Better, instead, to acknowledge the better companies in the game, even the better companies doing better with the R700 design than Remington ever did. Bergara is building R700's better than Remington ever built. Seekins, Aero, these 3 are all doing R700's better than Remington... companies which are firearms industry focused and supportive of shooting sports and sportsmen... Savage and Ruger are doing more for the sporting arms market than Remington has done in the last 30yrs.
Are we really supposed to ignore silver-tongued marketing speaking out of both sides of their mouth? When they formed the new company, they bailed on the AR-15 platform to avoid political pressure due to the court affirmed liability of the former Remington company advertising AR's to children, and claimed the new company was only meant to produce sporting arms, especially those for hunting.... I've hunted many different game species on 3 continents and over half of the states in the Union, but I can't put my finger on the hunting use for the Remington Tac-13... Back to pushing the same "Tactical" labeling they said, only a year ago, wasn't aligned with their vision for the new company...
Why do we "hope" for Remington's success? Remington - as the company which earned their reputation - is long dead and gone. The guy running it now laid off hundreds or thousands of American workers who had built the firearms which earned that reputation, just so he could divest capital and compensate investors. Why would we hope for his success? He's hired new work to make a new product which is a copy of the original design - if it were a Chinese company doing this overseas, would you "hope for their success" in the US market? Are we really meant to be excited by the fact there's an R on the box, which is only there because he bought the rights to the designs and trademarks for pennies on the dollar after he'd devalued the company for years?
I miss real 870's and R700's as much as the next guy, but I'm not going to pump money into his manipulative investment scheme just because of a logo.
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Riomouse911
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My Grandfather fired quite a few of those at turkeys over the years.
Are the hulls themselves purple? I recall a few brands of 16 ga shells being purple. (And black, and red, and green, etc.) 20’s almost always were/are yellow.
Stay safe.
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Lol, considering the numbers of both of those in use today, there`s a lot of truth to that!
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the distributor that the local pawn shop uses has 700 adls on sale for 550. one in 243 is on the way...
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They live on in the pages of Gunbroker.
Unabashed Remington fan with about a dozen among myself and my two boys. All but one made prior to the decline and that one is an Express that responded to my experienced Remington tuning hands.
50's, 60's and 70's 870s, a fiver of 1100s and all in regular use.
I saw a few new ones and they look and feel like the old ones. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
In fact, I'd like to buy two receivers as a couple of heavily used trap models have developed cracks behind the ejection port.
I like Marlins, also, and mine are all JMs.
50's, 60's and 70's 870s, a fiver of 1100s and all in regular use.
I saw a few new ones and they look and feel like the old ones. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
In fact, I'd like to buy two receivers as a couple of heavily used trap models have developed cracks behind the ejection port.
I like Marlins, also, and mine are all JMs.
I'd argue that there's a very large number of folks who collect, shoot, and love Remington Rolling Block rifles. And quite likely many more than those others you listed. The Rolling Block rifles were produced in larger numbers than almost any other gun ever built, and sold to a large number of foreign militaries as their primary weapon. AAnd many are still being shot today after over 150 years! I own a couple dozen of them, and shoot them all still.
New Rem Arms is a far cry from the company that built those Rolling Blocks.
Cool guns, tho ive not yet seen one in person.
Im one if the 700/870 guys. My first centerfire was a 700 BDL 30-06, and my favorite pump gun so far was an 870.
Personally, I could see buying an 870, but it stated there's too many better options for a 700 typed gun than a Remington.
Actually the Alpha 1 looks kind of interesting..... Again though, in that price range here there's a lot of options
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10,000 people seems like a “very large number of folks” if they all came over for supper. But 10,000 people isn’t even within the volume of rounding error for the US population. Arguing that the Rem Rolling Block fans is a significant percentage of the R700 fan base is spitting into the ocean.
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D'arcy (through his buddy at Roundhill LLC) bought the Ilion facility (and a small plant in TN) for $13M out of the bankruptcy that ended Remington and setup RemArms LLC.
As most of us know RemArms is currently in the process to shutting down the Ilion facility and moving everything to LaGrange, GA. Shut down is expected around March 4 2024.
Now Rem Arms is trying to sell the Ilion plant with, what I am assuming is minus some moderately larger percentage of the equipment, for $10M.
Good luck with that...
If anyone is interested: https://www.crexi.com/properties/1403254/new-york-14-hoefler-ave
As most of us know RemArms is currently in the process to shutting down the Ilion facility and moving everything to LaGrange, GA. Shut down is expected around March 4 2024.
Now Rem Arms is trying to sell the Ilion plant with, what I am assuming is minus some moderately larger percentage of the equipment, for $10M.
Good luck with that...
If anyone is interested: https://www.crexi.com/properties/1403254/new-york-14-hoefler-ave
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I have a 1927 Winchester model 12 , chambered in 12 gauge 2 3/4, and a 48 Fox Savage B 12 gauge side by side.. anybody got a problem with those? 
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Not to mention, Georgia is giving Rem Arms $6 Million in incentives to relocate the HQ, based on the promise of converting their temporary operation into (relative) permanence.
It might even be worth noting - RemArms doesn't even own rights to the name "Remington." The trademarked name sold to Vista with the ammunition division, and is only licensed back to RemArms - and if CSG or any future owner of the Remington ammunition company doesn't want to continue the license, then "Remington Arms" won't even be "remington" any more....
