North Dakotans: Action time again!!!

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Maybe i read it wrong, But lookslike a slick enough anti guner has a loophole no exemption for public gun range
 
if you refer to the public building part, that has been our law for many years. This law will allow CCW holders to carry in public buildings. Noone is trying to get a loophole against public gun ranges.
 
Is scheduled for committee hearing........01/30/09
08:30 AM, Government and Veterans Affairs
 
Wish I could make it out there next Friday, but I have a ton of classes (plus work) on Friday, and the drive from Grand Forks to Bismarck is a long one (especially if I'd have to get up and drive early enough to make the committee meeting!). I plan to get out there to testify in front of the House if needed to, though. :)

Also, tune in to Rob Port's Say Anything Radio this Sunday at 8PM on AM 1100 "The Flag" out of Fargo, if you can, as I am scheduled to be a guest on it, talking about the bill. If you won't be near a radio, you can stream the station from it's website: http://www.am1100.tv
 
Hearing was today, I think it went pretty well. I will post info here as soon as the actions page has been updated.
 
I think it went very well. I was surprised (and worried, at first) that the committee did not ask you or I any questions, but then grilled the opposition on many baseless points that they made.

Hoping for a Do Pass...
 
They did not vote on Friday, they will probably not vote on it until 2-5-09 when the committee gets together. This gives us time to comment on it.

Those of you who are backing this up in comments in the local papers, keep it up you are all doing a great job.

Thanks to those of you who testified at the hearing.

Email all committee members, especially if they are for your district and let them know your thoughts.

Their email addresses can be found by going here and looking for them by district or name.

Ask them to give a DO PASS without any amendments so that campuses don't get removed from the bill.

Government and Veterans Affairs - Meets Thursday and Friday
(R) Bette B. Grande - Chairman dist 41
(R) Randy Boehning - Vice Chairman dist 27
(D) Bill Amerman dist 26
(D) Tom Conklin dist 4
(D) Stacey Dahl dist 42
(D) Glen Froseth dist 6
(R) Karen Karls dist 35
(R) Jim Kasper dist 46
(R) Lisa Meier dist 32
(R) Michael R. Nathe dist 30
(D) Jasper J. Schneider dist 21
(D) Lonny Winrich dist 18
(D) Lisa Wolf dist 3

PS: I got an email this evening from a House member who said most do not check their voicemail through the legislative message center and email is better.
 
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I tried to bring this to everyone's attention by calling GunTalk today but found out someone beat me to the punch! What matters is that the word got out the Red River Valley. I have sent an email to my senator and representatives and asked them to support the bill and urge their fellow legislators to do the same. I will be contacting a few people I know to contact their legislators too. I plan to keep in touch. Keep up the good work!
 
Story on WDAY 02/02/09 6pm

I considered the story to be very one sided and negative towards our goal. I was dissapointed. WDAY said the hearing had more people against the bill than for it. The coments from one officer were particularly disturbing. Log on to WDAY and click the 6pm story but you will have to do it before monday of next week.
 
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Got to agree with bowhunting, the story was not very favorable to CCWers.

I will be sending a comment to them tomorrow to correct their statement that bars will be allowed under the bill. It restricts carry in places where "on sale" of alcohol is occuring, in other words bars. Offsale alcohol sales points will be allowed, in other words liquor stores or "package" stores.

Several (really all) of the comments from Thoreson and Boyer are exaggerations. Particularly what Boyer said about "plac(ing) deadly fire on anyone with a weapon." Hope he is ready for lawsuits when they shoot an off-duty cop, let alone a CCW holder. This is an issue of training.

Unfortunately, the comments about more against than in favor are true if you count only those who were present. If you count the emailed testimony, it was only one more against than for I think.

Practically all of their statements can be debunked by looking at http://www.concealedcampus.org/arguments.htm in just a few seconds.

As several have pointed out, they are using purely emotional arguments. I believe the legislators will listen to facts and reason over emotion and rhetoric.
 
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Here is a letter I sent to the editors of The Forum, Grand Forks Herald, and Bismarck Tribune as well as the newsdesk at WDAY. We will see if any print it. I am posting it here so we can call them out if they change it.

WDAY, Thoreson and Boyer not telling whole story on CCW


On their 2-2-09 6 PM newscast WDAY erred in saying HB1348 would allow “guns in bars.” HB 1348 will only allow guns in establishments that are OFF-SALE, in other words, liquor stores or “package stores.” Amendment 1 of HB 1348 specifically excludes “on sale of alcoholic beverages” from the places a concealed weapon permit holder can legally carry a sidearm.

During the newscast, Thoreson and Boyer throw out several emotionally based issues that cannot go unchallenged. They also inadvertently point out a flaw with their own current training.

NDSU security chief Ray Boyer states that they are trained to “place deadly fire on anybody with a weapon.” Even under current laws, this kind of training leads to “friendly-fire” deaths of off-duty police officers. In a state that has issued in excess of 10,000 concealed weapons permits, police should be trained to find out who is who before shooting. By assuming that campus police would shoot first and ask questions later, Boyer is either not properly preparing his officers or just not giving them enough credit.

Boyer insists that a shooting would never take place on a campus but still asks who would be liable if a permit holder shoots in an emergency situation. Current law already lays out when a person can or cannot be held liable. Perhaps he needs to research the laws he is sworn to uphold.

Cass County Chief Deputy Jim Thoreson makes a comment that permit holders are likely to have their guns stolen from them. Is this currently happening in areas of North Dakota where we are allowed to carry? If it is, I sure haven’t heard about it. Maybe that is due to the fact that concealed carry weapons are not visible, the very definition of concealed. If someone doesn’t know it’s there, how can they steal it?

Both Mr. Boyer and Mr. Thoreson indicate they feel that more guns in more hands “will make everyone less safe.” If this were true, why is North Dakota ranked as one of the safest places in the US every year? Is there not a dramatic proliferation of guns throughout our state? When has there ever been an example of a concealed weapons permit holder accidentally or intentionally harming themselves or another individual? While there are threats to personal safety in the state of North Dakota, concealed weapons are not one of them. Annual crime statistics show that rape and murder are.

Perhaps the most telling quote from either of these men was made as Thoreson asked, ”What is the real need for it?” This country was not built around the idea that we need to justify a right, it was built around the idea that a great need must be shown before denying a right. In this case we don’t need to guess what might happen. The individuals that already exercise the right to carry a concealed weapon in ND as well as those who legally carry concealed weapons on college campuses in other states have proven unequivocally that the lawful possession of a concealed weapon does not endanger innocent people.
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I removed personal info so they don't come dredging up stuff from here in the past. Don't want to make it too easy for them to pull up old comments and take them out of context.
 
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I've written my legislators in support of the bill, and gotten a positive response back from one so far.

WDAY always runs negative newscasting. I found that out personally when they ran a story on our proposed indoor shooting range. There were only two vocal opponents at the meeting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGUtGCJLws8
 
They must have been short on opposition, they keep showing the same lady against it saying almost the same thing.

How are things coming for the range lately?

I would love a place to shoot when visiting Fargo.
 
great work

i love this thread its a great way to stay in tune with your states 2nd rights .great work guys hoping things go well for all you guys in north dakota.
patriots in action:cool:
 
Nothing on the online versions of the newspapers as far as I can see. Boyer did make some comments about the NDSU security plan, but he didn't take time to address CCW.
 
Tribune wouldn't print it as it wasn't addressed only to them. Will have to see if the others respond. May have to resend to the Tribune alone.
 
They must have been short on opposition, they keep showing the same lady against it saying almost the same thing.

How are things coming for the range lately?

I would love a place to shoot when visiting Fargo.
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She was a nutcase, for sure, but there was one other lady that was crazy, too. After explaining the HEPA filtration that would take out 99.97% of all particles under 3 microns, she asked; "What are you going to do to protect us from the other .03%?"
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We're planning on breaking ground when the ground thaws, hope to be open in October. We could still use donations, though. The Urban Plains center really hurt the non-profits like us trying to get some of the big bucks.
 
I figured they would have voted yesterday when they had time set aside for committee work. The state website doesn't show any activity on it since the hearing. I will have to do a little digging and see what they are up to.
 
sounds like the committee is dsoing some amendments. Hopefully they are favorable. will let you know when I hear more.
 
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