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Somebody whispered Dan Wesson Pointman in my ear last week and now I am doing my research on these guns. Available in 10mm. This could be my next Semi., but a revolver is on the list ahead of a Semi. for me.
Tax Return Time! Which 10mm?
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Tanfoglio Witness Elite Match is the answer, IMO. SAO trigger, somewhat better grade than the non-Elite level Tanfo's, big wide backstrap and good weight for comfortable 10mm shooting, outstanding case support, just light enough to be carryable (as opposed to, say, the Tanfo Hunter, which just about requires a shoulder rig).
I have one of those, and it is indeed a sweet, sweet gun. Too heavy for any kind of non-gamer carry, IMO, but a terrific shooter.
FYI, those are the old-style, fairly fat rubber grips on your Match. You can get grips that are substantially thinner than that from a variety of sources.
Here are some of the options (note that the factory grips show are the wood ones that come on Stock II's - but they are similar in dimensions to the old rubber ones you've got):
I personally like the Hennings. I can reach the mag release with my right thumb with the Hennings, but have to "flip" the gun in my grip a touch to get there with the wood or rubber factory grips. The LOK grips are G10, IIRC, while the others are milled aluminum.
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I know! Isn't that awful! When I'm looking at spec sheets, performance reports/reviews from folks, factory support, aftermarket support, everything in my brain says, "dude, just get a Glock!" But when I go to the gun shop and pick one up, I just leave it there, because after I have held it, I think to myself, "Self, that's just not something you want to spend that money on!" And I think if I were somehow transported back in time and somehow found myself in the position of advising the enginerds at Glock before they had gotten off the ground, I would have begged for a normal steel magazine! I think if their magazine were thinner, their grip would be thin enough for me to stomach the Glock! Anyway, design choices, butterfly effect, etc.
On the plastic comment... I really didn't mean it that way! I promise! I just wasn't aware (or didn't think of) the plastic guns I didn't mention! I didn't know about the Springfield, and I certainly had no idea of the Sig 320! So, thanks for mentioning them! I had completely overlooked them. I'm still thinking toward a Tanfoglio or RIA at the moment, but I'll check out those other ones. I haven't shot an XD since they were brand new. And an M&P in 10mm? Who knows, because I really do like that gun. I can't see how to change my poll, because I probably should have left another couple of choices.
More questions coming...
Here's a thread that compiles pictures of barrel case support in various 10mm's. I started it with photos of Tanfo' barrels. You may equal their case support, but you won't find better.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/10mm-case-support-photos.844352/
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The 10mm Glocks flip more than the Tanfo's in recoil, but the flex in the frame (and you can really feel them flexing with 10mm) does take the sting out and make them more comfortable to shoot than a gun that weight should be. The Glocks are generally 100% reliable OOB; Tanfo's are Italian performance machines and occasionally require tweaking to get right. Once they are "right," they are every bit as as reliable as Glocks. The Glock will likely be more tolerant of serious abuse (dropped in mud, left soaked in sweat, etc.). The Glock will be cheaper than the nice Tanfo's. The Glock trigger will never be as good as a Tanfo can be gotten. The Glock will generally be accurate, and the Tanfo even more so.
The Glock grew from a service gun background, and basically is still a service gun. The Tanfo' comes from a competition background. One is a police cruiser, the other is a sports car. You'll have to decide which suits your tastes and needs.
This is a very accurate summary.
While I've had a somewhat spotty history with early CZ and their clones, I'd choose one over a 1911 platform.
My last 10mm temptation was a SIG 220, my latest is the SIG 320...but alas it is not to be
I have a small herd of 10mm guns, including a 1911. The only one still in production is the Springfield XDm-4.5. I also have a Witness, just not in 10mm. The only thing that makes the 1911 enjoyable to shoot is the 7 inch barrel and slide (versus 5 inches for a standard Delta Elite or other 1911).
I intended to buy a 10mm conversion for my Witness until the XDm was announced. It has been a fabulous gun from round 1 and I would highly recommend it to anyone looking to buy a non-collectible 10mm. I agree that Glocks in general usually do nothing for me (although I do own a few).
I intended to buy a 10mm conversion for my Witness until the XDm was announced. It has been a fabulous gun from round 1 and I would highly recommend it to anyone looking to buy a non-collectible 10mm. I agree that Glocks in general usually do nothing for me (although I do own a few).
Thank you for that information! I really dislike the feel of rubber on guns, and Hate the look of it. I will do searches for new grips now.
Here's the direct source for the Henning grips. Note that different Tanfo' models require different sizes (has to do with the length of the grip and the location of the grip screw). https://www.henningshop.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1284113&CAT=9249 The Match is a little bit of an oddball (though I love mine) in that it's frame isn't quite the same as the other Elite-series guns, so you have to read carefully about which ones to buy.
Well I ordered a pair of Lok grips for one Match. Now I’m trying to decide between the EDG or Henning for the other Match. I like the grip pattern on the EDG better, but I like the thumb groove on the Henning.
Just to be sure, do you know if the EDG is aluminum like the Henning?
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Is there a link, or am I missing something?
D'oh! I forgot to paste in the link. Here it is: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/10mm-case-support-photos.844352/ (I've also edited the earlier post.)
Yes, except that I think they can also be had in brass (which adds weight). But I believe all the versions except the special brass ones (which are brass-colored) are alu'.
I’ve got an EAA/Tanfoglio Witness, full size. I bought it as a 45acp and then bought the 40 S&W conversation. If I wanted a 10mm I’d get another one in a heartbeat. I’ve had it a long time, some of the first ones imported to the US. I’d never heard of them but my friend gun dealer was willing to order one on approval. Once I grabbed hold of it he didn’t get it back. Love 1911s got several, but there’s just something about the CZs!
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So... I looked into conversion kits... It's really good to know that conversion kits are available even if they are out of stock sometimes. Where do you folks who have them get them? Any favorite retailers?
Now I'm thinking I can get a Witness Limited, either in 10mm or 9mm, it doesn't matter, and get a conversion for the other caliber. I'll have my 9mm race gun, if I want to run .40 for major power factor I can get another conversion, and I can get my 10mm that I'm looking for!
Anyone know of a source for threaded Witness Limited barrels so I can get a compensator? Or even just longer barrels so I can thread it myself? Or will the "Gold Team" barrels fit? In case I want to shoot Open with an optic. It's even already drilled/tapped for a mount!
I'm thinking my mind is made up now... Those conversion kits are just too sweet!
Let me know if you think this is a bad idea! Or if this is what you have done in the past with Tanfoglios (even if not in 10mm).
Now I'm thinking I can get a Witness Limited, either in 10mm or 9mm, it doesn't matter, and get a conversion for the other caliber. I'll have my 9mm race gun, if I want to run .40 for major power factor I can get another conversion, and I can get my 10mm that I'm looking for!
Anyone know of a source for threaded Witness Limited barrels so I can get a compensator? Or even just longer barrels so I can thread it myself? Or will the "Gold Team" barrels fit? In case I want to shoot Open with an optic. It's even already drilled/tapped for a mount!
I'm thinking my mind is made up now... Those conversion kits are just too sweet!
Let me know if you think this is a bad idea! Or if this is what you have done in the past with Tanfoglios (even if not in 10mm).
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Yep, that's right. G10 and multiple textures are available. I got the Bogies for my Shadow 2 and they are very nicely made. The texture can almost feel too aggressive when you are handling or dry firing the gun, but you don't notice at all when you are shooting.
While some people scoff at the 8+1 capacity of the 10mm Sig P220, the lower capacity is only an issue if the shooter decides it's an issue. Obviously I wouldn't use it to compete (or any 10mm really) but if you are looking for a good field pistol in 10mm, you like Sigs, and you don't mind a heavy gun, I think you'd enjoy the P220. I have a SAO and a DA/SA variant. I like them both quite a lot.
Leaked pictures indicate it is a real conversion, and FB posts from CZC indicate straight purchases of converted guns will be available.
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