BIGGBAY90
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That might still be stronger then what i hav now(ha) great picture a1abdj----im still looking---and i learned a whole lot(thinking my safe was bullet proof(liberty centurion)-but i do want a strong safe
LOL, that is awesome. I would actually buy one of those! What do you want for that shipped down to Texas?
Frank, you must be the most patient guy in the world. You've been doing these kinds of informational threads and discussions for years on THR and I'm amazed you've still got the patience for it.
Wow---is that the sturdy safe
If the door will close without a compression system, it's not that tight. I'm working on a safe conversion now where the safe is 1" plate all the way around, and it's tighter than the door in your photo, and it doesn't have a compression system.
The problem is still not how tight the door is. That is a minor inconvienance for somebody who knows what they're doing. If the material can be deformed, that tight space won't stay tight forever.
What? Didn't you just contradict yourself
Hey it's your dream make it as big as you want.
Structural steel that's likely A50 grade (50,000PSI Yield Strength) or A36 minimum and you have a gap the width of two sheets of paper thick to try get a gap big enough to get a pry bar toe hold with that will only be pushing into the plate verses lifting up on the door.
We haven't even get to how much force will be needed and how long it will need to be sustained in order to get an opening in the door, he's a hint you wouldn't be able to do it with a 15 Ton Crane.
So if a sheet of paper cannot get throught how would just a crowbar get started ----maybe with a hammer but we were talking about a crowbar and ax only.-----humm a1abdj with that smmmmalll gap can just a crowbar open some safes?
However, Frank (a1abdj) is not just educating here, he’s trying to sell a Chinese safe to a good American patriot on this thread.
Therefore, Frank has an alternative motive to say the things he is saying about Sturdy Safe.
To prove his point, Frank shows a picture of a much inferior, pried open Winchester safe.
It only has a ¼ door, plus a thin 11g body, yet he just states he has seen thicker safes pried open.
He also admits the linkage was the weak link in this attack, and that the door was not recessed like ours, which helps prevent pry attacks.
In another point, he straight up said he can pry a Sturdy Safe door open,
using methods unknown to everybody but him
Keep in mind, he says this knowing it would take over 10000lb of pressure to even attempt to pull the door out on a single corner of a Sturdy Safe.
To prove our point, we did a myth busters video on Frank‘s claim. Is it really possible to generate OVER 10000 lb of force using a pry bar, which could POSSIBLY open a Sturdy Safe door. Here is a private link to see it. We made it especially for all the guys in this forum. Please note we are using the same forklift and pry bar as used in our other videos.
This video includes a pry bar, that in no way, can be used against a Sturdy Safe because it’s tip is too thick, but we used this heavy duty pry bar to prove a point anyways. What we are trying to do in this video clip is to generate just 9000lb of force at the tip of the pry bar. Even with this heavy duty forged pry bar, and a cheater bar, we could not lift one end of a stack of steel weighing 9000lb. To further understand why we were using 9000lb as a reference point, please go to our website and look at our 10000lb. forklift test video.
The public tends to get mad at anyone who would stretch the truth out of the realm of practicality simply to discredit an American made safe, like Sturdy.
Sturdy is all for sharing practical and honest information about gun safes and fire safe. We feel we do so better than any other gun safe mfg in the US.
We also welcome practical debates, and that use to be where Frank came from, but now it seems he will say anything, regardless of practicality, in the sole effort to damage Sturdy and sell his own goods.
I can't wait to see Franks response. My guess is he's building a cardboard pry bar so he can demonstrate his theory on his cardboard safe.
The real issue is how are you going to generate a tension well in excess of 10,000 LBS as the fork truck video shows. The door frame, welds, bolts, linkages everything made it through that test and the safe still functioned, it did look like it was a little more difficult to turn the handle so a bolt may have been slightly bent; however, the tension was applied at the worst possible place it could be so Terry really wasn't even being fair to himself.
Frank,
I saw your comment on the flat stock flexing. Of course it would, and so too would the 1/2" flat plate stock used in your Chinese safe if it didn't have the heavy 3/16" L channel and U channel that's framed under the Sturdy Safe door.
Quote:
"The rigidity of any given material is inherent in its molecular composition."
to a point, but it is much more determined by the material's form, e.g. an I-beam is far more rigid than a thin cylindrical rod of the same weight of material.
Frank, Here is an old post from adirondack that explains to you why your "test" is bogus.
I know a salesman when I see one.
I just have a problem when someone is masquerading as objective when clearly he's not.
I thought it was pretty humorous that Sturdy actually felt the need to make a video for you Frank. You should feel honored. I bet American Security would have simply laughed and went on with their record safe sales.
You will see that I have well over 1,000 informational posts here on this forum as they relate to safes.
You do? What am I selling? Is it a subliminal thing? Perhaps I'm selling stuff that I don't even know I'm selling.
You've been pushing Amsec since the day I joined this site.
And you've brought up your "B rated" gun safe several times as well.
You do a great job twisting things around as well so that they present the safes you sell in a more positive light.
If anyone has alternative motives it's the Sturdy safe company because they are trying to sell safes here in this thread. Also a few of the participating members in this thread have alternative motives because they own a Sturdy safe and refuse to accept the facts.
If somebody from the forum wants to buy a safe from me, I'll gladly sell it to them. I may be suggesting the safe, but you don't really see me here suggesting that they buy them from me.
Ironically, you own a Sturdy and a Brown: The only two manufacturers that post on this site. Who's here to sell safes again?
Sturdy is on here because Frank has spent days saying he can do something to their safe they believe he can't.
And a fact is something that is proven, until Frank proves he can break into a Sturdy Safe using a pry bar it's just a dream.
I will tell you what's a fact. That I can break through a 1.5 inch concrete block with my hand.
That's why I don't buy into Franks theory about how an 11 gauge, or is it 12 gauge now, outer shell with a 1.5 inch concrete, pearlite or whatever followed with a 16 gauge inner shell will keep anyone out of that Amsec for more then a minute.
Of course I bought the Brown prior to him coming on here to correct the misinformation you stated about their safes. I can't fault him for setting the record straight. Apparently you haven't gotten over it. But thats par for the course.
Sturdy has also come here to correct your misrepresentaions. Misrepresentations that some gullible THR readers call "facts."
BTW got my Brown today, the finish is excellent unlike what you said about the two you say you saw.
Actually, they were here long before this thread.
To prove our point, we did a myth busters video on Frank‘s claim.