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this week's anti-NRA installment gets an early start. Why oh why do I always visit these threads?
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Then don't click on the thread. It's not rocket science.

Since you asked, it's called dialogue. People ask questions, express an opinion and others respond. The exchange of ideas is valuable.

Or do you prefer monologue?
 
It does get a little monotonous with all the NRA bashing week after week. This in regards to the biggest organization out their doing what they think best for our sport, while many of those in the sport ridiculing them constantly or complaining about their mailings which is easily stopped with a free 800 call.

Regarding this thread mayhap they are waiting for the attack on our gun rights to then strike with a counter offensive.

To those that always complain about how the NRA & ILA conducts their business, maybe you should try to run for office in the NRA. For those of you who are members already when was the last time you submitted a voting ballet to the NRA?
 
If we all posted a complaint every time we got a mailing from the NRA or NRA-ILA asking for a donation, it's all we'd ever have rom for.

Yeah, the requests for donations get a little emotional at times, and I wish they wouldn't. But I agree with those who say it's the NRA that has made it possible to keep what 2A rights we still have. I support them even when I disagree with a specific position or get annoyed by a mailing.
 
The NRA is welcome to send an envelope to my mailbox every day. All recycled material raises a little cash for our suburb.
The muscle needed to carry that plastic recycle tub to the street is much less than what is needed to remove the leaf sight from my SKS, or pull the bolt all the way back on the Garand a few times.

Have people forgotten what Janet Reno was quoted saying while working under President Bill Clinton? There is no stronger voice for
gun rights of law-abiding US citizens than the NRA....or is there a stronger organization? Please name it.

The more rabid anti-gun factions Might allow you to own a single-shot .22 rifle, but Only after a long, expensive process (i.e. the UK, Germany etc). But why do you need this rifle?:scrutiny:
In Germany prospective gun owners must first sit through classes-as with many things-on theory before the practical training.
The US "antis" crave this type of control over us so much, they can already taste it.
 
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So the NRA is just another self-referencing Lobby organization?

Wow.
 
Perhaps you don't fully understand how things work in Washington??

You don't get something for nothing.

And I don't care who ya are.

The NRA is the only organization with enough political clout & large enough membership to defend our gun rights.

Sometimes, they have to give in to something to get something else in return.

I don't agree with all the fund raising BS they put out either!

But they are the only reason we are able to still be on a gun board tonight arguing about how bad they are.

Without everything they have done in my 69 year lifetime?

We wouldn't be here worrying about them tonight.

Because guns would have been long gone, probably before you were born.

rc
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I have nothing to add, You are 100% CORRECT and I am the same age that you are and by now, know what I am talking about!
 
Ignition Override said:
The NRA is welcome to send an envelope to my mailbox every day. All recycled material raises a little cash for our suburb.
The muscle needed to carry that plastic recycle tub to the street is much less than what is needed to remove the leaf sight from my SKS, or pull the bolt all the way back on the Garand a few times.

Have people forgotten what Janet Reno was quoted saying while working under President Bill Clinton? There is no stronger voice for
gun rights of law-abiding US citizens than the NRA....or is there a stronger organization? Please name it.

The more rabid anti-gun factions Might allow you to own a single-shot .22 rifle, but Only after a long, expensive process (i.e. the UK, Germany etc). But why do you need this rifle?:scrutiny:
In Germany prospective gun owners must first sit through classes-as with many things-on theory before the practical training.
The US "antis" crave this type of control over us so much, they can already taste it.
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Yeah, I am with you on that. The NRA is the best bet we have. The nice thing is that with a simple phone call or email anyone can put a stop to the mail solicitations. Wish I could do that for a lot of the other refuse that arrives in my mailbox...
 
Yeah, I am with you on that. The NRA is the best bet we have. The nice thing is that with a simple phone call or email anyone can put a stop to the mail solicitations. Wish I could do that for a lot of the other refuse that arrives in my mailbox...
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Not really. I already tried that. I opted out of it from the beginning, sent several emails and tried calling and I still get this stuff. what disturbs me the most is that I am am member and they are sending me crap as if I am not. Plus, its a huge waste of money that IMO could be better spent on other efforts.
 
Second, if they are so worried about losing the rights then why in the hell did they just support the implementation of one of he most antigun people in Washington to be over the BATFE?
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Thats the most inaccurate and ridiculous statement i've seen this month.

The NRA is forced to solicit funds on a frequent basis because only about ten percent of members ever donate to the ILA or PVF. Each fund drive brings in about one million dollars.

IMO: It's a sad day when the vast majority of members refuse to donate the price of a premium six pack of beer to the best gun rights organization in the USA. If there was no NRA you could not legally own a BB gun in the USA today.
 
IIUC, Harry Reed threatened (and likely had the votes to make good on) the nuclear option if the Senate didn't put a set of long festering BHO nominations on the floor for a straight up or down vote.

The nuclear option obliterates the minority parties ability to hold up the majoriy parties agenda, as it does away with the senate rules of cloture (aka. filibuster).

If the NRA gave Jones the official thumbs down, any republican senator who voted for this deal (to save the filibuster) would have had a corresponding thumbs down on their NRA score card, which could have jeopordized their re-election.

By witholding judgement on Jones, the NRA has given political cover for GOP Senators to negotiate a deal with Reed, which would save the filibuster.

I'm not sure I agree with each decision the NRA makes, but I do believe that...

1. they are (regardless of their motivation) truely on the pro-2A side
2. they are cold, calcultaing and patient masters of how to work the American political system.
3. they act consistantly to support their long term politcal agenda.
4. the Democrats hate, and are scared stiff of the NRA.
 
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alsaqr said:
Thats the most inaccurate and ridiculous statement i've seen this month.

The NRA is forced to solicit funds on a frequent basis because only about ten percent of members ever donate to the ILA or PVF. Each fund drive brings in about one million dollars.

IMO: It's a sad day when the vast majority of members refuse to donate the price of a premium six pack of beer to the best gun rights organization in the USA. If there was no NRA you could not legally own a BB gun in the USA today.
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I don't believe their nonsense.

Sadly, I learned long ago, and it has been reinforced on such sites, that gun owners are largely the angriest and most selfish, childish, cheapest and laziest group I've ever observed. Not you, of course, dear reader -- you're different. If the rest of them are not tripping over themselves to defend to the death a $99 Mosin-Nagant as the best gun ever made and shaking their fists in unison at attacks on guns that Charleton Heston would yawn about, they are spending thousands on a toy and feel they are above it all and insulated from tyranny.

All these find their own excuse to whine about any group needing funds to defend our liberty to cover their personal failure to donate as though the rest of us were gonna buy it. We're not you unpatriotic freeloaders! Not the readers here of course -- they're all above average. And heaven forbid those ingrates actually dedicated time and effort to the cause when a ballgame might be on sometime this month and they can have a beer.

It is all rather pathetic actually. Compare this to a former Marine I know. He donated $2,000 to the Obama campaign in his run for re-election. Why? "Because of everything he's doing for the troops" he said.
 
Frank Ettin said:
We have to continually remind ourselves that the way things work is the way things work. If we want to influence what happens in the political arena, we need to be there and play by the rules of that world. If we don't, we won't be at the table, and we won't have a say in the result.

If we abandon the political arena because we find distasteful the ways things are done there, those remaining will happily go on without us.
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Well said.
 
1938 was a looooonnnnngggggg time ago and the NRA's stance on these laws has changed over the years. Point back to the earlier years of many organizations and you'll see vast differences from current status.
 
rcmodel said:
Perhaps you don't fully understand how things work in Washington??

You don't get something for nothing.

And I don't care who ya are.

The NRA is the only organization with enough political clout & large enough membership to defend our gun rights.

Sometimes, they have to give in to something to get something else in return.

I don't agree with all the fund raising BS they put out either!

But they are the only reason we are able to still be on a gun board tonight arguing about how bad they are.

Without everything they have done in my 69 year lifetime?

We wouldn't be here worrying about them tonight.

Because guns would have been long gone, probably before you were born.

rc
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i couldn't have said it better myself!!!!!!
 
Ok if the NRA is so good why the HELL did it support the 1968GCA? and put more CHAINS on gun owners!.
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I was just a kid back in 68 so I don't remember but perhaps you can refresh my memory. Just what other gun organizations were active back then and did they all have a militant pro 2a charter?
To compare the NRA of 1968 to what it is today is just laughable if it weren't so sad and naive. Back then they were nothing of the lobbying giant that they are today and their members as well as officers mostly got caught with their pants down on that early legislation. Since then the leadership and shooting public has continually grown less tolerant of gun grabbers but there have been weak times when membership drops and public opinion wanes and those are the times when people like you want to dwell on. How about just 1/2 of freeloading gun owners join today and see what real power the gun owning American yields. Those numbers will bring actual repeals of past bad gun laws rather than just holding the tide.
 
jack44 said:
Ok if the NRA is so good why the HELL did it support the 1968GCA? and put more CHAINS on gun owners!.
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Because after the assassinations of JFK, RFK and MLK, and the public furor those three murders of wildly popular public figures caused, absolutely nothing would have stopped the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Politics is the "art of the possible" not the art of the impossible. So while GCA68 was unstoppable, the NRA did help deflect a follow up Ted Kennedy demand for support of a national licensing and registration scheme. Later it helped put the brakes on a Nixon advisory commission's proposal that handguns be made illegal and confiscated.
 
It's really easy to bash an organization cluelessly. Without the NRA, just this past year alone would have been unbearable, had the anti's had their way.

One HUGE reason for the stemming of the anti 2A flood of craziness that was headed our way this past year was the NRA. They act in the political arena, where we are unable to do so as effectively.

I don't care if Wayne LaPierre is a good speaker or not. I don't care if they send me cheesy mailings, and robocall me. It's all part of the game. Big deal. The fact is, if they did not exist, we would ALL be stuck with two shot weapons, etc etc blah blah blah...

Enjoy your AR's and 30 round mags.

Memories are short.
 
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