Ode to the .270 Winchester...

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I'm more of the camp of "the first hunting rifle that was really mine was a 270" so I like it mostly because of that haha.
Well, I personally could give a crap about all the ballistics comparison, and since I did grow up with a .270 as my first bolt-action scoped rifle (our elders tended to start us kids off for our first deer camp with a .30-30 lever gun) which was pretty darn successful through many a Mid-Western deer season, I have a deep and abiding fondness for this cartridge. 'Course we all wanted a .30-06 when we grew up, but I later realized that for hunting whitetails in the swamps, on the farms and in the woods never needing shots exceeding 100 yards (and that would've been a long shot back then), a .270 was a great choice and extremely effective for our kind of hunting.
 
I just keep seeing "The Porsche Guy".

With his Porsche keyring hanging out of the pocket of his Porsche leather pants.
Wearing a Porche emblazoned t-shirt. Under his Porche leather jacket.
Sitting on a seat with the name Porsche embroidered into the head rest.
Gripping a leather and wood steering wheel with red and black stripes and a tiny pony in the middle.
Sporting huge, "Yeah, man. I'm a fighter pilot." sunglasses.

Blaring "Rock you like a Hurricane!" from the sound system...


… of his 1984 Pontiac Fierro.


And a license plate that says "270 BOI".

:p


Yeah, it beats walking. But not by much...:)
 
Always remember that a .270 is simply a neutered .30-06

Not according to my father in law. He has told me 200 times about how a 270 is deadlier than a 30-06. He thinks it is the most potent cartridge there is up to a 338 win mag. He goes on and on about it ad nauseam. I refuse to hunt with mine anymore lest I give him the satisfaction.
 
And the .280 is better. Period.
Not according to my father in law. He has told me 200 times about how a 270 is deadlier than a 30-06. He thinks it is the most potent cartridge there is up to a 338 win mag. He goes on and on about it ad nauseam. I refuse to hunt with mine anymore lest I give him the satisfaction.
I have a buddy like that who says the same thing about the 7mm-08, but then insists his 7mm Mag is a great elk gun. I'm like, you realize your 7mm Mag with the factory ammo you're using, is the same gun as my 7mm-08 with my handloads at 500 yards right? LOL No amount of logic or facts will convince him. There are just fanboi's out there who need something to cling to I guess.
 
And the .280 is better. Period.

I have a buddy like that who says the same thing about the 7mm-08, but then insists his 7mm Mag is a great elk gun. I'm like, you realize your 7mm Mag with the factory ammo you're using, is the same gun as my 7mm-08 with my handloads at 500 yards right? LOL No amount of logic or facts will convince him. There are just fanboi's out there who need something to cling to I guess.

Funny you should mention that. The load that he has been shooting in it for 20 years is a factory federal 150gr RN which has a BC of .261. I will say that bullet is legitimately very very terminally effective at our normal 75 yard hunting ranges as you would expect from a round nose soft point, but you can see that noticably degrade even at 150. Well anyway he once shot a buck at a known distance of 400 yards with it by just holding at the top of its back and letting her fly. Ever since that day he never stops talking about it, and credit where credit is due it was an amazing shot especially since he had no idea what the drop should be at that range. Here is the kicker though. If you do the ballistics math on that load which is right at 2800 fps muzzle, and 1.5" high at 100 zero, he should be 32" low at that distance, so basically there is now way he had enough hold over for that distance and he should have shot under it, but luckily he must have pulled the shot high and made the hit.

Now the funny thing is he has often told me my 25-06 is underpowered and is only suitable for 100 yards or less, but if you also do the math for both guns mine has more energy at like 80 yards and at 400 yards mine has nearly twice the energy.
 
Funny you should mention that. The load that he has been shooting in it for 20 years is a factory federal 150gr RN which has a BC of .261. I will say that bullet is legitimately very very terminally effective at our normal 75 yard hunting ranges as you would expect from a round nose soft point, but you can see that noticably degrade even at 150. Well anyway he once shot a buck at a known distance of 400 yards with it by just holding at the top of its back and letting her fly. Ever since that day he never stops talking about it, and credit where credit is due it was an amazing shot especially since he had no idea what the drop should be at that range. Here is the kicker though. If you do the ballistics math on that load which is right at 2800 fps muzzle, and 1.5" high at 100 zero, he should be 32" low at that distance, so basically there is now way he had enough hold over for that distance and he should have shot under it, but luckily he must have pulled the shot high and made the hit.

Now the funny thing is he has often told me my 25-06 is underpowered and is only suitable for 100 yards or less, but if you also do the math for both guns mine has more energy at like 80 yards and at 400 yards mine has nearly twice the energy.
Smile, and nod.......

My wife's whole family shot .270s at one point.

I catch crap from the .270 crew here because I shoot mostly magnums, or odd ball cartridges. My .375 garnered me some ribbing last trip home, and the only gun I've had that I didn't catch some crap for was my 7 mag. Same with growing up, tho I did catch crap about my 7 then.

Admittedly, the .270s about the perfect cartridge for the type of game and hunting we do here.

Granted I'm pretty fanatical about the 7 mag, and would happily argue it's merits against any other small bore cartridge. So I do understand where it comes from.
 
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Ode to the .270 Winchester...

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"The .270 is James Bond in a brass suit—
smooth, sophisticated, pin-point accurate, and deadly. It’s everything a hunter needs in a rifle cartridge and nothing they don’t.
No wonder it is so popular and loved around the world."

- L.J, Bonham -


"Truth is incontrovertible.
Panic may resent it. Ignorance may deride it. Malice may distort it.
...But there it is"

- Winston Churchill -​



GR
 
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"The 150 grain Partition is a truly outstanding bullet.

A key factor to extracting this performance is to ensure hand loads are running at muzzle velocities of 2900fps or higher. This projectile is spectacular when used on light game, absolutely emphatic on heavier animals of up to 150kg. On heavier animals up to the size of Elk, the 150 grain Partition is one of the best bullets available in .270 caliber. For a long time I have debated this internally. The .270 is in some ways a light cartridge for large bodied game, it is certainly lighter than a 7mm Remington Magnum loaded with the 160-175 grain Partition or a .30-06 loaded with a 180 grain bullet.

For many years, I preferred to ere on the side of caution and recommend the Barnes in the .270 for use on tough game. Yet after many years and having seen many tough animals downed with the violent wounding Partition, this bullet still proves its merit with an ability to produce wide wounding and deep penetration on large bodied deer and tough wild boar with armor plated shoulder shields. Furthermore, this performance can be pushed out to considerable ranges, down to impact velocities of 1800fps although wounding is at its most violent at 2200fps and above.

My one concern with the Nosler 150 grain Partition is that it can be so good, that it can lead to over confidence in the .270 cartridge. Similar notes of this nature can be found in the 6.5x55 text. Sometimes, when a bullet performs extremely well, there is a risk of eventually pushing a cartridge beyond its limitations. Therefore, it is recommended that while great performance can be expected from the 150 grain Partition on large bodied medium game, hunters should exercise circumspection."
- Terminal Ballistics Research -

"Truth is incontrovertible.
Panic may resent it. Ignorance may deride it. Malice may distort it.
...But there it is"

- Winston Churchill -​



GR
 
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Many differences between .270 Win, .280 Rem, 6.5 CM, 30-06, .308 Win, and 7mm-08, among many many others, are theoretical.

Show me how any of these theoretical differences are factual differences on live game.

Then maybe I will drink that KoolAid.

Yep.

In a 22" rifle, there's maybe a 10% discrepency in energy and a 10% discrepancy in bullet drop, maximum, between the half-dozen the cartridges you mentioned. Caliber wars over such minute differences get boring fast.
 
The 270 works fine for hunting. The reasons I prefer the 7-08 is accuracy, 7-08 is a very successful competition cartridge. The .270 has a reputation for sub par accuracy and no one has made it shoot at the level of some other popular cartridges. The other thing is 7 MM bullets are a little better on bigger game. And it fits in a short action. The differences are pretty minor for hunting ranges though. I don't think there is a huge reason to prefer one over the other or other popular cartridges. Neither one is that much faster or flatter than the parent cartridges with comparable bullets. A lot of that is myth and hype.
 
Ode to the .270 Winchester...

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"This cartridge is also one of my wife’s favorites, the others being the 7mm Remington Magnum and .35 Whelen.

Steph took over 900 head of game with the .270 loaded with 150 grain projectiles

(mostly the 150 grain Hotcor) before moving to the 7mm RM - purely for longer range experimentation.

The excellent performance of 150 grain .277 bullets hand loaded to high velocity cannot be emphasized enough.

Both the annealed SST and Partition are effective and spectacular killers on a wide range of game, being neither too stout for game weighing as light as 20kg (45lb) nor too soft for larger medium game. Debate will always be rife as to how large an animal the .270 is adequate for. Physically, the .270 is “adequate” for just about any animal that walks the planet.

It is no big feat to drop a large bovine in its tracks with one shot to the neck or head, using Barnes style bullets. However; for ordinary chest shots, the .270 is really at is best when used on light to large medium game including Elk or Sambar as a sensible upper limit within the expectations of consistently good performance.

The .270 really is a very straight forwards, reliable and often spectacular cartridge, suitable for well over 90% of the worlds game species."
- Terminal Ballistics Research -


"Truth is incontrovertible.
Panic may resent it. Ignorance may deride it. Malice may distort it.
...But there it is"

- Winston Churchill -
 
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Ask Garandimal what he thinks about the 270 win vs the 6.5 Creedmoor. He'll crunch the numbers in his favor on the 270 side...

Ron Spomer already did that... Twice.

So did L. J. Bonham.

Why pile on.

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"Truth is incontrovertible.
Panic may resent it. Ignorance may deride it. Malice may distort it.
...But there it is"

- Winston Churchill -



GR
 
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I wouldn't say no to a .270 if I inherited one. Until then, I'll have to make do.
 
Well it would appear that my self esteem has hit a low spot. I will weld my cheek to the stock of any caliber rifle that will take game humanely. I am a caliber floozy!
I might have to stalk in close, I might have to utilize range estimation, or some other outdoor sportsman skill I should probably already have honed before the hunt and call myself a hunter. I find variety in hunting styles and techniques challenging and entertaining and choosing a caliber to do it with a very small part of the main plan. They all kill game cleanly when used properly. Just reach in and grab one from the gunsafe and adapt and overcome with your skill set and have fun with it. A better cartridge is really a subjective idea as far as I'm concerned.
Opinions vary .....
I'm entitled to mine so think what you like. You're not going to change mine.
 
My favorite centerfire rifle is a LH Winchester Model 70 with the pre-64 controlled feed action. It is the only wooden stocked gun I hunt with and it will consistently put three bullets into a touching cloverleaf at 100 yards. It was one of the very last guns that left the New Haven factory before Winchester closed their doors. I knew I was going to buy it the minute I saw it on the dealer’s table.

It shoots .277 bullets. I wouldn’t love it any more if they were .308 bullets.
 
Garandimal, you’re a hard guy to figure out. You post this thread that says the 270 W is the greatest round ever, but on another thread you just started you discuss the 6.5 CM and 140 gn Bullets being considered for your next rifle because it has 25% less recoil than the 270. About a week ago you started a thread about the 6.5 CM and 125 Partitions and said the CM and 140 gn bullets was inferior to the 270.

What are you trying to say?
 
I will say, I always found it odd how alot of different print media have spoken
about the inaccuracies of the 270 Win over the years. I've seen a few articles online as well about "why the 270 Win has such a history of being inaccurate." One went on to say the reason is where other rounds double as hunting/target rounds that the 270 Win is strictly a hunting cartridge so the same time is not taken making the rounds tediously consistent like other rounds.

I find this odd because I have owned 4 different examples myself, my father has one, a few friends have their own, a couple guys I hunt with do too, all the rifles chambered in 270 Win that I've shot or witnessed being shot have been VERY accurate. Especially by hunting standards. The worst I've seen (a Rem 700 of mine) shot 1 1/4" out of the box with factory fodder ammo. One guy I hunt with has an old Ruger 77 that he never cleans and does not take care of at all, the gun shoots less than an inch with 130gr Core-Lokt everytime I've seen it shot.

Have I witnessed alot of rare specimen? Are they usually inaccurate or is that just haters with illogical hate for the 270 Win? It seems to draw a lot of hate for sure.

IM SURE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE WHO CONSTANTLY BRAG ABOUT HOW AWESOME THEIR 270 WIN IS THAT BRINGS THIS HATE OUT. Lol
 
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