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What if nobody told you that XDe has a decocker? You would never know and be happy with it, wouldn't you? The decocker on XDe does not interfere with the operation of DA/SA and its safety in any way.
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Plan2Live
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According to who? I've never compared any of my carry pistols against a G26. As for any "Gold Standard" or benchmark, I think it is fair to say there has been more comparisons of how a particular round compares against a .357 magnum than comparing anything against a G26. When you become a G-fan do you develop an irresistible urge similar to the way "toons" react to Shave And A Haircut in Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
There is no "gold standard" CCW. The 26 is one of the slowest selling Glock pistols these days. That said, you're okay with a Glock which comes from Europe, but not a Springfield the comes from the same continent? Doesn't make much sense.
Oh, and I've had more U.S. made guns "Fail" than ones from Europe including a Shield..
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Words that can be spoken only by a Glock fanboy.
What you are missing is the XD-E is a different kind of duck than the Glock. First impression is it is intended to be a lower cost competitor to the SIG P239 with a polymer frame than many shooters like nowdays,
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I was initially veryinterested in the XDe, but after Springfield and Rock River Arms turned their back on Illinois gun owners I'll have to pass.
I'm no Glock fanboy. Glock is not perfection some have spent casing to face or top of head issues some display "limp arm" phenomenon and some perform poorly with low power promo loads. I will give credit where credit is due the G26 is the gold standard in small CCP category. For me it is comforting for someone at gun shop "function proof" gun with two magazines full of my carry ammo prior to purchase saving me time and range fee. Glock is one of the guns that can be done with the other is the military Makarov pistol. One can accept gun from one country but less so from another.
Locally at this time the hottest selling CCPs are from the S&W Shield line due to the fact there is rebate from the manufacturer plus the fact they're made in Mass USA.
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Anyone know if it has second strike capability? Not because I think it's a great way to train to handle a malfunction--obviously tap rack bang is preferred for a reason--but because it allows for snap-cap training without racking the slide between each trigger pull.
Snap-cap training with my SP101 is decidedly more productive than snap-cap training with the 1911 I had before it. And now that my wife has basically stolen my SP101 for herself, I might be picking up another handgun to be "my" gun, and this model appeals to me on a lot of different levels.
Snap-cap training with my SP101 is decidedly more productive than snap-cap training with the 1911 I had before it. And now that my wife has basically stolen my SP101 for herself, I might be picking up another handgun to be "my" gun, and this model appeals to me on a lot of different levels.
The videos I've watched from the unveiling say you can carry it either C&L or DA/SA. With the hammer back, push the safety up from horizontal to go C&L, or down from horizontal to decock into DA/SA. And the Springfield Armory rep pointed out that you can also decock into DA/SA and then activate the safety as well "if you're a belt and suspenders guy." So three different carry modes work.
Exactly. I personally don't like the lightness of a Glock's trigger combined with the lack of a thumb safety. Works for some people, but not my cup of tea.
There are precious few subcompact 9mms with a revolver-like trigger pull. This is filling a void in the market. Some little may hate a longer heavier trigger, but I like it.
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I'm no Glock fanboy, but I certainly use the Glock 26 as a bench mark when looking at subcompact pistols. I love the 26 from the weight standpoint, but I'm not particularly fond of anything else that the Glocks do other than 1) work well enough, and 2) be sufficiently simple to be idiot proof. At this point in time, I have one Glock, a 19 and that's the gun that my girlfriend uses when we shoot, though since I picked up my VP9, she favors it. As for the XD-E, I'm not impressed with Springfield's execution. The weight is higher than it's competitor double stack guns, and as a subcompact, single stack, DA/SA hammer pistol, I'd sooner take a Sig P239 SAS as I'd simply carry it loaded and in DA. If I wanted a subcompact hammer fired SAO gun, I'd take a Springfield EMP or some Officer's 1911 variant.
Keep in mind that the Sig P239 SAS is twice the price of this Springfield...MSRP of over $1,000.
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That's true. I'm just saying, for me, the XD-E just doesn't excite me the way some other things have. When the original PPS came out, that really got my attention. When the P2000SK hit the market, again my interest piqued. Same for he P30SK, original XD-S and Shield.
Nope.
Plan2Live
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Which double stack, DA/SA, hammer fired pistol (competitor) weighs less than the XD-E?
Yeah, I'm baffled. The Sig P239 and the Beretta PX4 Subcompact are equal to or slightly heavier than the XDE.
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P30SK only weighs 24 oz, carries 10 rounds. Frankly it's ridiculous to challenge the assertion that XD-E is overweight for that it is. It's heavier than XD-S, which is already heavy among its competitors.
We've named three competitors, all within an ounce or so of the XDE, and the XDE isn't even the heaviest of the bunch.
Not to mention the main virtue of single stacks is not weight, but thinness. And this is a thin gun compared to most other DA/SA 9mms on the market.
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For your consideration if not already seen:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...armory-rock-river-arms-no-more-for-me.820876/
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...armory-rock-river-arms-no-more-for-me.820876/
The Cz Rami is an all metal double stack 10 round da/sa and weighs only 1 oz more than the xde. The Hk p2000sk weighs 1 oz less than the xde and holds 10 rounds as well. Not surprised though, SA's never been one to shave a few oz's on their smaller handguns. I don't understand why a single stack weighs the same as competitors double stacks though, seems like some weight could have been shaved off somewhere. An ounce or two isn't that big a deal, but I do notice it when I'm jogging or working out. You'd be surprised what a few ounce can do to your workout attire.
Winkman822
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For what it's worth, if someone is getting a super slim gun, odds are they are also trying to shed some weight as well to aid in ease/comfort of all day carry. No matter what anyone says, the XD-E is just a chunky gun for it's class of pistol. Heck even the Kahr K9 with it's all stainless steel construction weighs less than the XD-E. In no world should a polymer framed subcompact single stack gun weigh more than an all stainless single stack gun. I know for a fact that when I reach for my PPS instead of my P30, P99cAS, or P229, it's because I want something that is thin AND light, very likely because it's a day where I need to be in a suit for work and can't really run a proper gun belt through the belt loops of the slacks. And here's something else to chew on, the much larger Glock 19 is lighter than the XD-E. I'm sure that the XD-E is a fine pistol and will sell decently, but at the end of the day, I think Springfield missed the mark with this one.
Thanks, forgot about Kahr. The Kahr K9 and MK9 are as achingly beautiful (especially with wood grips) as the GRIP ZONE is tacky.
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Thanks for clarifying. It appears you don't understand that the XD-E is a DA/SA, hammer fired pistol and that is its appeal. Neither the Kahr nor the G19 are hammer fired DA/SA pistols. People who gravitate to hammer fired, DA/SA pistols do so for reasons beyond weight and capacity.
A SA option on the P290 would be a closer analogue, and probably easier to implement with different hammer geometry and a sear notch.
Winkman822
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I understand perfectly well. The point is that the purpose of a super slim gun like the XD-E and is to be a lighter weight low profile concealed carry. This would be something like what i'd wear when wearing clothing that is not conducive to concealing something like my P229 or P30. And I used the Kahr as an example because it's an ALL STEEL gun that weighs less than the XD-E with its polymer frame and stainless slide. In no world should an ALL STEEL gun be lighter than a polymer framed pistol. The Glock 19 was used as an example because it's a much larger polymer framed gun that still weighs less than the XD-E. Bottom line, Springfield could have done much better with this to make it more appealing to the folks who are looking for a DA/SA low profile gun.
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