Students assaulted at my campus.

[indoorsoccerfrea]

Consistent with past practice, the Department of Public Safety and the Division of Student Development issue bulletins throughout the academic year when occurrences compromise the safety and security of individuals within our community.

THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS AN UPDATE TO THE INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED AT AN APARTMENT ON EAST ******* STREET DURING THE EVENING HOURS OF MARCH 9, 2009. THE CAMPUS EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION SYSTEM WAS ACTIVATED AT THAT TIME TO APPRISE THE COMMUNITY OF THE SITUATION.

Three suspects entered a university-owned apartment on East ******* Street after being admitted to the building by occupants believing they were there for a food delivery. Upon entry the suspects displayed a rifle and pistol and demanded money from the two residents. One of the suspects assaulted a resident, injuring him. The injured student was treated at an area hospital and released last night. The suspects then took some of the occupants’ belongings and fled the apartment.

Witnesses reported the three suspects fled the area in a large, dark car with tinted windows. They described the car as a full-sized sedan, possibly a Chevrolet Impala or Buick.

The students described the suspects as three African-American males, all 18-22 years of age:


1) 5’11” tall, corn row hairstyle, carrying a rifle

2) 5’5” tall, corn row hairstyle, no weapon displayed

3) 5’4” tall, light beard, carrying a black semi-automatic handgun


University of ****** and ****** Police Department officers canvassed the surrounding neighborhood and interviewed witnesses regarding this incident. The University of ****** Police Department and ****** Police Department are continuing their investigation into this incident and will continue to follow any additional leads. Should you have additional information regarding this incident, please contact the University of ****** Police Department at ***-****.

IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT STUDENTS IMMEDIATELY REPORT ANY ACTIVITY THAT CREATES A POTENTIAL THREAT TO THE COMMUNITY. WE RELY HEAVILY ON EYEWITNESSES TO KEEP OUR CAMPUS SAFE.

We ask each of you to consider your personal safety at all times. Please make sure that your windows and doors are locked at all times, particularly before retiring or when leaving your residence. Whenever possible do not walk or jog alone. Either make arrangements to walk with someone or use the Department of Public Safety Escort Service, available at ***-****. Should you see any person committing an offense against another person or acting suspiciously, please contact our offices immediately by calling 911 from any campus phone or by calling ***-**** from any off-campus phone or cellular telephone . Additional information concerning crime prevention and personal safety can be found at the Department of Public Safety Home Page.



DANGIT people! When will you get it through your head that "Gun Free Zones" don't work? Walking outside and fearing attack by three freaks while not being allowed to carry? I hate it. I know I am preaching to the choir, but come on people!

 

[HK G3]

I am so thankful that I live on off-campus housing, and when a bunch of thugs tried to break into my house, I had an H&K 91 to defend myself with

Stories like these are just really upsetting - it's a bunch of urban predators, with wanton disregard for human life and dignity, preying upon what they perceive as the helpless, who have things that they would like to take, instead of getting jobs and working for what they own.

 

[snipe300]

The college I attend (TTU) has a text message alert system which is supposed to warn the students in case of an armed intruder. We actually had some guys shoot up the on campus apartments last year. I got the text 12 HOURS LATER. I am now the campus head for concealedcampus.org. You are indeed preaching to the choir, but we like preaching

 

[TAB]

what makes you think that if they let guns on campus that it would have stopped that from happening?

 

[indoorsoccerfrea]

what a coincidence! I too am the campus leader. PM me with details on your chapter, I am the first of my ilk on this campus... I need ideas to get started. Thanks!

 

[indoorsoccerfrea]

TAB, I am not stating that it could have stopped it from happening, I'm just fed up with the "students don't need to carry on campus because it is safe" bull. Obviously it has been proven many times over the past.

 

[Cannonball888]

TAB, I am not stating that it could have stopped it from happening

I am.

what makes you think that if they let guns on campus that it would have stopped that from happening?

Knowing that guns are on campus could be a deterent to robbers, or be their demise.

 

[indoorsoccerfrea]

^^ true to that...

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Criminals love unarmed victims. There are times that breaking the rules aren't such a risk when weighed against the consequences of being defenseless. Considering you can keep your mouth shut. When I was in college a fellow student was so proud of his .44 he couldn't help but show people. He was expelled shortly after.
If you are legally able to keep and bear arms of a given type if your given state, I don't think a group of glorified preschool teachers has the right to deny you that and replace it with something so completely inept as campus security that would have a serious fight on their hands with an inebriated freshman girl, requiring backup.
I'm not advocating breaking the law. But some schools think they make/modify the law. They are wrong.
I've heard the argument that guns shouldn't be allowed because alcohol is present and prevalent. I don't buy it. This is the real world. You are legally an adult. Welcome to responsibility. If you can't keep your mouth shut, there are consequences. If you can't control your temper, there are consequences. There's alcohol in the real world too. Make your choices. If you were raised by parents who taught you to be responsible you will have no problems. If you weren't, you shouldn't be outside unsupervised and will take a crash course in the real world quickly or will end up behind bars or under dirt.

 

[rmmoore]

"Whenever possible do not walk or jog alone."


Weren't the victim's together, in a walled, semi-secure structure when THIS happened? So, walking or jogging with someone after dark or in remote areas would make them safer? GIVE ME A BREAK!!! That is total B.LLSH.T!!!!!! Ahhh, in a park, on a path that might be somewhat unattened, but you're with a freind and now you're magically safe? Ask some of the victims in NYC Central Park if that worked out well for them. PACK and CARRY. Knowing your potential victims either ARE armed, or very likely MAY BE armed is a deterrent for the bad guys to go somehwere else "shopping". Consider Florida as a textbook example.

It had one of higher violent crime rates, including murder. Enacted "liberal" (cough, choke, spew) CCW shall issue laws. POOF, thousands upon thousands of CCW permits issued to coeds, little-old-ladies, blue collar, white collar, ect. ect citizens. Hey hey, guess what? In only a couple/few years, violent crime rates dropped like a rock. Why? Because the bad guys didn't know who MIGHT be packing, especially after a few high profile self defense shootings.

Gun free zones = target rich enviroments where it's almost GUARANTEED they will not meet resistance in any form that has substance. The good guys and gals OBEY the laws, that's why they're "GOOD". And, the bad guys DON"T obey them, that's why they're "BAD". Good God, people, it's not rocket science here. Just some basic "Webster" definitions, and a tiny, tiny amount of common-sense are enough to figure it out. Oh crap, I said it didn't I, that nasty word, the "C-S" one. Damned it, I forgot, public schools and the give-it-to-me-now because I'm me and I'm 'special' crowd have dumbed down/bred it out of most everyone these days. Jeeze, I need a drink

 

[209]

"Whenever possible do not walk or jog alone."


Weren't the victim's together, in a walled, semi-secure structure when THIS happened?

Under Clery, the campus must issue a "Crime Alert" for situations involving a danger to the campus community in a timely manner.

The "Whenever possible do not walk or jog alone" is one of the canned safety tips. You are right, it doesn't apply. But putting a safety tip in which doesn't apply to the situation isn't a violation of the law. It may be just stupid, but the Feds won't fine the university for that.

Half of the time, I can't figure out an appropriate one when issuing those things. And most of the canned tips are trite at best. I should probably take one of the fiction workshops or a creative writing course.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

12 hours from incident to EAS is just too much.

Im now more convinced than ever that Universities and Colleges are too old and too slow to process crime in a agile and timely manner.

 

[sernv99]

ever been around a bunch of 18-22 years old on a large college campus? Why add guns to the mix. A significant portion of the college population are still immature. All it takes is one student to be belligerent when drunk or when there is some other incident going on campus (e.g. mini riot when there schools wins the NCAA championship) where some pissed off kid who gets his car torched, decides to give some payback. Then you will see every Tom, Dick, and Harry politician pushing for tighter gun control.

 

[inclinebench]

I agree that punk kids with CCW could be scary. But not all college kids are punk kids. Many are former military, ROTC, or in some cases, actual military. I would feel much better about going on the local campus if the Corps of Cadets were allowed to carry concealed, or even open carry.

 

[sernv99]

you are right, not all college kids are punks. All it takes is one or two to act irresponsibly with a gun and ruin it for the rest of us. As I say again, ever been around a bunch of 18-22 year olds? Ever see how a guy acts when he finds out his gf was banging some other guy on campus? Or what goes on at a frat party? Or what happens after the school's team wins the NCAA championship? All it takes is one belligerent idiot kid with a CW to start blasting away in anger to screw things up for the rest of us.

 

[indoorsoccerfrea]

I understand that there are a lot of immature people on college campuses, but there are a lot of immature people NOT on college campuses. I agree that there are drinking problems on campuses, but there are drinking problems NOT on campus. What I'm trying to say is that people don't change their behavior when they go home for the weekend. They are who they are. And the person I am, an Eagle Scout who abstains completely from drinking, hates that I am forbidden to carry on campus. Yes there are people here who generally shouldn't be around guns, but they have that right until they do something to remove it.

some pissed off kid who gets his car torched, decides to give some payback

If that's the case, I doubt a puny little gun free sign is going to stop him.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

I have some college under my belt. It was mostly a good school with good students of all ages. But it is a experience to be sitting there in my advanced years with a class mixed in age group from 18 on up.

One or two were well past retirement age and they did quite well.

I see College as one of two ways. A place to absorb knowledge and learn new things, make friends or a place that is given itself over to partying and drinking in general without picking on any one school in particular.

Colleges that had a active Military presence such as ROTC or even visits from the US Marine Drill team or other services from time to time, were really good places to be.

I did do one thing right when I went to college. I did so as a homeowner free and clear away from University rules (Except during class hours) and away from the random incursions from those who are NOT students driving onto the campus for a variety of reasons, some of which unfortunately related to drugs and what not.

 

[Gamera]

sernv99, I disagree with your position.

A significant portion of the college population are still immature.

First, you have to remember that to get a CWP you must be 21, which means that mainly juniors and seniors (i.e. more mature people) will have them.

Second, these same young adults can carry nearly any where else they want, so why not on school property?

Third, the type of people that get CWPs are not the type of people that "start blasting away in anger" when they have a bad day.

All it takes is one or two to act irresponsibly with a gun and ruin it for the rest of us.

You're right, so perhaps we shouldn't let ANYone carry a concealed weapons, because hey, all it takes is one irresponsible act to ruin it for the rest of us. In fact, let's not let anyone have a gun, because some maniac could go on a rampage and ruin it for the rest of us.
(I realize I'm exaggerating this a little bit, but that is where your line of thinking could lead.)

EDIT: indoorsoccerfrea pretty much nailed it

 

[Iggy]

Sheep used to learn to gather around a goat with a bell on it.

Now they are trained to respond to a text message.

 

[indoorsoccerfrea]

or an email!

Why can't we just have an air siren? That would get our attention a little better.

 

[DeathByCactus]

Why block out the school? University of Houston gets these things in their reports all the time. We have a security email reports that go out whenever a crime has been committed. We had a few robbery at gun points last semester. I don't even acknowledge them anymore.

 

[twoclones]

Why can't we just have an air siren?

Gun shot would be more effective in the area closest to the crime

 

[sernv99]

First, you have to remember that to get a CWP you must be 21, which means that mainly juniors and seniors (i.e. more mature people) will have them.

I disagree, I don't see how "maturity" increases significantly over the course of 2 years, i.e. 19 to 21.

Second, these same young adults can carry nearly any where else they want, so why not on school property?

you never hung out at a college campus huh? going to school is more than just going to your Physics class. It is also dealing with "campus" life. I'm not concerned about lil' Joey sitting in class while CCW'ing and learning about quantum mechanics. I'm concerned about lil' Joey hanging out with the crew at Delta Phsi whatever frat house on campus (which a lot of colleges do have on campus greek housing) drinking, being belligerent, immature, etc. and CCW'ing.

Third, the type of people that get CWPs are not the type of people that "start blasting away in anger" when they have a bad day. you assumed I was talking about any who has a CWP, which you assumed wrong. I was talking about lil' Joey, 21 years old, who has a CWP and a more probable chance of acting like a fool when his emotions get the best of him because he found out his gf Betty Sue is banging his best friend, etc. You think you are not the onloy one who has lived the life of a 21 year old? Everyone has, I don't know how old you are, but a 21 year old is more prone to do something stupid out of emotions or anger than a 30 year old.

so perhaps we shouldn't let ANYone carry a concealed weapons, because hey, all it takes is one irresponsible act to ruin it for the rest of us. In fact, let's not let anyone have a gun, because some maniac could go on a rampage and ruin it for the rest of us.
(I realize I'm exaggerating this a little bit, but that is where your line of thinking could lead.)

you are right, anyone having a gun and going on a rampage could ruin it for the rest of us, so why add fuel to the fire and allow immature college kids to CCW on campus? Sort of like when people debate about lowering the drinking age back 18 again, this would help prevent kids from drunk driving and binge drinking sure it will......

 

[Deanimator]

Knowing that guns are on campus could be a deterent to robbers, or be their demise.

Freaks like Cho Seung Hui aren't looking for a shoot out. They're looking for a shooting gallery full of helpless victims. He didn't go to a police station. He went to a "gun free" zone. Gun bans on campuses provide these monsters with exactly what they want. Imbeciles profess to be surprised when the chum they dump in these college waters attracts "sharks"...

 

[Deanimator]

I disagree, I don't see how "maturity" increases significantly over the course of 2 years, i.e. 19 to 21.

You seem to be saying that the age for a concealed firearm credential should be higher than it is. HOW high? 25? 30? 40?