Tisas 1911. Anyone run one hard? How do they fare?

[Jim Watson]

1. I have run out of search terms.

2. I have seen a picture of a Springfield Armory slide broken in half, and my gunsmith has a split Kimber barrel on his shelf of failed parts.

 

[jar]

Believe what you want. Go on over to the 1911 forum and look for yourself. One split barrel and a slide broke in half. Both with pics in the same post. No I won't go look and provide a link. Just passed on what I saw over there. Later...

Yawn.

Yes, there is one person over there who is on a mission to knock Tisas, but then there are a whole herd factual real owners who can provide a different perspective.

 

[kje54]

Believe what you want. Go on over to the 1911 forum and look for yourself. One split barrel and a slide broke in half. Both with pics in the same post. No I won't go look and provide a link. Just passed on what I saw over there. Later...

Oh my, one or two damaged firearms......... Not like that ever happens at all with any other firearm........ Ever........ Of course without hard proof of cause there's the either or, either those specific guns were defective or it was user error, you choose.
Besides, you're the one who made the claim, you're the one who needs to back it up with hard proof. And condemning an entire brand because of a couple of possibly real failures is kinda narrow minded, don'tcha think?

 

[JDeere]

Oh my, one or two damaged firearms......... Not like that ever happens at all with any other firearm........ Ever........ Of course without hard proof of cause there's the either or, either those specific guns were defective or it was user error, you choose.
Besides, you're the one who made the claim, you're the one who needs to back it up with hard proof. And condemning an entire brand because of a couple of possibly real failures is kinda narrow minded, don'tcha think?

Just where did I say I condemn Tisas? If I needed another 1911 in the stable I might try one. I've got enough 1911s to keep me busy for a long while. Man the Tisas crowd is a little touchy when some one post info. Reminds of the Glock crowd. As I said it was there this morning. If you can't find it maybe the Tisas God deleted it so don't call me a liar.

 

[kje54]

Just where did I say I condemn Tisas? If I needed another 1911 in the stable I might try one. I've got enough 1911s to keep me busy for a long while. Man the Tisas crowd is a little touchy when some one post info. Reminds of the Glock crowd. As I said it was there this morning. If you can't find it maybe the Tisas God deleted it so don't call me a liar.

Not even a good deflection but nice try anyway. Where did I say I was part of the Tisas crowd? Yes I own one, among many other brands but I haven't even had a chance to shoot it yet in almost 6 months. You made a claim then refused to fully back it up and now I'm the Tisas fan boi? Really?

 

[JDeere]

You made a claim then refused to fully back it up and now I'm the Tisas fan boi? Really?

Really deflection, facts is facts and I'm not doing your homework. Did you see in my post anything about "fan bois"? Buy what you like and like what you buy...done here

 

[kje54]

Really deflection, facts is facts and I'm not doing your homework. Did you see in my post anything about "fan bois"? Buy what you like and like what you buy...done here

Whatever......... Have a great day.

 

[Slamfire]

I can say, based on being at enough Bullseye Pistol matches, that squibs happen. Weak primers may have been the problem, or a lack of powder, either way it is not the pistol's fault if a barrel splits or gets bulged when the next bullet hits the one in the barrel.

And, there are people firing old damn ammunition and they don't know at some level of gunpowder deterioration combustion pressures rise. The one common thread throughout these blowup posts, is old damn ammunition.

For those that think old ammo is still ok....
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/powder-keg/38539-those-think-old-ammo-still-ok-print.html

A buddy of mine took his Sig p220 .45 down the range with us the other weekend. He had some old winchester hollowpoints that looked like they had been buried for 30 years. With myself still being new to guns and shooting, i didnt think anything about it.

Well he took one shot and it blow up in his hand. Now he has shot numerous rounds through this gun without a problem, of course they were new. Anyway, noone was hurt but the sig. This is hte way the gun is stuck in. It will not budge. Id say its a nice new paperweight

Remington 700 Overpressure with 20 year old factory ammunition
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527519

I'm sighting in my Remington 700 BDL .270 / Nikon 3X9 BDC today, and I decided to rotate old stock ammo. In this case, brand new (20 years ago), 130 grain ammo by a well known US ammunition Company. I bought several boxes of this brand, same lot, back in the early 90's after I discovered how wonderful they worked on woodchucks.

So I'm firing my 2nd round... WHAM! My mild .270 rifle bellows and whacks me in the glasses, odd I thought, as my .270's never kick like that.

The bolt won't open. I mean it is JAMMED. So after 5 min of banging on the bolt with my hand (HARD),it opens Ok, now the bolt draws back hard and the brass feels like its WELDED to the bolt face. I had to use a leatherman tool to pry it out. Rim was damaged, blackened, primer floating around, etc. Bolt appeared ok (Thank the Good Lord for Remington's 3 rings of steel protecting me!), and after switching ammo and using newer stock, the rifle functioned and sighted in 100% perfect. Scared the hell out of me though! This was factory ammo too, not reloads.

Ok, so I called Remington (ammo was early 90's vintage 130 grain Rem bronze point). They only back their ammo for 10 years (expected shelf life according to Remington). Note* I kept this ammo in a cool, dry place, sealed in a US Military ammo can for the past 2 decades. I have ammo from the 50's and 60's that still shoots fine. I guess with gunpowder, it's like rolling dice.

So, I'm glad the rifle is a Remington, as it was strong enough to take the hit without any damage, otherwise it would be my dime (and hide). I had our armorer (LEO), check it out as well. The bolt face appears ok, and I pulled the firing pin, ok as well. Damn strong rifle.

That brass was warped near the rim, I hate to guess what the PSI was, I'm betting well over 80,000 PSI, given how stiff that bolt was to open.

If I can get a photo posted, I will. Now I have several boxes of old .270 ammo to dispose of, as I'm not going to shoot it through my cherished 700 BDL anymore. At least the brass is still good and my right hand is still attached to my arm!
Time to go out and stock up on .270's!!!

Picher; Yes, bore was / is like a mirror. The rifle is a MINT early 80's BDL 700. No rust or pitting. She is one sexy rifle, it was love at first sight...

The high gloss wood and rich, deep blue steel.... MMmmmmm!!!!

It was close to 90 on Sunday in Maine, and humid. The ammo has been stored correctly, but, after all, it HAS been 20 years or so. I know my knees are not the same as they were 2 decades ago, so I guess I can't expect the ammo to fair any better. It just caught me off guard, as I stock up on (and shoot), old ammo, and NEVER had any issue. I guess I need to rotate my supply more often...

HK Blown up with Brazilian Surplus
http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/showthread.php/90285-Gun-Blown-up

Hello gang i was just wondering if any of you guys have ever blown up a gun while shooting. I had the unfortunate luck of blowing up an HK-91 back around 1989. Me and a buddy of mine were buying cases of mil surplus from a company in ohio at the time in 1000 rd. cases. We had gotten a few cases from said company and never had any issues. Well the last case we got from them was from brazil cbc i believe it was. He called me and said he was having jamming issues with this ammo in his sar-48 bush gun. I told him well i'll go out with you and run some through my 91 it'll eat anything. Well the third round out of the 91 "BOOM" pretty scary it was.

I think you can have or get a bad round or lot of ammo with any manufacturer. That being said the ammo that blew my 91 up was military surplus from brazil. Thats the problem with mil surplus its put onto the market because its deemed not worthy of use for the military of said country.

So you get some good some bad you take your chances. But when your setting off small explosions with each trigger pull in your weapon anything can happen at any time with any manufacturers product.

Just be sure to wear eye and ear protection and good gloves are'nt a bad idea either. "**** HAPPENS" you know, don't you just love that saying.

Be safe and have a great weekend.

http://www.usrifleteams.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21886

Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:29 PM

'Tailgunner', on 17 Jul 2012 - 13:16, said:

I picked up some surplus ammo a couple of years ago and had a couple of hang fires. The hammer would drop and a second later the rifle would discharge.

After that happened a couple of times, I decided I wasn't going to shoot that stuff any more. So I took the ammo apart, thinking I'd at least salvage the brass. After I'd pulled all of the bullets and dumped the powder, I tried chucking the primed cases in a vice and then hit the primers with a pin punch and a hammer. I found that some of the primers would "pop" but others would just sizzle and smoke. I'm pretty sure those were my hang fires. It was an interesting experiment.

The last surplus ammo I had looked so bad that I never fired any of it. Like you, I took it apart. The powder was clumped together. The base of the bullet was green with corrosion. I decapped all the brass, burned the primers and powder outside when burning rubbish, and sold the brass and bullets to a scrap company. Recouped a very small amount of initial price. That was the last time I got fooled on surplus ammo crap.

My guess is that most of the foreign countries that are selling surplus goods to the USA, don't care much about how they handle or store the items, as long as it gets on the shipping container and they pocket the purchase price, they are happy. Caveat emptor is Latin for "Let the buyer beware." It especially applies to surplus goods that have a shelf life. Where was it stored? How was it stored? What temperature? Subjected to water or salt air? Exposed to a structure fire? How was it transported? Etc. etc...too many unanswered questions. A deal that is too good to be true, usually is too good to be true.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7756780&postcount=6

Although it's remotely possible that a defective load (very unlikely if factory ammo) or poorly stored ammo that had deterioated. I had some H450 go bad and an "accuracy" load from a .30/06 w/180gr bullet locked up the bolt and removed case looked like a belted magnum...... but gun was unharmed.... primer was blown however and pitted the bolt face...... I pulled down the rest of the ammo and powder "stunk" like vinegar and inside of cases were turning green from acid corrosion..... Ammo had only been loaded 6mos earlier... and powder looked and smelled "ok" then.

Garand Blowup with WWII ball
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=7870113&postcount=13

I have an old shooting buddy who some years ago was shooting some WWII ball (don’t know whose) but his M-1 was disassembled in a rather rapid fashion. He was lucky only his pride was hurt. He said he took a round apart and found rust looking dust along with the powder. Bad powder. Just sayin…..The op rod can be rebuilt which might be a good way to go. Op Rods are getting harder to find and when you find one a premium price is required so it seems. Garands require grease. I’m not sure if you are aware of this. If you are, please no offence taken.

Catastrophic Failure

http://www.jouster.com/forums/showthread.php?43897-Catastrophic-Failure

Had a bad experience a week ago. Went to the range to test fire some handloads through a Springfield M1 and ultimately it blew up.

Details: Rifle - M1 Garand, Springfield manufacture receiver (1942) rebarreled in1947.
Ammo: 3-rounds. Reloaded - full-length sized once fired Federal brass, 163 grain mechanically pulled surplus bullet, Winchester Large Rifle primers, 46.5 grains of IMR4895 powder. Powder was dispensed/weighed using RCBS Chargemaster system calibrated immediately before use. Brass was checked for OA length and was within specs. prior to loading. Bullets were seated to crimping groove but not crimped.

Third round fired and rifle disintegrated through magazine well area.

Later analysis of rifle indicates bolt face fracture and case head failure. Lower front of bolt face sheared off around ejector hole causing passageway for hot gases and fragments to enter magazine well area and blow out stock and triggerguard floorplate. Receiver held and bolt frozen in place. Bolt has been removed and shows fracturing of both locking lugs as well as longitudinal fracture back from ejector hole. Extractor has backed out. Last round/fractured brass still stuck in chamber.

Post 151

Original loads were:

1) Primer seating depth was checked by visual and finger feel.
2) The original powder was old - still in metal can and starting to show brown dust (on retrospect).
3) Pulled bullets were GI AP.

Chilean 75 kaboom on IMBEL
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=142685

Jeter's right,.....****ty brass. '75 Chilean is notorious for blowing up rifles. This one was freshly built, in spec and headspaced(fortunately not mine). It took approximately 60 rounds to find the 'bad' one. Shooter was relatively unharmed; just a few nicks and cuts. Probably has a world class flinch now. Barrel and bolt looked OK, carrier was not recovered(as in 'no one could find it'). I would not want to be in the way of a carrier that was departing the area at such a speed as to become lost.

*Note* Do not fire Chilean '75.

I wasn't present at the festivities, so I don't have pics of the barrel, etc. I was told by my gunsmith that the barrel was used in the rebuild on another new receiver, as was the bolt, so those parts were undamaged. The extractor was gone of course.

The Chilean '75 has brittle brass that tends to let go, dumping full pressure into the action. I've seen several FALs, HK91's and MG42's destroyed by this ammunition. The picture below(bad as it is)is of a different case,......not the case that destroyed the Imbel pictured above. It did destroy an FAL and I was present at this event. Pretty much the same but without the destruction of the receiver ring; receiver was bulged open at the magwell and the magazine bulged and blown out. Bolt and carrier remained in the rifle, but the topcover was blown off along with the extractor. Again, barrel

So, without knowing what the details of a reported Tisas blowup, I am going to claim that assigning fault to the pistol is un reasonable. I have talked to several people who worked at firearms manufacturers, and the most common reason guns blow up, is reloads. One person told me of the number of blown to hell firearms sent in for "warranty" work, where the owner claimed the firearm had blown up with factory rounds. That person would not tell me how the factory investigators determined reloads, but apparently, they have their ways!

After reloads I am going to say the next high risk of blowups is old ammunition with deteriorated gunpowder, where the burn rate goes from deflagration to detonation. And the shooting community not only does not know this, it does not want to know this. Deniers abound with their pseudo science tests and theories.

Blowups do happen with bad metallurgy, but I believe that with new firearms, this is very rare. Not like the old, vintage firearms from around WW1, where the steels were crap, and the process controls were primitive.

 

[Lennyjoe]

Oh boy, this thread went downhill fast…

 

[Jeremy2171]

Oh boy, this thread went downhill fast…

Especially with the wall of pre prepared wall of cut n paste "stories" and anecdotes of blown up guns.

 

[jar]

Ran another 50 rounds through the Tisas Duty yesterday. Still zero failure to feed, zero failure to go into battery, zero failure to fire and zero failure to eject.

And my slide didn't split in half when I field stripped it to clean and I looked really carefully and my barrel hasn't blown up yet.

But I did tell the other three Tisas 1911s that I would be very annoyed with them if their slides split in half when I tried to clean them or if their barrels blew up without me first doing something really, really stupid.

They all said they would be good so I put the pictures of birdies and trees and flowers and clouds that they painted on the refrigerator and they each got a gold star.

 

[d31tc]

Going down another rabbit hole. I read these forums and come across information like this - inexpensive guns that are too good to pass up. A 1911 in 9mm to shoot a lot, vs the 1911's I have in .45 that I shoot on occasion - hmmm.

Then budgets being budgets, I wring my hands on what I should get.

I don't see these going down in price until people start selling them used, but I've been wrong - really wrong - before...

 

[W.E.G.]

I'm in the process of replacing the sights on mine.

I want to use it to fool around on the bullseye pistol range.

Everybody tells me I "hold the gun wrong."
Which is probably true, because my groups shooting any pistol tend to be low left.

Replacement of the rear sight solved the "left" part of my issue.

But I still gotta replace the front sight with a taller sight, because the TISAS factory front sight does not play well with the Kensight adjustable sight I installed.

Got a taller front sight, and a staking tool inbound now.


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Should resemble something like this when I'm done.

 

[Jim Watson]

I recently read of a guy who got excellent accuracy from a RIA with only adjustable sights, fitted bushing, larger diameter slide stop, and trigger adjustment. I don't see why your Tisas would not do as well.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I sleep with my T-sauce under my pillow! love that gun!!!

 

[JDeere]

Oh my, one or two damaged firearms......... Not like that ever happens at all with any other firearm........ Ever........ Of course without hard proof of cause there's the either or, either those specific guns were defective or it was user error, you choose.
Besides, you're the one who made the claim, you're the one who needs to back it up with hard proof. And condemning an entire brand because of a couple of possibly real failures is kinda narrow minded, don'tcha think?

https://www.1911forum.com/threads/girsan-mc1911.1051866/#post-13699677
See this thread, there is conversation of post I was referring to. Jar was in on this post as well. Another person saw it and it was deleted or just vanished...carry on...

 

[kje54]

https://www.1911forum.com/threads/girsan-mc1911.1051866/#post-13699677
See this thread, there is conversation of post I was referring to. Jar was in on this post as well. Another person saw it and it was deleted or just vanished...carry on...

Look, you're still missing my main point. Yes there was a conversation and someone allegedly posted a picture(s) of a blown up Tisas though I never saw it. Yes you finally provided a link unfortunately the evidence has "disappeared" for some unknown reason. My main point is you came into this thread and posted about one or two alleged pictures of blown up Tisases and then latter claimed you were doing it as an FYI........ Why would you do that without a complete explanation as to your motives from the git-go? Heck If I came into a thread making such a claim without posting definitive proof of cause I'd expect to get jumped just like happened to you. Think about it, making such a simple claim as you did smacks of a Tisas anti bias right from the start. Yes you stated much later that no such bias exists on your part but by then based on your other posts that claim was suspect.
A: Supposed major failure of a Tisas
B: No definitive proof
C: Even if there was proof there is no causative evidence, (metallurgy fail vs ammo problem).

If I was a little harsh with you before I apologize, that's on me.

 

[jar]

https://www.1911forum.com/threads/girsan-mc1911.1051866/#post-13699677
See this thread, there is conversation of post I was referring to. Jar was in on this post as well. Another person saw it and it was deleted or just vanished...carry on...

And did you read my posts in that thread? And it's just "jar", not significant enough for a capital "J".

 

[Mark_Mark]

Look, you're still missing my main point. Yes there was a conversation and someone allegedly posted a picture(s) of a blown up Tisas though I never saw it. Yes you finally provided a link unfortunately the evidence has "disappeared" for some unknown reason. My main point is you came into this thread and posted about one or two alleged pictures of blown up Tisases and then latter claimed you were doing it as an FYI........ Why would you do that without a complete explanation as to your motives from the git-go? Heck If I came into a thread making such a claim without posting definitive proof of cause I'd expect to get jumped just like happened to you. Think about it, making such a simple claim as you did smacks of a Tisas anti bias right from the start. Yes you stated much later that no such bias exists on your part but by then based on your other posts that claim was suspect.
A: Supposed major failure of a Tisas
B: No definitive proof
C: Even if there was proof there is no causative evidence, (metallurgy fail vs ammo problem).

If I was a little harsh with you before I apologize, that's on me.

it’s $300! if it fails and blows up. Just sue T-Sauce and buy 15 Les Baer’s

WIN WIN!!

 

[kje54]

it’s $300! if it fails and blows up. Just sue T-Sauce and buy 15 Les Baer’s

WIN WIN!!

 

[hk940]

I can remember my father saying him and his friend would walk 10 blocks to save the ten cents of the bus fare, so they could have a cup of coffee and a piece of pie after the movie!

 

[Zahn]

Somebody, somewhere, hates every brand of 1911 I have for one reason or another. Fortunately, I don't care what anyone thinks about the brands or calibers I own and shoot. My Tisas is very well made and has run flawlessly so far. I've only got 300 rounds through it though.

1911 magazines? That is another story. Some are great, some are terrible and some work better in one 1911 than another. I'm becoming an absolute snob about the brand of magazine I use.

 

[Tiribulus]

there is conversation of post I was referring to

The one I saw with a split barrel in a Tisas 1911 was like 10 years old and the circumstances were not super clear. I saw it before I knew of the existence of this thread.

 

[d31tc]

Going down another rabbit hole. I read these forums and come across information like this - inexpensive guns that are too good to pass up. A 1911 in 9mm to shoot a lot, vs the 1911's I have in .45 that I shoot on occasion - hmmm.

Then budgets being budgets, I wring my hands on what I should get.

I don't see these going down in price until people start selling them used, but I've been wrong - really wrong - before...

Well, I bought one and will let everyone know how it performs. I bought the Duty B9 from Battlehawk Armory for $340 +$20 shipping+$20 FFL. $380 Total, not bad for the features.

I don't know if these current prices reflect the extra drop in the value of the Turkish Lira in July, but until the Lira starts to gain in value to the dollar, expect more, and maybe bettter, deals. Back to starting from scratch squirreling away cash for a S&W 686.