Servicios y Aventuras (SA) Primers

[MoscowMike]

Norma had a sale on Argentine primers, no Hazmat fee, free shipping over $100, so I ordered 2000 @ $62.

https://normashooting.com

They are a bit fussy in my Hornady LNL progressive, a couple stuck and one flipped over. Could be I need to do more cleaning and polishing.

I loaded 100 9mm then took an Argentine Hi-Power and a Sig P365 out to the range. All went bang, so I’m happy. Now I need to find a similar price on LPP.

 

[blackd24]

They agreed with my LNL but I only did 50. They also agreed with my LCT, again 50. No problem seating them in 9mm or 38 special cases. So far no real difference for me from other primers I used.

 

[mdi]

My RCBS bench primer did OK. I had 2 FTF in my 9mm Taurus G3 (45 rounds) and 2 in my Charter Arms 32 H&R Mag (21 rounds). Need more testing as my Masada ran through 34, 9mm handloads primed with SA primers (two magazines full, 124 Nukes over CFE pistol, mixed brass)...

Next time I'll use my ram prime...

 

[markr6754]

I have the Hornady LNL Classic Automatic Primer Feed attachment. Some primers give it fits. The SyA primers were flawless through 100 cases. They also fed through the Hornady 1911 Auto Primer Tube Filler without issue. The primer tube filler isn't designed for the smaller diameter primer pickup tubes for the classic press...but a coupling adapter made from shrink tubing makes it easy work.

 

[Blue68f100]

Norma had a sale on Argentine primers, no Hazmat fee, free shipping over $100, so I ordered 2000 @ $62.

https://normashooting.com

They are a bit fussy in my Hornady LNL progressive, a couple stuck and one flipped over. Could be I need to do more cleaning and polishing.

I loaded 100 9mm then took an Argentine Hi-Power and a Sig P365 out to the range. All went bang, so I’m happy. Now I need to find a similar price on LPP.

You may want to run a cleaning patch down the primer tube. You want these tubes dry and clean for easing feeding. I had one tube that had a bad seam that primers hung on. Hornady replaced it when I notified them of the problem.

 

[MoscowMike]

You may want to run a cleaning patch down the primer tube.

I’ve not been having problems with the CCI SPP, but cleaning it out is always a good idea.

 

[dannyd]

Ran 100 Argentine primers on my LNL today without any problems at all. So far on the LNL's 113,823 rounds with very little problems.

 

[Cokeman]

I can’t see primers on their site. Am I missing them?

 

[higgite]

I can’t see primers on their site. Am I missing them?

Same here.

 

[blackd24]

It said limited quantity so they could be sold out.

 

[dannyd]

They are sold out.

 

[BC17A]

I just got my order of 3000 yesterday and tested some primed cases in several of my pistols. Seems they're about 99% reliable if you use them in a hard hitting hammer fired gun, but striker fired guns are hit and miss. Had more than a few that required two pulls, some three, some four and some that wouldn't go off no matter how many times they were struck. Odd thing about these primers is that most every light strike I encountered had a pretty deep dimple which I'm confident would have gone off with any other primer brand, including CCI. Looking closely at them it's easy to see what their problem is. Take a look at the anvils of the five primers in the pic and you'll see it also. I can't read most of what's printed on the box but I do know what ISO means, and these primers are obviously not produced by an actual ISO certified manufacturer. Only going to use them for an AR9 I'm building and when they're gone I'm not buying them again.

 

[Lee Q. Loader]

I just got my order of 3000 yesterday and tested some primed cases in several of my pistols. Seems they're about 99% reliable if you use them in a hard hitting hammer fired gun, but striker fired guns are hit and miss. Had more than a few that required two pulls, some three, some four and some that wouldn't go off no matter how many times they were struck. Odd thing about these primers is that most every light strike I encountered had a pretty deep dimple which I'm confident would have gone off with any other primer brand, including CCI. Looking closely at them it's easy to see what their problem is. Take a look at the anvils of the five primers in the pic and you'll see it also. I can't read most of what's printed on the box but I do know what ISO means, and these primers are obviously not produced by an actual ISO certified manufacturer. Only going to use them for an AR9 I'm building and when they're gone I'm not buying them again.

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Thanks for posting! Very informative.

 

[markr6754]

I can't read most of what's printed on the box but I do know what ISO means, and these primers are obviously not produced by an actual ISO certified manufacturer. Only going to use them for an AR9 I'm building and when they're gone I'm not buying them again.

Well, according to their website they are ISO certified. So, yes, they are produced by an actual ISO certified manufacturer.
"A tal punto que hace pocos meses han logrado el Certificado ISO, que da la garantía que lo que estamos produciendo es de primera y nos pone a nivel mundial."

 

[dannyd]

Used a 150 without any problems, but I only shoot revolvers.

 

[mdi]

Just a thought and kinda off topic but pertaining to primers; Several years ago I had an FMK 9mm pistol that had several FTFs with my handloads primed with Winchester small pistol primers, usually 3 out of 12. The gun fired CCI, Remington and Wolf primers 100%. Other 9mm pistols, Taurus, Ruger and Tokerev fired the Winchester primed handloads 100%. I tried several "fixes" to the gun and my priming tools and technique. Different loads at different times. The FMK worked well with all primers except Winchester. I remembered reading somewhere long ago about "sensitizing" primers. I used a ram prime and seated some Winchester primers, all the way to the bottom of the pocket, as usual, then added a bit more pressure, adding some "crush" and preloading the primers. First batch of reloads with my new method fired 100%. I had been reloading without primer problems for maybe 30 years so my original methods were not to blame. Now out of habit I run a primer all the way to the bottom of the pocket and adding a preload. Disregarding any "below flush measurement". Several thousand rounds and about least a dozen other guns/cartridges my "preload" method works 100%

I had some FTFs with SA primers in 3 different guns, handloads primed on my RCBS bench prime, but I will continue testing but using my ram prime and preloading. (My RCBS primer always felt "light" seating?)...

 

[earlthegoat2]

I just got my order of 3000 yesterday and tested some primed cases in several of my pistols. Seems they're about 99% reliable if you use them in a hard hitting hammer fired gun, but striker fired guns are hit and miss. Had more than a few that required two pulls, some three, some four and some that wouldn't go off no matter how many times they were struck. Odd thing about these primers is that most every light strike I encountered had a pretty deep dimple which I'm confident would have gone off with any other primer brand, including CCI. Looking closely at them it's easy to see what their problem is. Take a look at the anvils of the five primers in the pic and you'll see it also. I can't read most of what's printed on the box but I do know what ISO means, and these primers are obviously not produced by an actual ISO certified manufacturer. Only going to use them for an AR9 I'm building and when they're gone I'm not buying them again.

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Another site I frequent had some interesting comments about these primers to the effect that they were actually small rifle primers.



Folks were having similar failure to fire problems with all but the hardest strikes.

 

[irving]

In my 686 plus, I'm seeing no failures single action, and about 4% failures in double action.

 

[OrangePwrx9]

Irving's issues are similar to my own. The primers are 100% in my Ruger BH and Pietta 1873 clone, but about 10% fail in a Security 6 fired DA. SA the Security 6 is also 100%.

All rounds but one that failed DA, fired normally SA in the Sec. 6. That round fired OK in the BH.

Interested to see how these primers fare in my Glocks, Shield, and Kahr.

 

[MoscowMike]

I’m pleased that my SIG P365 and Argentine Hi-Power seem to be happy. Interesting thought about pre-loading the primers. I’ll have to try some other pistols and revolvers.

A fellow in the club ran some tests comparing these to other primers. Here are his results.

02-09-2023

Primer test in STI Edge .40 S&W.

Cartridge OL = 1.179" n=10 4.4 grains Bullseye.
H&G#359bb cast bullet sized 0.401"

High Vel low Vel Avg Vel Extr Sprd Standard Dev

Federal std. primer 1004 959 978 45 13
CCI std. primer 1006 982 990 24 8
CCI magnum primer 1049 994 1014 55 16
Argentine primer 1020 981 997 39 10

One first strike misfire, fired on the second strike.

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02-09-2023

Primer test in Para-Ordance .40 S&W.

Cartridge OL = 1.179" n=10 4.4 grains Bullseye.
H&G#359bb cast bullet sized 0.401"

High Vel low Vel Avg Vel Extr Sprd Standard Dev

Federal std. primer 1018 985 999 33 10
CCI std. primer 1014 975 996 39 11
CCI magnum primer 1028 986 1012 42 13
Argentine primer 1016 983 999 33 13

 

[Riomouse911]

My Model 66-1 .357 had a few FTF in DA with BNWC loads I cooked up with these primers. The second shot fired in SA mode set them off. My two 14-3’s and 686+ fired them all. (Wrinkled B-27 target was a dreg I had floating around.)



I think the 1,000 I bought will be it for me… unless the primer drought continues and they’re all I can find.

Stay safe.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I remembered reading somewhere long ago about "sensitizing" primers. I used a ram prime and seated some Winchester primers, all the way to the bottom of the pocket, as usual, then added a bit more pressure, adding some "crush" and preloading the primers.

That's the way you should be seating your primers all the time. Pre-loading is the correct way to insure reliable ignition...I even do it with my Federal Primers

 

[9mmepiphany]

Folks were having similar failure to fire problems with all but the hardest strikes.

That has been the general experience from some local shooters who have tried SA primers also.

One guy mentioned that he got them to go off in his Glock G34 by going to a 6lb striker spring...I have no idea how that compares to other striker fired pistols as I don't shoot my G34 much anymore

I've had much better luck with Genix SPP from Bosnia and have standardized on them for my striker guns in place of CCI

 

[CQB45ACP]

Just a thought and kinda off topic but pertaining to primers; Several years ago I had an FMK 9mm pistol that had several FTFs with my handloads primed with Winchester small pistol primers, usually 3 out of 12. The gun fired CCI, Remington and Wolf primers 100%. Other 9mm pistols, Taurus, Ruger and Tokerev fired the Winchester primed handloads 100%. I tried several "fixes" to the gun and my priming tools and technique. Different loads at different times. The FMK worked well with all primers except Winchester. I remembered reading somewhere long ago about "sensitizing" primers. I used a ram prime and seated some Winchester primers, all the way to the bottom of the pocket, as usual, then added a bit more pressure, adding some "crush" and preloading the primers. First batch of reloads with my new method fired 100%. I had been reloading without primer problems for maybe 30 years so my original methods were not to blame. Now out of habit I run a primer all the way to the bottom of the pocket and adding a preload. Disregarding any "below flush measurement". Several thousand rounds and about least a dozen other guns/cartridges my "preload" method works 100%

I had some FTFs with SA primers in 3 different guns, handloads primed on my RCBS bench prime, but I will continue testing but using my ram prime and preloading. (My RCBS primer always felt "light" seating?)...

I’ve never preloaded primers nor ever needed to. Good thing since I never knew it was a thing.

But for curiosity sake, I’m confused as to how it can be done—the primer holders (or whatever they’re called) can only be pushed until the spring is fully compressed. I guess with typical primer seating we don’t get to that point?

I’d test it if I knew how and wasn’t tempting a caboom.

 

[mdi]

insert primer into the priming tool.
Insert case.
Seat primer all the way to the bottom of the primer pocket.
Add more force to the tool adding more pressure to the seated primer (I normally seat primer fully, release, rotate case a bit, add more pressure.). Never had a primer cup interfere with sensitizing primers.

Slightly "crushing" primer "sensitizes", preloads it without affecting performance.

Works for me with all primers in all the cartridges and guns I reload for. I cannot remember a FTF that was my fault in over 35 years...