Savage Weather Warrior 16FCSS short action not so short!

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I picked up a new Savage Weather Warrior 16FCSS yesterday that I'd ordered on line ... my first Savage. It's a 7mm-08 short action but I was surprised at the length of the receiver opening. It's 3.030" compared to my Remington 700 short action rifles at 2.383". The magazine is long as well which means that I'll easily be able to seat bullets 0.020" off the lands without any modification to the magazine (unlike my .300 WSM).

The rifle has the new AccuStock (very rigid) and the old AccuTrigger (feels good). After handling last year's Weather Warrior which didn't impress me at all, I'm very impressed with this model with one exception ... the plastic bolt release in front of the trigger guard. I'll be replacing that as soon as a stainless or aluminum version becomes available. I almost forgot ... the P.A.D. (Personal AntiRecoil Device) on the Savage is horrible and will definitely have to go. It's like a block of black processed cheese stuck to the butt ... not good.

Anyway, here are some photos ... a 700 short action is shown for comparison. Note the obvious difference in receiver opening dimensions.

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9mmepiphany said:
Savage doesn't make a "real" short action
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This is my first Savage so this is all new to me. I wonder if the longer "short action" has helped Savage's reputation for accuracy since bullets can be seated closer to the lands which in my experience is a good thing. Remington 700s always seem to have long throats and/or short magazines. I had to modify the Alaskan Ti in order to seat 168gr and 190gr bullets 0.020" off the lands ... I added a longer internal box and shaped a long action follower to fit.


P.B.Walsh said:
I have a question about the '700, is that the Alaskan Ti, with a B&C stock?
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Yep!

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P.B. Walsh said:
That's a beautiful '700.
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Thanks ... and I agree!! I don't want to offend any Savage folks here, but if I get to choose which one gets dropped while hunting, it'd be the Savage.

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1858 speaks the truth, too bad that Savage cost WAY less than the Alaskan remmy.

BUT the Alaskan remmy is WAY prettier than the Savage, and IMHO, the Alaskan remmy might one of the most ultimate hunting rifles, even with it's skinny @$$ barrel. :)
 
P.B. Walsh said:
the Alaskan remmy might one of the most ultimate hunting rifles, even with it's skinny @$$ barrel.
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Alaskan Ti OD at the muzzle = 0.658" (24" barrel, .308" bore)

Savage OD at the muzzle = 0.583" (22" barrel, .284" bore)

Talking of the Alaskan muzzle ... here it is ....

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I've noticed the same thing. A long action Savage is crazy long, making it difficult to mount a scope on. The short action Savages have openings virtually the same length as a long action rifle by most other manufacturers. I have often wondered if it would be possible to make a 30-06 length cartridge work in a short action Savage.
 
Overall ignoring the ejection port size the action length are quite similar. Remember not to include the bbl nut in comparisons.

As for SA vs LA savages they are very different indeed.

Myself I never understood all the hooplah over making actions as short as possible. If it really mattered that much we'd all be using break action single shots with their 0" length action
 
krochus, I feel that thanks are in order since it was your Savage related posts that got me thinking about buying a Savage. When I picked this one up, I went over to a friend's house (an experienced hunter and Remington owner) and we spent an hour or so going over every aspect of the rifle. He now wants to order the same rifle in .25-06 and I plan on ordering another in .30-06 this year. I hope Savage sends you a Christmas card at the very least ... that's three rifles that you've sold for them.

Good point about the length of the receiver ... the Savage is 6" long whereas the Remington is 5-1/2" long. My point about the difference in length was merely an observation ... and in fact, I prefer the longer Savage "short" action since it allows for longer O.A.L. dimensions and better scope rings/bases placement on the receiver.

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That's funny, thousands of people (myself included) have successfully mounted scopes on Savage long actions.
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We mount them every day for people, It has a lot to do with how you hold the rifle, the eye relief of the scope, yada yada yada.

Most scopes for most people go right on, no problemo... I have a Kartsen cheek piece on this one and am fussing with a Kahles 4-12X52.

.100" off the barrel... the front of the scope tapers very gradually so I had to mill off the front of the picatinny mount, which by the way I HATE on a hunting rifle, but this is the only way I can move the scope aft enough to get the proper cheek weld and eye relief... without going full custom, of which I don't have the time right now to do.

It'll be alright, it's a 116 anyway, now if it where a Cooper or such, well... only Talley or full custom mounts would do! hehehe

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Nce Savage 1858, how much did she set you back?
I have a Savage 14 300 WSM, and it shoots in the .10's and .20's at 200 yards.
 
Forget .020" off the lands. With that action you can go .010 into the lands if you want to. Same with the long action.

Someone mentioned scope mounting on the long action. I have found that what you want to do is to get a one piece picatinny base such as those made by Warne, Farrell Industries, etc. Then use some nice rings like Leupold QRW or Warne Maxima rings. With the one piece rail, you totally avoid the problem of action length versus available scope tube. You just put the rings in the desired slot and it works perfect every time and rock solid too. Looks real good.

One thing that pisses me off about big green is that they dont give a damn about the 6mm Rem. They put it in the short action rifle which you mentioned is short to begin with, then you have no shot of seating bullets close to the lands. I guess that leads me to the question of whether the savage action would be long enough to fix the problem...
 
haldir said:
Nce Savage 1858, how much did she set you back?
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Thanks! IIRC it was $675 delivered from an online dealer ... and I still haven't shot it yet!! :eek: I've been so busy with other firearms related projects that I simply haven't got around to working up loads for it.

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ive got the 110 accu trigge in 7rem mag and its been a great gun. the only thing i didnt like was the little soda straw barrel. i ordered a bull from ershaw.com it a 26 incher and .805 at the muzzle and it only cost me 170 compared to the 240 for the remmington and its already full lenght chambered and ready to screw in. i also shoot barnes 120 and 140 gr bullets that just tounch the lands and they still fit in my mag well
 
I am assuming it has a 1-10 twist rate. How heavy of a bullet can the rifle shoot? It would be awesome if you can get it to shoot the 162 gr A-Max with a BC of .625!!:D
 
I think Savage actually makes their not so short/short actions this way for a reason. measure the lenght of your remmy and the savage, between the beginning of the back of the receiver housing, before that back ring, up to the front of the receiver, just before it's bbl ring. It is still pretty close, but again, I think Savage does this for a reason. Mostly for new, inexperienced, beginners. To give them a bit of leeway, when it comes to loading/ unloading from the top, brass ejection when you have a scope mounted, general ease of use.
And I think it is a good idea. that savage is darn nice looking though, what again do you not like about the recoil pad, does it not worky well?
It looks pretty juicy and comfy to me...
 
I had no idea a 1/10 twist could do 200 grainers...

to 1858; need a little more detail on that recoil pad... is it just ugly, or does it not do it's job?
 
What's the inside length of the magazine though? It was my understanding that it's in the 2.8" range but that figure is a couple of years old. Savage is known for constantly making improvements so it would be nice to hear that they gave the mag a little bit of length.
 
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