The Savage Weather Warrior mystery continues ....

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SAUMHUNTER79, my Weather Warrior was bought NIB in June of last year. It has the AccuTrigger and AccuStock and has round front and round rear. Notice where the bolt release is located. This is a NEW Weather Warrior model. I just pulled the barrel and action out of the stock and had the ex-wife hold a straight edge on the top and bottom of the receiver. Uncle Mike told me that I had a bent receiver. Does this look bent to anyone? The bottom of the receiver is flat, but clearly the top isn't. If the receiver was bent, the bottom would be off too.

Top of receiver
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Bottom of receiver
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Tooling gone wrong 1858. Call Scott and he will help you either get it replaced or will guide you to a proper mounting for the base.

Coal, why are you so hell bent against Savage? This is an anomaly that can and does happen to ANY manufacturer of multiple metal products. I believe Savage's track record speaks for itself in the past 10 years. It's not like you can change the cutting edges after every product ran. It wouldn't be cost effective. I personally think they do a pretty sporty job of quality control and in the rare instances that they do goof, they do tend to make things right.
 
I understand that 1858, but that doesn't mean you didn't buy old stock new in the box, now does it? I'm on your side, I'd be pissed too, matter of fact I think I might get my nephew a Howa, but we'll see how this pans out first though.
 
Freedom Fighter,

We'll see what Savage does in this instance. However as cutting tools wear they don't take off more material, they take off less. So if this were a case of worn out cutting surfaces on a lathe the front ring of the receiver would be slightly over sized, not under sized, and then only by a few thousands at most. In this case we're dealing with a goofy design, mis-programed equipment, or just plain old shoddy workmanship.

I do have confidence that Savage will do something to make it right though.
 
It's not the design as the new ones are to be even. Could also be that the lathe runs the piece from front to rear and a tool chipped or any number of things. Glitch in the program on the CNC or whatever. Speculation as to what happened really helps nothing in this case. The best thing he can do is to get with Scott and let him help him get Savage to correct the problem by replacing his receiver. I personally have never had an issue that Savage was not more than capable of correcting in both a quick and helpful manner. But some of you need to remember what time of year it is and realize that rifle companies are running a little behind because of it. This economy has put a crimp on pretty much all American based companies and they are all trying to recover. It is a struggle for us all and we as gun owners should all try to stick together to help them out. If that means taking a little longer then so be it. Not the end of the world. Those saying they will switch up to non American made rifles simply from ONE minor mistake should re-think that. I personally feel that our dollars are needed more here in our own country than in the Japanese economy.
 
I wonder what the process will be for replacing the receiver since it is the serial numbered part of the rifle. Maybe just a completely new rifle.

I see a 4473 form in the OP's future.
 
I've cut quite a bit of metal, and I can't fathom HOW exactly they did that. Do you have a micrometer or calipers? What are the measurements of the outer diameter, top to bottom, and side to side, comparing the front of the receiver to the back.
 
You might also think a two-piece base would have bottomed out the front base screws. Does anyone know if there is a Savage model made that owns a receiver with staggered front and rear? Perhaps a batch was assembled into Weather Warriors instead of ???

It's still hard to get around the idea of multiple rifles in multiple locations having the same "mistake" if as Savage claims they have not been redesigned. Then again, I'm not a CNC programmer and my last bit of metalworking was decades ago in shop class.
 
Uncle Mike told me that I had a bent receiver. Does this look bent to anyone? The bottom of the receiver is flat, but clearly the top isn't. If the receiver was bent, the bottom would be off too.
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I said it 'looked' like it might be a bent receiver, from what you had described, and the pictures provided. We have observed this in the shop, it does happen...so the suggestion to do exactly what you did, 'straight edge' the 'bottom' of your receiver.

Clearly your receiver is not 'bent', but something is amiss! You say that is an Accutrigger AND Accustock model? Maybe a older receiver used for the 'Accu' application?

Anyway, Savage is known for 'changing' course mid trip, and not mentioning it to the general public. I have not heard anything of a change by them, and am curious to whether this is a widespread or isolated incident.

I have not been able to check any of our stock, as I have been out of town, and am leaving again end of the week, but I will certainly check some of my Accu. models for this phenomenon. I'll say I don't have any affected units as all but one have scopes mounted with no problems.

Maybe your unit rode in the grinder fixture too long or something as such, that's about the only way it would be smaller on just one side of the receiver.

Whatever the excuse, Savage should make it right, but don't be surprised if you only get scope base information from them!

No Sir, your receiver does not look 'bent' in your latest pictures!
 
I understand what your saying Freedom Fighter, but if Savage doesn't make good on this, why the hell would I want to do buisness with them? Remington has been putting faulty triggers in their rifles for years, knowing full well of the problem, and fixing it would've cost them pennies per rifle to fix, yet they chose to install unsafe triggers in their rifles anyway, granted, it's an easy fix, but I shouldn't have to fix a brand new rifle after I get it, people have died and have been injured because of this trigger design. If that's the way American firearm manufacturers wanna do buisness, you tell me, why should they get my money? Do you work for Savage or something? If I want to buy a Japanese rifle with a good reputation, that's also my right as an American, I understand why you brought this up, and no, I don't shop at Wal-Mart or any chain store, I do all my buisness with private owned stores, other than local grocery stores, but even those stores are a heck of a lot smaller than Wal-Mart. So, as you can see, I shop American every chance I get, but, as far as firearms go, if the american manufacturers don't take care of me, they can kiss my grits. If Savage makes good on this man's rifle I will most likely get a Savage, if they don't, then I get a Howa, because I don't want this same thing happening to me. Also, when I got a hold of Savage tech support, the women I spoke to knew less about firearms than I do, every time I asked a question, she had to put me on hold, and repeat what someone else told her, this happened about six times in the conversation, don't you think someone who works in tech support should know and use the products they're offering tech support for?
 
Well Sam, I can't speak for all US rifle makers but there are still some out there that will make a product right. I bought a Cooper Model 52 that had an issue with the inside of the barrel being bead blasted at the factory, needless to say I was furious. When I called the company I spoke with a very helpful lady who didn't try to repeat what she was told, and instead put me on the phone with one of the gunsmiths who told me how to ship the rifle back to them. They didn't make any excuses, or try to void my warranty or any other horse crap.

About a month later I had a new barrel, with a new test target and even though I bitched the whole time I have to admit they made it right. The damn thing shoots, any rifle that can put 5 rounds of real honest hunting ammo (140gr Nosler Accubonds at 3150fps) into a group that measures less than 3/4" is a keeper in my book. Fact is I'm probably not a good enough bench rest shooter to get the full potential out of this rifle, it could probably cut that down to 1/2" with a better bench rest shooter. Oh, and the receiver and scope mounts are properly dimensioned.

The downside to this is you'll pay for that quality of product, and service. In fact you could buy three Savage's for what I have in the rifle alone. Is it three times as good as every Savage? Probably not, but it is probably better than many of them. So I paid more money for a known quantity, higher attention to detail, and an accuracy guarantee that they have met in my estimation.
 
Little off topic here Saum, But #1- The Remington trigger has YET to be PROVEN by anyone. No one has EVER demonstrated that the trigger has a problem. All accidents that have resulted in death or injury have been from UNSAFE FIREARM HANDLING! Not a single reputable individual has ever been able to repeat the trigger failing to function as intended in ANY test. This is a media crap storm that was generated by the anti's and people are falling for it.

No I do not work for Savage, I am an American citizen and feel that the people in this country should SUPPORT our country and start spending our dollars HERE rather than every other country out there.

I do not see Savage not doing 1858 right. I am sure they will make it right by him as they have every other customer so far.
 
I don't know about that Remington 700 trigger Freedom, I've seen one owned by a family friend that was never adjusted that went off when the safety was take off. The trigger pull was still in the neighborhood of #5lbs and the rifle was made in the 1970's (incidentally it has beautiful metal work and bluing).

While safe handling is still the ultimate safety and one should never rely completely on a mechanical safety, that doesn't mean that a mechanical safety should not be completely 100% functional.
 
SAUMHUNTER79 wrote:

Ok, just got off the phone w/Savage tech support, and they said the older Weather Warriors did have a reciever that was lower in the front than the rear, the current Weather Warriors have a level reciever.
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I am not sure if they told you wrong...or it was relayed to us here incorrectly, but an older WW has a level/parallel receiver.


Sounds like you have an older Weather Warrior, they also told me the rear of the reciever is round, while the front is flat on the older series
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Again, this is incorrect (reversed). The rear of the receiver is flat and the front is round.

I will post pics of my 15 yr old Savage WW in awhile to help illustrate.

Sounds to me like Savage made a change (Bolt and Receiver rounded, and barrel nut and lug blended). The blending of the barrel nut most likely caused the discrepancy and Savage probably didn't tell anyone (or few) about it.

They are famous for making changes and not communicating that to folks.

Another possibility is an error in the CNC program, but certainly NOT worn tooling. The tolerance is too great for that and goes in the wrong direction anyway. But... this assumes the intent of Savage was to have the two surfaces parallel.
 
Flintknapper, thanks for the excellent photos and for showing that the front of the receiver of the OLD Weather Warrior is NOT blended into the barrel nut like the new receiver. I'm hesitant to send the rifle back to Savage and to pay $50 or more shipping at my expense. I told the CS person (Andrew) that the rifle was chambered for 7mm-08 and he asked me if it was long action or short action! :banghead: I wish I could talk to a gunsmith myself since I'm not convinced that this Andrew guy (who called me "dude" by the way) really spoke to an engineer or gunsmith. I still haven't heard back from TPS so I'm going to contact them tomorrow to see if they were able to talk to the engineering department.

I have to say, this whole thing has me second guessing myself and starting to wonder if I'd screwed something up. Luckily I have photos of the rifle before I swapped the barrel (post #22) so I KNOW the receiver came to me in its current state.

These are my options:

  • Buy a new smooth barrel nut, reinstall the factory barrel and send the rifle back to Savage at my cost
  • Revert to using the Talley rings that I'd lapped the insides out of
  • Take a file to the back of the receiver and round it to match the front of the receiver then finish with fine emery paper
  • Grind the rear of the TPS mount so that it fits the receiver
  • Use a stainless steel spacer under the front of the TPS one-piece base

Uncle Mike, thanks for the suggestion to put a straight edge on the bottom of the receiver. If you do get a chance, I would REALLY appreciate it if you could check some of the SA Weather Warriors if you have any in stock.
 
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I'm not sure if this will do anything other than add some more confusion... But this post had me curious since I have an unfired Savage 116 WW in 30-06 sitting in my safe that I purchased a month ago. This is the Accu-trigger, accu-stock version, smooth barrel nut that blends perfectly to the front of the receiver.

It appears both of my receiver rings are on the same plane. They matched up perfectly using a straight edge. Possibly just an issue with the short actions?
 
Nautilus said:
I have an unfired Savage 116 WW in 30-06 sitting in my safe that I purchased a month ago. This is the Accu-trigger, accu-stock version, smooth barrel nut that blends perfectly to the front of the receiver.

It appears both of my receiver rings are on the same plane. They matched up perfectly using a straight edge. Possibly just an issue with the short actions?
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Nautilus, I've noticed that too from looking at LA models on Savage's website (see photo below). I almost bought the .30-06 model too but figured I'd get the 7mm-08 first for sheep, goats etc.

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1858,
Shipping UPS should run $20 or less insured, but Savage should email, or send you a packing label. Your pictures should be enough to convince them its their issue, not yours.....Good luck!
 
JDGray said:
Shipping UPS should run $20 or less insured, but Savage should email, or send you a packing label. Your pictures should be enough to convince them its their issue, not yours.....Good luck!
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Thanks. Savage told me that I had to pay shipping myself which is irksome to say the least. Maybe I could just send the action back. I did some inletting on the AccuStock for the new barrel and would need to buy a replacement smooth nut. I sure as hell ain't sending the rifle back with the new barrel on it.

I really don't have anything to add to this discussion now. I'll update this thread if TPS has anything to say. I did call the Savage expert provided by Freedom_fighter_in_IL but didn't get a call back yet.

One last thing to add ... the numbers off the bottom of the action:

01D091
F4
 
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