Romney and guns?

[exavid]

Yes by all means, vote for whomever the Republicans put up. While I don't think the presidency is as important as getting a Republican majority in the senate while hanging onto the house, there's no telling what a lame duck Obama would do with his "czars" and presidential edicts.

 

[R.W.Dale]

While you guys may be right about a weak republican like Romney I fear the ideologues Obama would feed us as supreme court justices much more. What do you think would be more damaging? Four years of Romney? Or a life term for 2 or 3 more liberals on the bench? You guys may be selling our Supreme Court down the river just for a short term solution by saying you would vote for Obama over Romney. I would NEVER, NEVER vote for Obama. ANY republican would be better to me.

All this assumes the Romney's nominees would actually be less liberal than bho's.

I'm genuinely not so sure of that.

Look at this way. Obama is still an unknown. Romney on the other hand has a RECORD of being a complete liberal antigunner who somehow manages to have an r next to his name.

I'm telling you guys the current Washington stalemate is vastly preferable to a Romney with a rubber stamp Congress and house and a precieved mandate. If comes down to mitt ill gladly pull a lever for Obama. Perhaps the Republican party can then figure out we don't want the same tired retred losers from elections past

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[lobo9er]

my opinion is that he is a globalist and would be more than happy to sign whatever rebecca peters and the UN would want him too. If it would benefit him polotically.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Please remember this thread is only about Mitt Romney.

 

[jon_in_wv]

R.W. Romney may be a RINO, but he is no Obama. Saying you would vote for Obama because Romney might be as bad as him doesn't make sense anyhow.

 

[Neverwinter]

R.W. Romney may be a RINO, but he is no Obama. Saying you would vote for Obama because Romney might be as bad as him doesn't make sense anyhow.

You're misinterpreting his post. Romney might be WORSE. If you check OnTheIssues, you'll see that Obama supports leaving restrictions to the states. Romney has no such record.

 

[robert garner]

I would NEVER, NEVER vote for Obama. ANY republican would be better to me.
That is what the GOP is counting on, it will insure that we remain on the path chosen for us,while we pretend to have a voice.Obama/Romney same difference.
robert

 

[Konstantin835]

I knew gun ownership was a traditionally conservative value, but wow... Tons of Obama hate. Seriously, as president Obama hasn't done anything about guns, Romney on the other hand signed the Massachusetts AWB as Governor. On firearms alone they are pretty much equal IMO, Romney might even be worse.

 

[hso]

This thread will not be closed, but many of you will continue to have posts deleted and infractions will start to be handed out if the focus doesn't stay on Mitt Romney's 2A position.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

Here is State level example what concerns me about Romney on the Federal level.

in Ohio we had gov. Taft. Although a republican, he very often used 2nd Amendment issues as a bargaining chip to get the other things he wanted done. So ironically many more anti 2nd Amendment things cleared in Ohio than would have under a Democrat (To whit: Gov. Strickland). This is why in my opinion, someone who is "Flexible" on the 2nd Amendment and does not hold it as a personal, core value is scary.

Romney (A RINO, IMO) could do more damage than a Democrat if he's willing to use it as a trading chip for other items in their agenda.

Governor Kasich had a very, very close election when the rest of the country was voting for anything with an "R" behind their name. I firmly believe this is due to his past support of the AWB when he was in congress.

Ohio being a "Bell-weather" for the rest of the country, I believe the Republicans should be very careful about nominating anyone not very strong on the 2nd Amendment!

All that said, a 2nd term Obama, would (IMO) e very anti 2A given a Dem house or Senate.

 

[Super Sneaky Steve]

http://youtu.be/Kk1bJOpYUqE

Please see this video which clearly states Mitt's position. It's strait from the horse's mouth.

 

[Byrd666]

Whatever he says, don't believe him. He'll change his mind/waffle the subject in the next statement or question.

 

[zxcvbob]

It's pretty clear that he's not an anti-gun zealot. He doesn't seem to have deep convictions about anything. I'd like to think he had a genuine change-of-heart about abortion, but I don't even trust that.

He'll go with whatever position [on guns, or whatever] is politically expedient at the time, but he won't burn any bridges doing so in case he needs to switch back -- so we could do a lot worse.

 

[dcludwig]

I don't think Romney would appoint extreme leftist Supreme Court justices as Obama did. On the fairly recent Supreme Court decision to overturn DC's gun ban how did Obama's appointees vote? AGAINST overturning the gun ban. Romney is far from perfect on 2A issues, but I think he is certainly smart enough to realize it would be political suicide to support any anti-gun legislation if elected and wanted to be re-elected to office.

I would rather have Cain, no doubt about that, but if Romney is nominated he will get my vote. As someone mentioned in a previous post, SCOTUS appoinments last a lifetime and their decisions ultimately have far greater impact on 2A issues than what a president can or cannot do. Someone mentioned also that Obama is "still an unknown". Really? We DO know who he appointed not only to the SCOTUS, but also leftist Federal judges as well. Would Romney appoint an avid pro-2A judge(s)? Can't guarantee that, but we would be guaranteed a few more ANTI-gun appointees from Obama.

Romney is a politician and yep, he made some bad calls as governor of a liberal state. I don't think he would repeat those on a national level. BTW, I don't "hate" Obama... I just hate about 99% of what he stands for. "Fast and Furious"/Eric Holder/leftist judges, etc. etc.

Again, though I some reservations about Romney, he is a far cry from Obama. Hopefully, he has learned his lesson about how strongly so many voters feel about our Second Amendment rights. It wasn't Romney who showed his hand in a comment about middle Americans "clinging to their guns and bibles". Think that over before you push the button for Barack.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Ygw9CQ9po&feature=related

Another one from Mitt himself, discussing his support of the AWB and AWB in Mass.

 

[dcludwig]

Governor Kasich had a very, very close election when the rest of the country was voting for anything with an "R" behind their name. I firmly believe this is due to his past support of the AWB when he was in congress.

Ohio being a "Bell-weather" for the rest of the country, I believe the Republicans should be very careful about nominating anyone not very strong on the 2nd Amendment!

Yep, close election and like Romney, Kasich had some major baggage from his past on some 2A issues. Still, I voted for him over the sitting Democrat Governor, Ted Strickland. Why? Because even though Strickland was considered more "pro-2A", he endorsed anti-gun Obama, anti-gun Senator Sherrod Brown, made horrible appointments to judgeships in Ohio. Moreover, when the right to conceal-carry in restaurants bill passed the Ohio Senate, Strickland couldn't even convince his own party to let that bill even be voted on in the Ohio House. Kasich, on the other hand, SIGNED THE BILL into law. That is why I voted for him - despite his somewhat dubious past.

I think this is a very good comparison when pitting Romney against Obama. Despite his baggage, I think Romney's appointments will be far likely to be pro-2A than any of Obama's past or future appointments. If Kasich was so anti-gun as many accused him of being, why did he sign the restaurant carry bill into law? He learned his lesson. Hopefully Romney has also learned his lesson.

 

[Girodin]

Although I given the state of the country I cannot afford to be a one issue voter, I find it very very troubling that he says he would have signed a renewal of the assault weapons ban if it came to his desk. I also really do not like his vague reference to "weapons of particular lethality." I would like to see him pressed on what constitutes that. Is he talking so called "assault weapons?" Is he talking NFA items? What exactly? The good news is perhaps that the likelihood of that coming out of congress is very very low. There is simply not political will for it right now. There is not support, even from a lot of members of congress on the left. Of course things can always change on that front.

I however, believe Mr. Romney would be much better on gun rights than a second term Obama.

As others have noted SCOTUS nominations alone is an enormous point in favor of Romney vis-a-vis President Obama. The SCOTUS has been the big battle ground for the contours of gun control in this country and will continue to be as there are some very important issues yet to be fleshed out by the court. Remember that Heller and McDonald were 5-4 decisions. Imagine if they had gone the other way!

 

[lobo9er]

Romney is a politician and yep, he made some bad calls as governor of a liberal state. I don't think he would repeat those on a national level.

why?

I however, believe Mr. Romney would be much better on gun rights than a second term Obama.

why?
why would he rule our nation any different than the states he was the leader of?

 

[jmorris]

Ok to ban lethal weapons that threaten police. (Dec 2007)

That includes almost any item and all firearms.

 

[R.W.Dale]

why?

why?
why would he rule our nation any different than the states he was the leader of?

Because he....he....he's a Republican so he has to be good...right?

Ask yourselves this you any Republican is better guys. Why is Romney the media's chosen one?

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[hso]

This is why it is foolish to assume that party affiliation is any guarantee of support for the 2A. Plenty of politicians in the west, south-west and south-east from either major party are 2A supporters. Plenty of politicians in the northeast, west coast and major urban areas from either party are not.

Learn what the individual's performance has been and what their published stance is on any issue you are interested in instead of mindlessly following the herd. Many politicians depend upon "brand loyalty" instead of having to deal with an informed electorate.

 

[dcludwig]

Quote:
Originally Posted by lobo9er
why?

why?
why would he rule our nation any different than the states he was the leader of?

Because he....he....he's a Republican so he has to be good...right?

Ask yourselves this you any Republican is better guys. Why is Romney the media's chosen one?

Ummm... if Romney is the media's "chosen one" why did they gush all over McCain instead of Romney in 2008? Because they saw McCain as the weaker of the candidates to beat Obama. Polls show Romney with the best chance (as of this moment) of beating Obama, so why on earth would the media make him their "chosen one". Doesn't add up (if you remove emotions from the argument)

For the record, (R) in front of your name doesn't say "GOOD". Sometimes it only indicates "lessor of the evils". That certainly was the case when I gritted my teeth and pushed the button for McCain. Our goal should be to do the best we can in our support/donations/involvement to get the best candidate on the ticket. If, in doing so, our FIRST choice is not the one on the ticket, do we then in anger "show them" by voting for a leftist/socialist or a third party (which is essentially the same as voting for Obama) Not I.

 

[dcludwig]

[This is why it is foolish to assume that party affiliation is any guarantee of support for the 2A. Plenty of politicians in the west, south-west and south-east from either major party are 2A supporters. Plenty of politicians in the northeast, west coast and major urban areas from either party are not. /QUOTE]

Very good point Although I am generally an (R) since I am a conservative, I HAVE in recent years voted for the (D) candidate because they were more in line with 2A issues and other issues as well.

 

[dcludwig]

Quote:
Romney is a politician and yep, he made some bad calls as governor of a liberal state. I don't think he would repeat those on a national level.

why?

Because on the state level he had to compromise some postions because he was in an extremely liberal state to get elected (not that I agree with that) but it was the reality that he faced. On a national level, the percentage of liberal voters drops dramatically and as a politician he realizes this. Why tick off a huge voting block? In the elections the lefties are going Obama, so any anti-gun stance won't gain you any their votes anyway. It WILL, OTHO, probably cause you to lose a significant percentage of the 2A voting block

Quote:
I however, believe Mr. Romney would be much better on gun rights than a second term Obama.


why?
why would he rule our nation any different than the states he was the leader of?

Ummm, read my previous posts. SCOTUS appointments weigh heavily into eventual 2A rights/laws. Romney HAS to realize that it is extremely dangerous politically for him to mimic what he did as governor as far as gun rights. Obama has appointed a number of very anti-gun federal judges as well. They WILL make some decisions that effect many, if not all gun owners. Romney may not select the "perfect" justice(s) (George senior certainly made some poor choices) But we KNOW already who Obama appoints: Extreme, anti-gun justices who like to legislate from the bench (a very dangerous proposition for gun owners)

Choices of a president are far different than those of a governor. Fast and furious was a very deliberate attempt by the feds to show gun dealers/owners in a bad light with the purpose of enacting a more restrictive federal gun policy. Fast and Furious is a program that has gone horribly wrong (even to the point American's having lost their lives due to it). Has Obama publically condemned this policy or reprimanded Eric Holder or even held him to task? Nope. I think Romney 1) would not condone such a program and 2) if it did come to his knowlege that it was happening, I would like to think his reaction would be a lot different than Mr. Cling-to-your-guns.

Obviously, it is hopeful speculation on my part about Romney. But it is NOT speculation the damage Obama has already done and I certainly am not going to give him the reigns to do even more. Obama could barely tell the difference between being a radical community organizer and being president. I believe, for said reasons, that Romney knows being president of the United States is NOT being governor of Mass.

 

[JohnD13]

I am not comfortable with candidate Romney's gun control views. I think he has his veiw of the 2nd Ammendment, and I don't think it matches mine, or most folks here. When he says that some guns are too dangerous to own, I don't think he is thinking of RG revolvers or Raven pocket weights like I am. If he is the candidate selected to run against Obama, I won't like doing it, but I'll vote for him.