Not into AR/AK/FAL Rifles, Battle Rifle alternatives?

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What WAS I thinking? I left out an obvious choice.

K31.

Nothing wrong with a .30-30, but if you ever need to buttstroke your enemy, you're in for some trouble ;)

Never seemed to slow down James Arness or John Wayne, haha.

Seriously though, you can do some damage with one of the old curved steel or brass butt-plates.

I'm not familiar with the MAS, but don't they lack a safety? From what I understand, it's basically a Mauser 98 action with a lot of really weird quirks. I think I'd rather have the original than a copy. That also goes for the Model 1917 Enfield in .30-06. Way too big and clunky for a bolt action battle rifle.

The Finn 39 is another good choice. Very accurate and well made. I think you'd be a lot happier with the workings of a Mauser or Enfield action though. I have never liked the feel of a Mosin action compared to the other too.
 
Whoops, nevermind. Looks like you were recommending a MAS 49/56, a semiautomatic, not the bolt action MAS 36. Still, I think I'd give anything French the big miss. Just my personal preference though.
 
I'm just gonna go ahead and say it... What about a Carcano? :evil:

Might as well get one of those last ditch Nazi 8x57 conversion Carcanos while you're at it, haha. I can honestly say that's the only firearm I've ever owned that I refuse to shoot.
 
Whoops, nevermind. Looks like you were recommending a MAS 49/56, a semiautomatic, not the bolt action MAS 36. Still, I think I'd give anything French the big miss. Just my personal preference though.
If you have never shot a MAS, you don`t know what the hell you are talking about, next to a Enfield it is one of the smoothest bolt action`s out there, & the MAS 49 & 49/56 is one bad azz AR............
 
If you have never shot a MAS, you don`t know what the hell you are talking about, next to a Enfield it is one of the smoothest bolt action`s out there, & the MAS 49 & 49/56 is one bad azz AR............


The MAS 49 & 49/56 is a bad azz Armalite Rifle? Que...?
 
Get an Enfield or a K31, buy the surplus ammo in as much bulk as you can find/afford, and get set up to reload.

Saw a very very nice Enfield with a spike bayonet for $500. Thought it was a little high, but it was not beat up or refinished, so who knows.

You would have a very hard time talking me out of my K31, and it would cost you some serious cash.
 
On the strength of many decades with the design, I too suggest the #4 or #5 Enfield.

Sporterized Enfields can be found for very low prices, but an untouched #4 or 5 is a highly-effective package just as it sits. #5 Carbines are attractive, and hence cost more than the longer #4.... but the #4 is not at all clumsy.

I recently bought an AS-NEW Canadian #4 in Reno for less than $300, absolutely unmarred in any way...I doubt that it was ever issued.

The problem for these rifles will be ammunition. Probably the Privi Partisan brand is the easiest and cheapest to find on the 'net, but mil-surplus .303 is pretty much a thing of the past. I handload for all my rifles, so my four .303s are no problem to feed. Once one earns the CORRECT way to use .303 chargers, the rifle is very quick to reload and can maintain a good rate of fire for long periods.

My vote: #4 Enfield.
 
I second the idea of a Lee-Enfield No. 5 Jungle Carbine. It's got everything the full-length No. 4 has -- 10 round capacity, slick bolt, fast reload, great sights, and a round that'll kill anything needs killing -- and it's short, light(ish), and very handy. Just add one of those rubber slip-on butt pads from a MAS 49 and hey presto, you've got the best non-auto fighting rifle ever made.
 
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It's not a bolt but it's not a semi-auto either. As some have suggested the Remington 7600 would be my choice, especially the 30-06 carbine version. Wicked fast and handy.
 
Another Mosin!

Caution...I own several...and would buy more if I had the money/opportunity.

There isn't really just one kind of Mosin. There are:

  • Run of the mill 91/30s.
  • Older, antique 91/30s (that don't require an FFL)
  • Finnish Mosins like the M39. Some of these are amazing shooters. You can get both wartime and 1960s/70s production. You can even find unissued 60s/70s - same gun, practically new.
  • The M38, a handier carbine
  • The M44 - same gun only with the bayonet

That's without getting into "cool to have" specialties like Dragoons, German capture 91/30s with German marks, other countries that copied it (even North Korea!), etc.

While a beat-up Mosin is the epitome of a bubba gun, they sure don't have to be. You can find some pretty nice Mosins, and the 7.62x54R is equivalent to a .308 or .30-06. You can find brass cases (alas, not at surplus prices) and reload for it, too.

My vote is get another Mosin :) You might enjoy Lapin's book.

Another solid choice is the Swiss K-31. Much better shooter out of the box + cool troop tag history. swissrifles.com is a good source. However, 7.5x55 is a little harder to find. Still, you can reload for it easily.
 
Have you ever considered one of the MAS`s, you can find them in .308 or the traditional 7.5 French, here is a pic of one of mine

Nice...German Dachsund in the background and a French rifle in the foreground :)
 
Another Mosin (Anytype) V.S. Marlin 336 V.S. Enfield (AnyType)

I want the pro's and con's of all of them.

Anything you can think of! :D
 
If you have never shot a MAS, you don`t know what the hell you are talking about, next to a Enfield it is one of the smoothest bolt action`s out there, & the MAS 49 & 49/56 is one bad azz AR............

I said I wasn't familiar with the MAS 36, not that I hadn't shot one. It's just been a long time, and I don't own one to go to the gun locker and check.

Sorry, I didn't like the way the rifle handled. Yes, the bolt was smooth, but the rest of the rifle handled like a warped 2x4. Kind of like some of the P14 and Model 1917 Enfields I've handled, except worse. Let's just say that I was much more impressed by the Mausers, Enfields and Schmidt Rubins I've owned, and just about any other rifle I've ever picked up. I'd rate it about like my Carcano or my Jap Type I, i.e., dead last.
 
I want the pro's and con's of all of them.

Anything you can think of! :D

Alright, here's the order I would put the three in:

1. Enfield : As I said before, I prefer the No.4 Mk.I. The Jungle Carbines are cool, but IMO, not worth the drastic rise in recoil. The full size No. 4 is a finely balanced and quick handling rifle.

Advantages:
-Fastest, Smoothest Bolt Action
-10 round magazine capacity
-excellent sights (especially the earlier pre * models with the micrometer rear peep)
-very accurate
-cheap (can still be found quite cheaply, expect to pay less than $300 for a decent example. Sporterized versions can be had for much less)
-extremely rugged. They've been carried all over the world, under any condition imaginable, and never failed to get the job done

Disadvantages:
-Hard to find ammo
-Hard to mount optics

2. Marlin 336: Levers are fun. I have several, though mine are all Winchester 94s. It's lighter and easier to handle than the Enfield, but doesn't pack nearly the punch.

Advantages:
-Quick handling, fast firing
-Decent Magazine Capacity
-Easy to find for a relatively low price
-Cheap, easy to find ammunition
-Easy to scope if you so choose.

Disadvantages:
-Relatively low power (.30-30). Limited to a maximum effective range of about 200 yds.
-Not as rugged as the bolt action, but should do very well as long as its properly cleaned and maintained
-Can jam if you don't do your part working the lever properly.

3. Mosin Nagant: Would be a distant third for me. Personally, I would much rather have a Mauser, even over a Finn M39.

Advantages:
-Rugged, built for peasants to operate with little or no training
-Powerful round, on par with the .303 British
-Easier to find ammo for than .303, not as easy as .30-30.
-You already have one, thus, you're quite familiar with its operation.

Disadvantages:
-Clunky action, by far the slowest of the three to operate.
-Accuracy issues. Finns are accurate, most others are hit and miss (with emphasis on the miss for many)
-Lowest magazine capacity of the three
-Worst handling characteristics of the three. May be more personal choice, but I don't like the shape of the stock or the balance of the rifle. Finns are better in this regard, but still no Enfield.
-You already have one, thus, you might want to try something different and broaden your horizons. Having two rifles in different calibers can also make it easier to find ammo when supplies are tough. You have twice the chance of actually finding something on the shelves that you can shoot.

That's my recommendation. I don't own a Nagant, and have never had a burning desire to get one other than the Finn M39. My Swedish M96 cured me of that.

I would be leery of the pump 760. They are rapid firing, but they are no where near the level of ruggedness of the others suggested. If you think a lever is going to have problems operating under adverse conditions, there's a lot more cheap easy to break parts in that pump than in a 336. I've never particularly liked the 740s, 760s, or their variants. It's a deer hunting weapon, not something for a SHTF scenario unless that's all you can get ahold of.
 
When ammo prices drop a bit, an SKS with Tech Sights.
The M-1 Garand, from the CMP.

The Enfield "Jungle Carbine" :) and large-ring Spanish FR8 Mauser carbine (safe for comm. .308) already Are "scout rifles", with decent irons sights.
If the new, much pricier Ruger rifle has any resemblance it's purely coincidental...;)

The pages of SKS rifles on Gunbroker has jumped from four to nine pages in the last three weeks.
Many list or are bid up to only $350-425: Not much at all above prices in Early '08, months before "that" election, and considering the panic right now, excellent.
 
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Heck, here I was about to put up my M59/66 with ammo can of 500 rounds of Brown Bear fmj on Gun Broker. It appears others have beat me to it. Drat
 
another option along the same lines of the No5 is the Enfield cavalry carbines/RIC carbines
 

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it not missing that's the way they were made. It's a Royal Irish Constabulary carbine.
They were converted by the British military from Cavalry carbines.
 
Hey Kick, I'm also not into AR-15's, SKS, AK-47 etc. Just couldn't get into them as, too me, they are souless beasts.

I like Garands, 1903A3's, Mosin Nagant, Lee Enfields and the like. So, yes there are others that think likewise. But I don't hold it against those that enjoy the aforementioned arms as they are our brothers.
 
it not missing that's the way they were made. It's a Royal Irish Constabulary carbine.
They were converted by the British military from Cavalry carbines.
Yes I know what it is, and yes it is missing, NO they were not built that way, yes they were CONVERTED from the Long Lee...........

I was joshing you......GOSH !
 
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