Ruger Reverse Move with LCP

[GLOOB]

Durability

Plenty of people bet their lives on disposable, one-time use fire extinguishers. I don't see a short lifespan as a problem with a pocket gun this small.

Perhaps one day we will actually have one-time use pocket guns.

If the LCP were as reliable as a revolver, there's no question it would be worth the price, even if it only worked for 100 rounds. But as it is, I'll pass.

 

[kokapelli]

Perhaps one day we will actually have one-time use pocket guns.

Ha! I think we already have that. Use it one time for self defense and it's gone!

 

[bill bryant]

The pin doesn't "fall" out, it works it's way out and that can happen just as easily from the top or bottom.

I haven't seen the insides of the LCP, but is there room for the pin to work its way up and out? Or would it run into something and stay put?

 

[HisSoldier]

I don't understand the appeal of these cheap guns. Why not invest in high quality steel guns? I carried one today to church, no one knew I was carrying and though it is all steel I could hardly tell either. Plasticrap guns are an answer to a question that shouldn't have been asked. If my PPK/S can't be felt at 22.4 Oz what's the point of a lightweight cheap throw away gun? Perhaps that is the allure, you can throw it away and not feel any loss. I just wish people would stop encouraging companies to make these garbage guns.

 

[fletcher]

I don't understand the appeal of these cheap guns.

Some of us can't afford, or do not want, a $900 Rohrbaugh for pocket carry.

I just wish people would stop encouraging companies to make these garbage guns.

A $200 reliable gun that carries in my pocket doesn't seem like garbage to me. I have a Springfield loaded 1911 that I use when I can carry a full-size, but that's not always an option. Understand that everyone has different situations that may or may not allow them to carry even something like your PPK (which is still larger than a Kel-Tec).

 

[lvcat2004]

I don't understand the appeal of these cheap guns. Why not invest in high quality steel guns? I carried one today to church, no one knew I was carrying and though it is all steel I could hardly tell either. Plasticrap guns are an answer to a question that shouldn't have been asked. If my PPK/S can't be felt at 22.4 Oz what's the point of a lightweight cheap throw away gun? Perhaps that is the allure, you can throw it away and not feel any loss. I just wish people would stop encouraging companies to make these garbage guns.

Some of us are thin, in shape, in warm climate, can't wear a jacket, wear dress clothes that doesn't allow for carrying a big gun, can't afford a $1000 gun, etc., etc.,

I don't think it's hard to think in someone else's shoes. 22.4 oz is not light by any means, and some of us just can't carry something like that when the chance of using such thing is very close to zero. It's better to have something than not carry anything at all. You might not feel your PPK, but I can tell you that I would.

 

[jon_in_wv]

OK. So you carry your 22.4 OZ PPK why not carry a 9mm or other heavier caliber weapon? What is the point of carrying a gun that is as big and heavy as a serious piece but has less ammo and is less powerful has worse sights, worse ergos, etc.... The point is, the LCP is MUCH smaller, lighter, and slimmer than the PPK. It is for times when carrying a larger gun isn't an option. Why do you people keep trying to compare apples to oranges? I would compare a PPK or Snub nose to my M&P 9C. They are much closer in size to it than to the LCP.
Lastly the constant references to the KTs or LCPs as "throw away guns" is just plain ignorant. What evidence do you have that KTs or LCPs are only good for a few rounds? None.

 

[cowssurf]

Rustynuts,

You said: "Unless Ruger can perform magic, I'm sure the LCP could use a fluff & buff out of the box too."

That's kind of a silly statement. I would just ask, can Ruger perform a fluff and buff before shipping the firearm? I think the answere to that is, yes. Then I would ask, is a fluff and buff magic? I think the answer to that is no.

So basically, all Ruger needs to do is send the customer the gun in post fluff and buff condition. That's not magic, that's just good quality.

So, Rustynuts, does this mean that any firearm that has ever worked realiably without a fluff and buff was made by magic? David Blaine or Criss Angel? I think David Blaine would make those guns. He seems more bada$$. Can David Blaine make me some night sights that will last forever?

 

[jocko]

cowssurf

the poster u are referring to is a kt-og poster and on that forum, they feel you must do the fluff and buff to make the kt's run right. So they equate that to be that every gun made has to have the fluff and buff, and being that the ruger is a cery close copy of the kt, then it willhave the same issues to unless you do all the things that one has to do to the kt's to make them run right. I sold guns for over 40 years and until I hit on the kt forum, I never hear dthe term fluff and buff. (getting to old for new terms I guess). It certainly doesn't hurt nay guntodo that but IJMO it should not be necessary todo so to make it work right. If a mfg-er thinks a fluff and buff isneed on a certain model that they make, they shold do it in house and not let the consumer do it. 99% don't even know what fluff and buff means either,so therefore if it doesn't work outof the box, the selling dealer is going to get it back. he sold it, he should take care of it.

I can say this, the one lcp that I have bene following closesly now has 2200 flawless rounds through it, and the owner took it out ofthe box and did bnothign and fired it 1000 perfect rounds, cleaned it and fired another 1200 rounds and not one hic-cup, nadda, zero, nothing. IT WORKS. Soyou decide, is fluff and buff necessary on the Ruger lcp?? If it please one, then do it..

 

[jocko]

jon in W. v

totally agree, a 24 ounce gun, when you can carry a 14 ounce kahr pm9 in 9mm that is as small as the 380 ppk,WHY

Steel is very nice, but ccw people want liteweight , along with reliability and quality and that can be obtained in a polymer handgun very easily. Sure seems most of allthe new entry guns being brought on line today are of polymer design. tells me something. I think the Rohrbaugh is even smaller and liter than the kahr pm9 even, not cheap, but neither is life.

 

[jocko]

throw away

for anyone wishing to throw away their lcp, please give me a call or email me so that I can be there to pick up ur throw away. If you shoot one out, also please let me know that to, I just hate to miss out on a THROW AWAY of any gun..:banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[kokapelli]

HisSoldier

I don't understand the appeal of these cheap guns. Why not invest in high quality steel guns? I carried one today to church, no one knew I was carrying and though it is all steel I could hardly tell either. Plasticrap guns are an answer to a question that shouldn't have been asked. If my PPK/S can't be felt at 22.4 Oz what's the point of a lightweight cheap throw away gun? Perhaps that is the allure, you can throw it away and not feel any loss. I just wish people would stop encouraging companies to make these garbage guns.

It's called progress! Polymer framed guns can be and are as reliable as all steel guns, are lighter, more easily concealed and usually have softer felt recoil.

I don't understand why you would carry a blowback, all steel gun that is far to large for the cartridge it shoots.

 

[old_ironsights]

Coltdriver: "Then it hit me. Ruger has taken a cheaper design and improved it."

That Ruger has improved anything about the Kel Tec design is pure, wishful speculation.

 

[jocko]

yup

sounds like a kel-tec groopie... Nothing wrong with that if that is the way u feel. Nothing IMO was ever wrong with the kt design, just IMO poor quality of workmanship and materials. Now that is correctable. Course what do I know,,, I only had to send my kt's back 17 times (3 of them)

 

[MICHAEL T]

I didn't do any Fluff and buff on my 3 KelTecs They worked right out of box I just lubed the slide rails and went to shooting. they eat all brands of HP and love Corbon DPX Only used ball for first 50 rounds.
This is a close up weapon won't be no clearance drill or reload . So mag slaming isn't required . I don't even do that on my Colts .

 

[Soybomb]

Ruger has taken a cheaper design and improved it.

Shouldn't we wait until the gun is in wider circulation before we declare it "improved?" Just stamping the ruger name on it doesn't make it better.

Here's one of the new LCP on sig forum
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/1081078911/p/1

I'm not sure how improved I call that

 

[HisSoldier]

My feelings about plastic guns go to my feelings about guns in general. People who make cheap guns are attacking those who make high quality guns. I hold my PPK/S in my hand and know that 50 or 100 years from now if someone else holds it in their hand they will feel the same way I do about it, and can't imagine anyone feeling that way about plastic. I know there are toy collectors who nurse old toys along collecting them, but hear that most plastics do not hold up over time. So, there is a sense of eternity in a steel gun that can never be part of a plastic gun. I recognize that many people don't care at all about these things, they are the ones who buy plastic "guns".
I just finished making stainless triggers for Colt Government and Mustang .380's to replace the cheap plastic garbage triggers they had, I made over 100 of them in CNC equipment. That's how strongly I feel about it. It saddens me that people don't join me in telling gun companies that we won't buy any more of their cheap crap! Buy guns you can hand down to your grandkids, your great grandkids. And it's not just guns, everywhere you look plastic is taking the market from better materials, "consumer goods" are throw away, can't be repaired. Plastic fts the bill. Have any of you repaired a cracked plastic part? I have, it isn't like steel, when you are done it looks like crap.
They have pulled the wool over your eyes people. Arguments for plastic guns are arguments against yourselves.

 

[bill bryant]

In the pic above it looks like it was a steel part, not a plastic part, that broke.

 

[jocko]

and

and also the owner of that Ruger lcp admitted to dry firing it 80-100 times and said the shop where he bought it at dry fired it at least 20 times, and right in the Ruger manual it says do not dry fire or damage to the firing pin can occur, Same as kt's. Now if you want to blame the gun for stupidty, then go ahead.

 

[fletcher]

I know there are toy collectors who nurse old toys along collecting them, but hear that most plastics do not hold up over time.

There are many different kinds of plastics. The cheap, thermoplast kind of materials used it old toys, or toys in general, were and are not designed to hold up over time for obvious reasons. There are much more expensive and durable polymers and composites available now.

People who make cheap guns are attacking those who make high quality guns. I hold my PPK/S in my hand and know that 50 or 100 years from now if someone else holds it in their hand they will feel the same way I do about it, and can't imagine anyone feeling that way about plastic.

All I'm really seeing is that you're using your personal preferences to push others to toss or boycott plastic guns. I also prefer metal guns, but I really feel your arguments against plastic are either purely opinionated (who cares who shoots what), or misinformed and uneducated at best. There are plenty of people here that can explain the advantages and disadvantages of the metal vs. polymer debate, but I don't really think you're going to get much ground or knowledge with non-stop polymer bashing.

I have plenty of steel guns that might get passed down, but the kel-tec I own is for me. It is my pocket carry gun for my defense, and I don't care if I can't pass it down. I have a 1911, Makarov, and a couple revolvers to do that with.

Have any of you repaired a cracked plastic part? I have, it isn't like steel, when you are done it looks like crap.
They have pulled the wool over your eyes people. Arguments for plastic guns are arguments against yourselves.

If the frame on my P32 breaks, I'll order another for $20 and switch it out, but I doubt I'll ever have to do that. Also, I'm pretty sure nobody pulled the wool over my eyes - I know exactly what I purchased, and what it is and is not capable of.

 

[old_ironsights]

HisSoldier writes, " hold my PPK/S in my hand and know that 50 or 100 years from now if someone else holds it in their hand they will feel the same way I do about it..."

Didja buy it or marry it?

 

[jocko]

fletcher

+10 on those comments. Guns IMO are a very personal thing and to each his own. finances plays a big part of alot of gun purchases and the fact that one can buy a ruger lcp or the kt 380 for under $275 is a big plus, for those who cannot afford a Rohrbaugh, or a Kahr, or Sig. or Seecamp. It sure beats the hell out of a rock..

 

[scurtis_34471]

There is more to this than cost. My wife is very slender and likes to wear tight-fitting clothing, because loose clothing hangs on her and makes her look like a stick.

Tight clothing makes it hard to carry a gun and carrying off-body is not always practical or ideal. A gun the size of the LCP is perfect for this application, because she can carry it in a belly band, thigh band or SmartCarry holster no matter what kind of clothing she's wearing.

The Rohrbaugh is a very nice gun, but there is no way my wife could handle the recoil. I've shot it, so I know what its like. She can barely handle a .38 spl snubby, so there's no way she could make effective follow-up shots with the Rohrbaugh. I think she's much better off with a .380 she can control than with a 9mm she can't. Right now, the Kel-Tec and the Ruger are the only game in town.

 

[jon_in_wv]

Broken Firing Pin...

Here is another broken firing pin. This one is from a S&W revolver. This is EXACTLY why I would never carry a revolver. Stupid unreliable junk.

 

[jocko]

jon in W. V

you are only kiddin , aren't u