Should A American Citizen With No Disqualifyers Be Able to Board a Train,Bus or Plane With a Gun?

Should A American Citizen With No Disqualifyers Be Able to Board a Train,Bus or Plane With a Gun?

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Interesting. How many people would start trouble on a bus or train if they knew we all carried a gun?
 
Night Rider said:
I'm pretty sure the depressurization from a bullet hole is not quite the issue that we're making it out to be here.


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There are other systems critical to flight that you might not want to put holes in. Feul tanks, hydraulic fluid, control wiring, etc.
 
Bcwitt said:
There are other systems critical to flight that you might not want to put holes in. Feul tanks, hydraulic fluid, control wiring, etc.
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I'm willing to leave the matter in the hands of each individual airline.

If the airline (property owner) exercises their right to ban firearms on their premises I'll abide by that.

If they likewise permit firearms on their premises I'll abide by that.
 
Night Rider said:
If they likewise permit firearms on their premises I'll abide by that.
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This would never happen, in the case of airlines. They wouldn't put themselves at the risk of civil liability, if there was shooting on board. Nor would their insurers allow them to have such a policy.

Actually, the same thing would apply to anybody else in the transportation business.
 
And how would one know that BEFORE they left for the airport???
And what about all the guys who will just shoot at anyone with a gun in-hand?
Very, very, very stupid and dangerous idea.

The FAA should/could create a new policy directive telling the public that an armed LEO would be on board every flight.

My answer to the question posed to all was that I would not (need to) carry if there was an LEO present.

I have no idea what you mean by " And what about all the guys who will just shoot at anyone with a gun in-hand?" Who are all the guys?

BTW I gotta wonder what ever happened to the Air Marshall service.
 
Let's turn this on it's head as a way of holding the question up to a mirror.

Should rental car agencies be allowed to ban carry in their vehicles for hire?

What if that vehicle is a club car, a limo, or say, a "party bus"?

Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution weighs heavily in my thinking here, as does Saenz v. Roe.

Others may differ in this, that's part and parcel of our Republic.
 
RikSors said:
I voted YES but NO on a plane.

Don’t want to poke holes in a pressurized cabin.
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I think that's where I'm at with it too. I voted undecided, but a train and bus is an absolute YES, but I think some jack wagon ND'ing his brand new to him CC into the cabin walls/windows and taking a plane down would be a major poke in the rear for our cause, not to mention Hyjackers and the sad mentally ill would make "plane shooter" a common term, just as "school shooter" is.

If it was on the ballot though, I would vote in favor of it since I'm against pretty much all restrictions, but that doesnt mean I think it's a great idea to let just anyone carry on a plane. My grandmother accidentally brought her lil Mustang with her into Bradley back in the late 70's and at the checkpoint the man asked her if she had a vehicle that she could return the gun to, she was allowed to walk back out through the airport and put the gun in her pickup.
 
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DustyGmt said:
I think that's where I'm at with it too. I voted undecided, but a train and bus is an absolute YES, but I think some jack wagon ND'ing his brand new to him CC into the cabin walls/windows and taking a plane down would be a major poke in the rear for our cause, not to mention Hyjackers and the sad mentally ill would make "plane shooter" a common term, just as "school shooter" is.

If it was on the ballot though, I would vote in favor of it since I'm against pretty much all restrictions, but that doesnt mean I think it's a great idea to let just anyone carry on a plane. My grandmother accidentally brought her lil Mustang with her into Bradley back in the late 70's and at the checkpoint the man asked her if she had a vehicle that she could return the gun to, she was allowed to walk back out through the airport and put the gun in her pickup.
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Hello ,Dusty. I understand your confliction. But talk to the experts in the field. The chance of a ND or even multiple shots disabling a commercial airliner are close to nil.
My son works for a major airline, knows the technical personnel, and none of them believe in a Doomsday scenario of that type.
 
Night Rider said:
They haven't succeeded since 9/11.
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It's only a good bit of luck and interagency cooperation between US and UK that the would be peroxide bombers plot was foiled. Extremely skilled investigators and surveillance teams were able to dismantle the operation just in the nick of time..... I don't travel by plane at all, and probably never will, not being able to carry would be pretty uncomfortable for me around so many people, so far from home.
 
IJ1981 said:
Hello ,Dusty. I understand your confliction. But talk to the experts in the field. The chance of a ND or even multiple shots disabling a commercial airliner are close to nil.
My son works for a major airline, knows the technical personnel, and none of them believe in a Doomsday scenario of that type.
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But I saw it happen in the movies :D

U.S. Marshalls I think was the title, with Tommy Lee Jones, convict in custody touches off a lil .22lr zip gun and blows out a huge section of the cabin.....
 
Planes are a special case - you can't escape from them and if brought down are weapons of mass destruction. The risk isn't decompression but several terrorists in a closed cabin is a guaranteed, EASY, massacre.

Given, as I said before, 3 guys with Glock 17s and higher caps mags - in a jet - that is a horror show. True, that is a massacre anywhere but a jet is worse as you can't hide or run.
 
Decompression, or bringing the plane down in some other way by a random shot, is somewhat unlikely. But the people are packed in there like sardines. If a shot goes off, it's very likely that an innocent person will be hit. And medical assistance would be delayed until the plane could land. That would be hours away if the plane is at the midpoint of the Atlantic, for instance.

Considering the recent spate of unruly passengers (many fueled by liquor), adding guns into the mix is really bad idea.
 
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Just a thought, is the TSA going to exam every gun thoroughly? Wouldn't be hard to load up a magazine or two with C4. A round on top with a fake follower, etc.
 
Sometimes I think we go way too far with the “because the Second Amendment says I can” line of thinking. I voted no because airplanes are included in the conversation. Trains and buses, sure. I don’t care. If you shoot a hole in the side of a train, nothing happens. Shoot a hole through a pressurized cabin at a few thousand feet and everybody onboard has a problem. I don’t like TSA searches. I don’t like the body scanners. I don’t like not being able to tote my pocket knife on a plane, but, I understand the reason for not having a gun on a plane.

There are very, very few situations in which I will agree with limiting the Second Amendment, but public transportation on a plane is one case in which I am completely fine with having strict rules in place against carrying a firearm on board.
 
Plane no , except for the pilot , copilot and air marshal . To many idiots out there . I have been to cookouts where a friend wants to show everyone his CC gun and is pointing it at everyone . Keep it in your holster like your private parts no one needs to see it .
 
Modern jetliners flight altitude is at around 33,000 to 42,000 feet.

Above 20k, there will be not enough oxygen to sustain us. Sure, masks will drop, but still, I would not want to poke holes at an airplane. Let alone having a shootout while traveling at a speed of over 500mph on broken open windows.
 
21H40 said:
Do you know how the other amendments are restricted?

The 1st is famously described as “it is not OK to yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater”

The 4th doesn’t cover your trash can or smells emanating from your house or car.

Pretty much each one has limits of some sort.
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They don't have shall not be infringed.
 
IJ1981 said:
Hello ,Dusty. I understand your confliction. But talk to the experts in the field. The chance of a ND or even multiple shots disabling a commercial airliner are close to nil.
My son works for a major airline, knows the technical personnel, and none of them believe in a Doomsday scenario of that type.
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Exactly bullets are not going to cause explosive decompression. But history shows that hijacking is the reason guns aren't allowed on planes. Hijacking is bad for the passengers.
 
You can, if you own them….

I don’t think the .gov should force the owners of the property to do anything they don’t want to though. If you want to, get your own and you can set the rules.

Also don’t have to stand in the lines…
 
jmorris said:
You can, if you own them….

I don’t think the .gov should force the owners of the property to do anything they don’t want to though. If you want to, get your own and you can set the rules.

Also don’t have to stand in the lines…
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This is how it should work. Property and Business owners can ask you to leave. A number of states have no enforceable signs. The response of a shopper who was armed to a mass shooter in an Indianapolis area mall which was posted with unenforceable signs is an example.
 
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