New Sig P365 Failure

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My pin is machined a bit different, but more importantly, it also has a spring on the chassis to hold the pin in place. It snaps into the groove on the pin, which has one on both ends so you can insert it either direction. Maybe they forgot to install the spring to hold the pin.

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Well, poop. Thanks for this thread and the pictures. Mine too is missing this little spring. I just bought and shot today (October 27). After 60-70 rounds of Sig 365 ammo that pin walked out to the right about halfway. I emailed Sig...I guess I'll have to send mine back too. Mine was built 20 October 2018.
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You can get a lemon even in a Rolls Royce. And that has always been true. It's a PITA when it happens, but it does happen.

In the early 80s, I got a new gun from S&W, a model 27, that wouldn't work at all. the hammer would not come all the way back, either DA or SA.

I sent it back, and three weeks later I got it back and it felt and shot like a custom shop gun. I still have it.

PITA, but they made it right.
 
Well, poop. Thanks for this thread and the pictures. Mine too is missing this little spring. I just bought and shot today (October 27). After 60-70 rounds of Sig 365 ammo that pin walked out to the right about halfway. I emailed Sig...I guess I'll have to send mine back too. Mine was built 20 October 2018.
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I was just reviewing my video from the range and I notice that the pin walks out much earlier than I had first noticed (that's scary in itself). It was more like 20 rounds.
 
Most of the issues with guns missing pieces and shoddy workmanship can be traced to what I call "Corporate Capitalism".

It is the prevailing attitude among companies these days that profits above all else reigns supreme. You can make $10 producing and selling 10 high-quality widgets, or you can make $15 producing and selling 12 mediocre-quality widgets.

Profit is the golden calf. Brand names that used to mean quality and pride are now whored out by corporations.

I actually used to work for Ruger. I ran a CNC machine making parts for P-Series and SR-series of pistols in their Prescott, AZ plant.

It was a temp agency job. ALL positions at the Ruger plant involving manufacturing pistols start as temp agency jobs. I was going through a divorce and quit my six-figures job in insurance to prepare to relocate to Idaho. I needed something low stress and blue-collar, so I was hired through SOS Staffing as a CNC operator. Had I ever actually operated a CNC machine before? Nope. I was a corporate claims adjuster. But I scored high enough on the skills test to qualify for the highest-paying position on the floor. I made $11.50 an hour.

Lower scoring temps went to the firearms assembly line. The lowest scorers went to the finishing and polishing department. $8 an hour. In 2012.

I started on a team of about ten guys. Seven of those guys were Mexican immigrants. One was a former black gang member from Chicago. Another was a typical white kid.

My supervisor was a guy my age. He'd been with the company for three years.

That place had the highest turnover I'd ever seen. I left after 3-4 months since I had my affairs in order and was ready to move. Two people on my team were still there when I left. Supervisor left as well. We worked 5 or 6 ten hour shifts standing at machines just constantly loading and unloading parts. I think I started out making trigger transfer bars for the SR9. I did some slides later, and sights.

After a 6-month probation period, Ruger would then offer you a permanent company position. You got a $.50 an hour raise and health insurance.

Management at the plant was actively hostile towards employees. Some of the most ineffective, caustic, mean-spirited, and idiotic management I had ever seen. Guards patrolled the plant; on the inside. They were there to keep the employees in check and we had to go through a metal detector and have our lunch boxes searched going in and out of the plant. It was a very dehumanizing place with very, very low morale.

One thing that happened while I was there really stood out to me as far as how pride in workmanship has fallen.

I was working a machine that was making the rear sights for the P-Series pistol. I noticed that the 2-dots on the rear sight were not centered perfectly on the notch cut out. They were shifted to one side. I double checked my settings on the machine and they were perfect.

I inspected the sights and noticed that some sights were perfect and others were off to the left and others were off to the right. I called over my supervisor who double-checked the setting. Then he watched me load the sights into the fixture (billet steel base that the parts are affixed to while being machined), watched me operate the machine, then checked the sights and again found a few that were off. Made no sense since on a CNC machine, if one part is off, then ALL parts on that fixture should be off.

He called Quality Control. They came in and did the same process. Halted production for the part and I worked on another machine making different parts for a couple of hours.

QC came back and said they determined that the billet steel fixture that held the sights in place was worn out and was allowing the off-center sights. But they decided to just keep running it and sending out screwed up sights since it was too expensive to replace the fixture and the P-Series was being discontinued anyways.

These are the sights I was making...

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I have since tried to avoid purchasing any Ruger products produced at that plant. My father recently purchased a Ruger EC9s handgun. It has a great trigger and functions fine, but it is the least accurate sub-compact pistol I fired in a 3-gun shootout and had the worst finish.

Plenty of guys swear by Ruger handguns, but I worked there and saw the culture of cost-cutting and profits above quality mindset prevalent there.
 
I was just reviewing my video from the range and I notice that the pin walks out much earlier than I had first noticed (that's scary in itself). It was more like 20 rounds.

Did you see type of indentation these guns make on cartridge primers? It sppears this gun has a design flaw. People are already talking "Gen 3" on this thing and it's barely out the gate. I would not touch this with a flagpole.
 
Most of the issues with guns missing pieces and shoddy workmanship can be traced to what I call "Corporate Capitalism".

It is the prevailing attitude among companies these days that profits above all else reigns supreme. You can make $10 producing and selling 10 high-quality widgets, or you can make $15 producing and selling 12 mediocre-quality widgets.

Profit is the golden calf. Brand names that used to mean quality and pride are now whored out by corporations.
Wow, that is very interesting Trey. Reminds me when the Automobile manufacturing company was putting out faulty gas tanks that they new would explode, causing deaths but that stopping production would be too costly or more costly verse the payout in law settlements. I believe it probably exist with all of them, but I do think Ruger has become even worse. I have followed there Forums for years and they have constant problems with faulty products. My belief is that they will send out bad products with flaws,
Then, then the product sent to the consumer will be repaired and shipping paid for both ways. Great Customer service, however what do the bean counters know about how many will actually be called back for repair? It would only be a percentage. Cheaper to repair later to a small percentage.
I wonder if the Chinese could actually do better? I saw over many years, that given the correct specs and quality mgt. they can actually put out a fine product.

I also think Ruger is going down hill big time in their product line of Semi auto's. I believe they have found out, they can produce a cheaper made product, and that the consumer which now has millions buying firearms, actually do not shoot their firearms very much to begin with. I think they found this out with the LCP which did in fact sell millions. And I bet that 80% of the consumers that bought them put more than a few hundred rounds a year in them at the most. And it seems their new product line is going they way of that particular line.
Thanks for a very interesting eye opener of firearm manufacturing.
 
Did you see type of indentation these guns make on cartridge primers? It sppears this gun has a design flaw. People are already talking "Gen 3" on this thing and it's barely out the gate. I would not touch this with a flagpole.
You need to do more research on what are commonly called primer swipes. They are common in small guns and are a non factor. At this point in time my P365 has well over 4000 rounds and my co-workers and customers at the range where I RSO, have combined tens of thousands of trouble free rounds fired from their P365's. My second P365 is sitting my safe.
 
I was part of a group at my club that ran a thousand rounds out of the 365. Nice gun for sure. Not for me, for personal reasons, but regardless a nice gun. I did a review on another thread. I have no dog in this fight, only to say that this is in the Kahr manual.

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