Nico Testosteros
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Has he converted/flip flopped to favor 2A causes or is he still for the assault weapons ban and other silliness?
Romney and guns?
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Sam1911
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Let's leave off any discussions or accusations of liberal/conservative, or of healthcare, taxes, or any other political topic.
His record on GUN CONTROL is all we will discuss here at THR.
Thank you.
His record on GUN CONTROL is all we will discuss here at THR.
Thank you.
Sav .250
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What is his stance on guns/ownership ?
From: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mitt_Romney.htm
Mitt Romney on Gun Control
Click here for 8 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.
2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010)
GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008)
Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008)
I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007)
Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007)
Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007)
Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007)
Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994)
Mitt Romney on Gun Control
Click here for 8 full quotes on Gun Control OR other candidates on Gun Control OR background on Gun Control.
2008: "Lifelong" devotion to hunting meant "small varmints". (Jan 2010)
GovWatch: 1994: did not “line up with the NRA”. (Feb 2008)
Support the 2nd Amendment AND the assault weapon ban. (Jan 2008)
I support the work of the NRA, but disagree sometimes. (Dec 2007)
Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007)
Compromise MA gun bills were net gain for gun owner. (Aug 2007)
Supports Second Amendment rights but also assault weapon ban. (May 2007)
Will support assault weapons bill and Brady Bill. (Aug 1994)
IdahoSkies
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To answer check this out:
http://mittromneycentral.com/on-the-issues/second-amendment/
1. Says he is Pro-2nd amendment; but
2. Repeatedly says he would have signed the "assault weapons ban" had it come across his desk because it was worked out between the pro-gun/anti-gun groups.
3. Also states that he liberalized MA gun licenses laws by signing a MA "assault weapons" ban, because it included a loosening of licensing restrictions.
4. Consistently says there are some firearms that are to dangerous to own.
Kind of disappointing.
http://mittromneycentral.com/on-the-issues/second-amendment/
1. Says he is Pro-2nd amendment; but
2. Repeatedly says he would have signed the "assault weapons ban" had it come across his desk because it was worked out between the pro-gun/anti-gun groups.
3. Also states that he liberalized MA gun licenses laws by signing a MA "assault weapons" ban, because it included a loosening of licensing restrictions.
4. Consistently says there are some firearms that are to dangerous to own.
Kind of disappointing.
bikerdoc
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Romney has clearly stated his views in words and action.
Loosedhorse
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Not only did he sign the assaut weapons ban in MA, he said this:
The "sportsmen's groups" included many who were against the AWB, but were asked to attend and told that Romney would say he was signing the bill reluctantly, etc. He did not.
The "sportsmen's groups" included many who were against the AWB, but were asked to attend and told that Romney would say he was signing the bill reluctantly, etc. He did not.
The_Armed_Therapist
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Romney is NOT NOT NOT a friend to the 2nd amendment. Plain and simple. He may be a mild or moderate friend to guns and/or gun owners, but the amendment is clear... "...shall not be infringed." He favors at least some gun control, which makes him an enemy to the Constitution, which means an enemy to the nation. He's a big government hack and the 2A is no exception.
Romney is a politician. You will never really know how he feel about anything becuase that changes with the political climate. I don't really hold it against him, that is the nature of the beast. Maybe his views have/ will change. Afterall, good-'ol Rick Perry was once a Democrat! These days, as much as the 2A means to me, it isn't everything. If the economy is in the tank and we are all broke and unemployed, we won't be able to buy guns, or ammo, or anything else the Constitution says we can. Romney may no be the most pro-gun conidate, but as long as he can convice me he is pro-America (the whole picture) he might get my vote. Just something to think about.
mortablunt
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Welcome to the first mortablunt candidate MSTing.
Well, it's better than hunting children.
He prefers to use a non-weaver stance and low mounted sights.
With a militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right to keep and bear arms shall not infringed, unless those arms look scary.
I could very well say that I support the work of the Communist Party, but disagree sometimes, as in 96% of the time.
Ban cars, knives, baseball bats, guns, hammers, and axes. In fact, ban everything, because pretty much anything can be used as a weapon to kill someone.
A net gain towards losing those rights.
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I support your right to a gun, so long as we force you to wait because we think that your solution to being annoyed is to go on a murder spree, and we'd better take away those military looking guns too because they obviously chemically react with human skin to turn the wielder into a psychopath.
razorback2003
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Doesn't MA have pretty hard gun laws on getting a license just to OWN firearms? Not many states are so strict that you have to get a license to own just a shotgun or rifle.
I don't think I can vote for people who sign those kind of bills into law.
I don't think I can vote for people who sign those kind of bills into law.
I clearly remember him saying that he would sign an AWB as President Bush said that he (Bush) would if it crossed his desk. That was good enough for Romney.
Perry is good on guns if the legislation gets to him. He signed our parking lot bill but deliberately avoided using his abilities to push campus carry. Thus, it failed due to legislative chicanery. He did use his powers to push other crap.
Perry is good on guns if the legislation gets to him. He signed our parking lot bill but deliberately avoided using his abilities to push campus carry. Thus, it failed due to legislative chicanery. He did use his powers to push other crap.
Johannes_Paulsen
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Just curious - assuming that a President Romney is a closet gun-grabber - would he be any more effective than President Obama has been in pushing the Brady agenda?
He's a North Eastern politician. That should pretty much give you a good idea. That stereotype is mostly true.
He makes sure he's not anti-gun enough to make people angry, but subtly he seems to prefer to keep our 2nd A rights limited. With only common sense gun legislation (CSGL) of course.
He's just another McCain, chosen by the media. If only the media didn't decide our candidates.
He makes sure he's not anti-gun enough to make people angry, but subtly he seems to prefer to keep our 2nd A rights limited. With only common sense gun legislation (CSGL) of course.
He's just another McCain, chosen by the media. If only the media didn't decide our candidates.
To see where Romney stands on the issues, just take this short quiz:
http://boycotts4paul.com/MittRomney.pdf
Once you have, you'll have a very good idea where he stands on the Second Amendment.
http://boycotts4paul.com/MittRomney.pdf
Once you have, you'll have a very good idea where he stands on the Second Amendment.
Thefabulousfink
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Here is my opinion on Mitt Romney, completely free and worth every penny
I think Romney is no friend of gun owners and will not strive to protect gun rights, however, I THINK that he won't seek ways to infringe on them. It dosen't seem like gun's are really on his radar except when they are politically expediant. If Congress can keep the laws off his desk, he's not likely to even touch the subject. I can't say the same about a second term Obama.
While Romney is by no means my ideal candidate, I think he unfortunately is the most electable. Every time I watch the rest of the candidates, it's like watching "who doesn't want to be President?" Everyone keeps trying to appeal to and allready galvenized base and ends up alienating the middle of the road voters that they will need to beat Obama.
I don't much like it, but I would rather have a luke-warm republican like Romney than another 4 years of Obama. As gun owners we NEED a good showing in the presidential race because of the trickle-down effect on the House and Senate races. Most people who are undicided will vote for reps from the same part as the Pres candidate that they voted for. If we win the House and Senate then it doesn't matter if we loose the WH.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
I think Romney is no friend of gun owners and will not strive to protect gun rights, however, I THINK that he won't seek ways to infringe on them. It dosen't seem like gun's are really on his radar except when they are politically expediant. If Congress can keep the laws off his desk, he's not likely to even touch the subject. I can't say the same about a second term Obama.
While Romney is by no means my ideal candidate, I think he unfortunately is the most electable. Every time I watch the rest of the candidates, it's like watching "who doesn't want to be President?" Everyone keeps trying to appeal to and allready galvenized base and ends up alienating the middle of the road voters that they will need to beat Obama.
I don't much like it, but I would rather have a luke-warm republican like Romney than another 4 years of Obama. As gun owners we NEED a good showing in the presidential race because of the trickle-down effect on the House and Senate races. Most people who are undicided will vote for reps from the same part as the Pres candidate that they voted for. If we win the House and Senate then it doesn't matter if we loose the WH.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Cosmoline
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In a word, YES. The dynamics of a GOP Pres weak on firearms and a Democratic hill are very dangerous. Obama considers the issue a third rail and won't openly touch it regardless of who is in control in Congress. He and most of his party are still stinging from the critical border state losses on this issue in prior elections.
But for Romney the issue could be a location for "compromise" in order to get his more important agenda (whatever it might be) through opposition. He may feel he can safely ignore the protests of the RKBA groups because he assumes they have no other place to go.
I would much prefer Obama in office than Romney on that issue. No question about it.
R.W.Dale
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Romney couldn't win last time around there's absolutely no reason for the outcome to be any different this time.
A primary vote for mit is a general election vote for BHO
If he gets the nomination I will be forced to (gasp) vote for the mr Obama for the reasons outlined above. As this is one case where its best to stick with the devil you know.
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A primary vote for mit is a general election vote for BHO
If he gets the nomination I will be forced to (gasp) vote for the mr Obama for the reasons outlined above. As this is one case where its best to stick with the devil you know.
posted via tapatalk using android.
I'm not quite sure what makes you think he's not concerned with re-election. Spending a his entire presidency paying folks off and spending a record setting billion on his second term campaign sure fools me.
Romney is a danger to our second amendment rights. Just look at his history. I'd vote for Cain over Romney any ol' day.
Romney is a danger to our second amendment rights. Just look at his history. I'd vote for Cain over Romney any ol' day.
He is anti black gun, which to me is anti gun.
He boasted on TV when MA passed the state AW bill.
Though one can argue that he did was MA wanted, and would not do the same thing for the country as a whole.
Which raises the question - should a leader do what they think is best, or do what the people want?
He boasted on TV when MA passed the state AW bill.
Though one can argue that he did was MA wanted, and would not do the same thing for the country as a whole.
Which raises the question - should a leader do what they think is best, or do what the people want?
Mitt Romney is the only GOP candidate that will make me vote 3rd party if he gets the nomination based solely on his stance with the 2nd amendment and gun ownership. I am comfortable "enough" with my gun rights being in the hands of any of the other front-runners.
Johannes_Paulsen
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How does Romney differ from Ronald Reagan, who famously signed the Mulford Act while governor of California, banning open carry of loaded firearms in public? (And, for that matter, supported the Brady Bill when it was proposed in the '90s?) Would you all have opposed Reagan for similar reasons?
While you guys may be right about a weak republican like Romney I fear the ideologues Obama would feed us as supreme court justices much more. What do you think would be more damaging? Four years of Romney? Or a life term for 2 or 3 more liberals on the bench? You guys may be selling our Supreme Court down the river just for a short term solution by saying you would vote for Obama over Romney. I would NEVER, NEVER vote for Obama. ANY republican would be better to me.
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