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Recall campaign in Colorado
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Just a quick update, nothing really new happening with the Giron recall. Still collecting signatures, things appear to be going well. Walmart has kind of eased up, signature collections at the edge of their parking lots are OK. Lots of yard signs and other notices going up, it appears Giron has ticked off some more people with her bills on tuition and drivers licenses (***?) for illegals ("but they're driving anyway...."). Some interesting letters to the editor in the paper this weekend, several folks asking how a "selfish minority" could demand that the district spend money for a recall, one good letter asking the whiners if they thought that $250,000 was too much to spend to save their 2A (and other Constitutional) rights. Updates as I get them.
.455_Hunter
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I live in Hudak's district and signed her petition about 10 minutes after they started collecting signatures, plus providing $$$ to the cause.
Its really unfortunate about what happened here in Senate District 19. As many of you know, the most egregious of the new laws (UBC & 15+ round mag ban) passed the Senate by ONE vote. Take a look at the following numbers, noting that Lang Sias was a strong pro-2A supporter and LTC in the Colorado Air National Guard.
State Senate District 19
100% reporting ( 59 precincts )
Evie Hudak (Dem) 46.9% (34,359)
Lang Sias (GOP) 46.4% (34,027)
Lloyd Sweeny (Lib) 6.5% (4,823)
Yes folks, that's right. If Sias could gotten just a portion of Sweeney's votes, there is very good chance that we would be discussing how Colorado dodged a big one instead of how we have joined the list of "those" states, like NY, MA, CA and CT.
Thank you Lloyd Sweeney for ensuring a D victory in the 19th and providing the final vote for gun control in the senate!
Its really unfortunate about what happened here in Senate District 19. As many of you know, the most egregious of the new laws (UBC & 15+ round mag ban) passed the Senate by ONE vote. Take a look at the following numbers, noting that Lang Sias was a strong pro-2A supporter and LTC in the Colorado Air National Guard.
State Senate District 19
100% reporting ( 59 precincts )
Evie Hudak (Dem) 46.9% (34,359)
Lang Sias (GOP) 46.4% (34,027)
Lloyd Sweeny (Lib) 6.5% (4,823)
Yes folks, that's right. If Sias could gotten just a portion of Sweeney's votes, there is very good chance that we would be discussing how Colorado dodged a big one instead of how we have joined the list of "those" states, like NY, MA, CA and CT.
Thank you Lloyd Sweeney for ensuring a D victory in the 19th and providing the final vote for gun control in the senate!
A great and viable example of why standing on stupid principle and "voting with principle" only hurts you in the long run. That third party candidate stood no chance of winning and I'm willing to bet you every one of those 4823 votes are from 2nd Amendment supporters. The GOP ain't perfect by any means, but when this happens its just shameful.
HKGuns is 150% right. In the real world when we spit the gun rights vote it's the anti's that win. The Tea Party folks - which is a movement rather then a true political party - works to get main party candidates that support their views elected. They are usually Republicans, but not always. As a result the Tea Party is a force that's effective.
leprechaun50
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Just throwing this out there (not necessarily my opinion) that maybe the Republican party should pay a little more attention to the Tea Party. This could possibly keep the third party from being an issue.
ThorinNNY
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I wish you the best of luck in your recsll campaign in Colorado. We need to recall quite a few in NY, starting with Andrew Cuomo, Erik Scneiderman, Sheldon Silver and Dean Skelos!
Where Online option for recall sign
Is there a place to sign the petition online being in the effected area with Rouge Sen Morse, being my Sen , I really want him out he also signing into law an increase in Energy prices, Liability exposure for businesses all these things cost us Money, He Morse and Gang our doing allot more harm than attacking our 2nd Amd
Is there a place to sign the petition online being in the effected area with Rouge Sen Morse, being my Sen , I really want him out he also signing into law an increase in Energy prices, Liability exposure for businesses all these things cost us Money, He Morse and Gang our doing allot more harm than attacking our 2nd Amd
You have a good point. The answer is that when people get involved with a particular party (the Tea Party movement being an example) by doing "grunt work" for candidates they support, and get supporters out to vote they increase their influence over time.
I am by no means a 100% Republican (if they're is such a thing) but I will point out that at the state level no anti-gun rights legislation has been enacted where at least part of the legislature and hopefully the governor's office was controled by Republicans. Same can be said of the situation in Washington where it is generally acknowledged that anything that passed in the Democrat-controled Senate would die in the Republican-controled House of Representatives. As it turned out nothing made it out of the Senate, but this could always change given future events that are now unforseen.
I would suggest that the Republicans do recognize the importance of the gun rights vote to them, and suggest that anyone who thinks otherwise take the time to look up the "firearms" plank in each of the two major party's platform. They will find that they're is a marked difference.
Rancher5: There's no online option for signing the recall. It's got to be signed in person, in ink, and the Colo Sec of State will have to verify each and every name on the petition until they get to the required number. It's kind of pain, but I can see why they do it that way. Here in Giron country, the folks circulating the petition all have laptops or Ipads or whatnot, so they can check that you're a resident of the district, and can check how your name is "officially" registered with the State. That's important, because if you sign the petition with anything but your "official" name, it's counted as invalid. For example, the State of Colorado has me listed as "(first name)(FULL middle name)(last name)", and I've never signed anything but my enlistment paperwork with my full middle name, ever. But if I'd signed the petition with just my middle initial, it would have been invalid. Turns out that's what's caused a lot of citizen petitions in Colorado to fail in the past. And since the petitioners have to pay a fee to download each blank signature page, they also want to make sure every signature is going to be valid so they're not wasting $$. The whole operation is running on donations, of course. Anyway, I'm not sure who to put you in touch with for your district, but you might try contacting the local Republican party office or even call the paper and see if they can get you a name and number. Good luck.
Agree with this sentiment and also agree that the Tea Party is being done correctly. My Representative to Congress is a Tea Party member and he pulled off an upset win.
People are tired of politicians and hungry for leaders who stand for something.
leprechaun50
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You hit the nail right on the head.
MRH
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While I would love to see John Morse and the other anti-gun Democrats recalled, the reality is that their replacements would probably be worse. Example is the replacement for Morse would most likely be Mike Merrifield (the current mayor of Manitou Springs and member of the anti-gun mayors' group), who I consider to be much worse in a lot of things than Morse currently is.
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Radagast
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MRH:
This may be so, but in the end politicians are individuals seeking power and wealth for themselves. Once a recall has started they will watch to see the result.
If it succeeds then politicians across the nation will note that those individuals have lost their access to power and wealth.
If it fails they will discount the capabilities of the pro-gun community to influence elections and make future decisions based on that.
TL,DR:
A recall may or may not be a good idea, but once started you have to win.
This may be so, but in the end politicians are individuals seeking power and wealth for themselves. Once a recall has started they will watch to see the result.
If it succeeds then politicians across the nation will note that those individuals have lost their access to power and wealth.
If it fails they will discount the capabilities of the pro-gun community to influence elections and make future decisions based on that.
TL,DR:
A recall may or may not be a good idea, but once started you have to win.
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You guys made Fox News!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...face-recall-efforts-for-votes-on-gun-control/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...face-recall-efforts-for-votes-on-gun-control/
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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I wish you guys and gals the very best. The state of Colorado has let me down. I actually wanted o move to Colorado Springs at one point... If we non-Colorado folk can do anything, just let us know...
I finally have an update to post. Up until this week it's just been the usual collecting of signatures. Yesterday the recall for Morse in CO Springs was filed with the State, and they manged to collect nearly double the number of signatures they needed. The recall for Giron will be filed next Monday, and they've already got well over the number needed, but they're trying to build up a "cushion", because the local and State Dem leadership has already started challenging signatures and threatened a lawsuit. Fortunately the recall folks were very careful with checking signatures (see my earlier posts), and the Sec of State is a Republican with a lot of sympathy for the 2A community, so we ought to be OK for now. Unfortunately, the petitions for McLachlan in Durango and Hudak in Denver didn't collect enough signatures, but a 50% success rate isn't too bad for a state that has NEVER (until now) had a politician recalled. Now that things are moving again, I'll try and keep you all posted.
MagnumWill
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That's fantastic news. Way to go everyone, so far so good! The chance to get rid of two is better than none.
Jolly Rogers
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If the electorate doesn't even wait until the next election cycle to oust non-Representatives how does this look to the antis???
I hope it is terrifying.
Joe
I hope it is terrifying.
Joe
jumpstart
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Good news. Morse never did worked for Coloradoans, only his own only political aspirations with Bloomberg and his ilk.
I guess it's shaping up to be a big national battle. Giron here in Pueblo has already received over $70,000 from Dem groups in Denver and Washington DC to help her fight the recall election. They must finally realize there's a real threat to their interests here in CO. All the local papers are speculating that Morse at least will be getting lots of support from MAIG and that bunch, and I imagine Giron will before all this is over. My big concern now is that we'll just be snowed under with Dem party money (the recall group here in Pueblo only collected a bit over $11,000) unless we can get some big hitters in here (hello, NRA??). But even if we don't get Morse and Giron replaced, at least we'll have given them a good scare and made them spend money they'd probably rather use elsewhere. And, sadly, no matter what happens with the recall, our new anti-2A laws go into effect in less than a month.....
You are right in thinking that money spent on recall and primary elections is cash they can't spend later. And no matter what I don't think they will get far in getting signatures rejected. If it comes to a recall election I doubt many who signed the recall petitions will change their minds. There are some things money can't buy, and yes - what is going on in Colorado will be in the national spotlight.
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