The CMP and their Garands

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Is the CMP the best place to buy Service Grade M1 Garands? Are there any other places that offer comparable prices?

I am told that you have to "apply" to buy a rifle from CMP? Why is this? Doesn't this make it longer and more complicated than buying from a regular store?

Do I have to furnish a copy of my FFL if I order a M1 from the CMP?

Anyone here dealt with the CMP in the past? How is the service and process?
 
Is the CMP the best place to buy Service Grade M1 Garands?
yes

Are there any other places that offer comparable prices?
no

I am told that you have to "apply" to buy a rifle from CMP?
no, but you have to meet a few requirements.

Why is this?
not sure, but its worth it.

Doesn't this make it longer and more complicated than buying from a regular store?
yes, but well worth it.

Do I have to furnish a copy of my FFL if I order a M1 from the CMP?
no

Anyone here dealt with the CMP in the past?
yes

How is the service and process?
second to none.

check out the cmp website for all the info you need
http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm
 
Why is this?

When Congress set up the CMP the idea was to provide rifles to those participating in marksmanship programs, not just to get cheap surplus guns to people.

So, the rules require that you show proof that you have some involvement in shooting sports. Over the years the activities that count towards that have expanded to include all kinds of things.
 
CMP has two stores nationwide. One is about 45minutes from my driveway here in Ohio. The other is in Anniston, Alabama.
Take a look at the requirements online, get your paperwork in order, and go to south store to pick out your own.
The requirements are not that hard to meet. Keeps out the riff raff.
http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm
If Anniston is too far to drive, you can just send in your paperwork and an M1 will eventually be delivered directly to your home, no FFL needed.
So far, I have only bought an M1 carbine from CMP. but I am so glad I did. A Garand will be next.
 
Is the CMP the best place to buy Service Grade M1 Garands?

The stores don't have service grades right now because the mail-order demand is so high they get shipped right away. It's about a 6 month wait for one by mail.

Some people are not as happy with their service grades as they once were. There's a sense that the cosmetic stuff is going downhill as the CMP is starting to run out of rifles. Frequently people used to get arsenal rebuilt Garands that were good as new when they ordered a service grade. Those are probably mostly gone and the current batch have some signs of use but are mechanically very good.

Other options to consider are "CMP Special Grade" M1s that are rebarreled (commercial barrel), refinished Garands with new commercial stocks. That's what I got since I want a shooter rather than a collecter's item. The price is higher, but you basically get a rifle that looks and functions like a newly manufactured rifle.

If you're willing to spend even more extra coin, then there are places like www.fultonarmory.com that have rebuild Garands that are very very nicely done and can be made to your specifications from really clean service grade to a match rifle that can shoot MOA all day long.

The paperwork/application isn't so bad, and it's worth the effort. Kinda cool to have the government send you one of their rifles.

-J.
 
I havent heard of anyone complaining about the Service Grades. The are probably the best deal out there.
The will come with either USGI wood or new commercial Boyds replacement wood.
The Rackers and Fields can be rough but Service Grades are very nice .
If you can get to one of the stores you may find a very nice diamond in the rough in a Field Grade

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You do have to 'apply' by sending in your personal info sufficient for them to do a backgroound check on you, some sort of cerification that you are a member of an CMP afilitated shooting or collecting club, a notarized statement that you are the buyer buying for your own use, and money up front.

You have to know how to fill an application/order sheet correctly. The application is about three pages long, and you have to pay for your own notarized signature on one of them.

Despite what you've "been told" everything you need to know about eligibility to purchase from CMP is contained right in their website, specifically on this page: http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm
 
well, they dont call it an "application". they call it an order form, hence my "no" to that question.

if they called it an a application, then i would say you have to apply for one.

but they call it an "order form" so really, your ordering one, not applying for one.

you apply for a job. you order a rifle, once you meet the eligibility requirements.
 
Its really no different than buying a firearm at your local dealer other than the club membership and Notary
Most banks will do the notary for free if you have a account there. The notary only has to be done once evey three years
The paperwork may look overwhelming but its really simple, heck a caveman could do it:)
 
So, the rules require that you show proof that you have some involvement in shooting sports. Over the years the activities that count towards that have expanded to include all kinds of things.

yep. i qualified because of my membership in the texas state rifle association, and my texas concealed handgun license fulfilled the training requirements.
 
Flyinbryan: well, they dont call it an "application". they call it an order form, hence my "no" to that question.

if they called it an a application, then i would say you have to apply for one.

but they call it an "order form" so really, your ordering one, not applying for one.

you apply for a job. you order a rifle, once you meet the eligibility requirements
FROM The CMP instructions for purchase:: In the summer of 2003, the CMP revised the purchase forms and streamlined procedures for repeat customers. If you complete a new Universal Purchaser Certification and Agreement to buy a rifle from the CMP, signed before a Notary Public on or after July 1, 2003, you may for a period of three (3) years thereafter submit an application to purchase additional rifles, parts or ammunition without having the Purchaser Certification and Agreement notarized - provided that the “SHIP TO” address on the order form remains exactly the same.

Although for repeat orders you will not have to have the forms notarized, hard copy liability/order/certification forms – pages 1a,2a,and 3a – must still be completed and sent to the CMP with original (wet) signatures. These orders may not be faxed or emailed.

After three years a new notarized Universal Purchaser Certification and Agreement will be required for any additional rifle purchase. Any change of address on the order form automatically will require a new notarized Universal Purchaser Certification and Agreement.

Please note that this streamlined procedure is available only to customers who have completed a notarized “Universal” Purchaser Certification and Agreement. An application submitted on an earlier form (dated before summer 2003) will still be processed by CMP, but for that transaction only; it will not be accepted for repeat sales.

Proof of citizenship, age, CMP-affiliated club membership and competitive shooting participation, and any copy of any license, permit, or Firearms Owner ID card required by your State or locality submitted with your initial “Universal” application will be kept on file by the CMP. If any item of proof above has expired, you must submit proof of current status with any subsequent application

Neener :neener:
 
Yes CMP is a great organization for so many reasons and the rifles are worth the wait. Many of the rifles you recieve these days require a bit of cosmetic TLC when they arrive but that is half of the fun...

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Skidooman is right, that TLC part is a ball if you like that sort of thing. This afternoon I'm restoring the stock of my recent rack grade, and it is turning out to be an exceptional piece of wood in fantastic condition with lots of mixed grain and tiger stripe.

And yup, there are lots of diamonds in the rough amongst field grades, and even rack grades if you pick them in person. While I wouldn't order a rack grade without inspecting it first, I wouldn't hesitate to do so with a field grade.

BTW, if the CMP application poses a challenge to anyone, then they may well have some other more pressing issues. Easy peasy.
 
I've purchased 3 Service grade M1 Garands from the CMP. Since I couldn't go to the store to pick one myself, I figured I'd keep the best of the three and sell the other two.

The first one was -really- nice, both metal and wood, and a fine fine shooter to boot!

The 2nd one had metal at least as good, if not better than, the first .... but it had a BRAND NEW stock.

The 3rd was much like the first. Haven't had a chance to shoot #2 or 3 yet, but if #2 shoots as well as #1, that is the one I'll be keeping.

Process is slow ... damn near glacial, but well worth the wait.

All three were HRA's, and as it turns out my gunsmith worked at HRA when these were made. In his words "The guy that rebuilt this -really- knew what he was doing. The only thing wrong with this rifle is that it's unloaded."
 
The system was set up as a Civilian Marksmanship support organization.

The process is supposed to be for a person to buy a rifle for their own personal use in matches, etc., that is why there are some hoops to jump through.

But as with a lot of things in our society a significant group of people try to use it as their own personal supplier of rifles to sell to the public at a profit. Just look at the boxes at many gun shows that contain M1s and you will see that the rifles came from the CMP. No only unethical, but could get their privileges revoked, which I wish more were. These quasi dealers are responsible for taking more than their fair share of the rifles, and depleting the reserves that future generations of shooters could have tapped in to.

The CMP tries through the process to control it, but has little luck without the help of the public.

Do a good deed, report those who do this to the CMP, and help preserve the intent of the organization.


(Yes, I know this is talking about some of you, get over it.)
 
There is absolulty nothing wrong with selling a CMP rifle. There is nothing that says you must take them to the grave with you.
What you are not suppose to do is purchase "with the intent to resell"
I have sold several CMP rifles over the years as I have needed money to fund another project or I lost interest in a certain firearm.
Nothing wrong with it whatsoever. As I get older I will sell of all of them with the exception of a few which I may take to the grave with me :)
 
What you are not suppose to do is purchase "with the intent to resell"

I agree, but a lot of folks do just that. Maybe not you, but they do. Look around. I guess you could say, I bought five of them, did not like any of that batch, sold them, and bought five more.
 
There is nothing that says you must take them to the grave with you.

Actually, I am planning on taking one of my CMP Garands to the grave with me, along with a bayonet, a bandolier of clipped ammo, and my favorite sidearm.

What's going to make this *really* interesting is that to keep you ghouls from digging me up to get my stuff, I'm planning on having the coffin run through the crematorium.
 
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