TX - Can a normal restaurant put up a 51% sign just for giggles?

[Art Eatman]

It's common for any licenses to be posted near the cash register.

 

[hmphargh]

Thanks for the help, guys.


Should the license= blue be posted on the front door as well or will I have to ask to see this?

It is required to be posted in a conspicuous place, just ask to see it and they'll point you to the wall that it is hung on. You may want to disarm while doing this.

 

[mec]

Our local convention center posted 51 percent signs because there was a shortage of the larger pc 30-06 signs. Now they don't post anything because the legislature took away the right of public buildings to exclude licensed carry. During gunshows, temporary 30-06 signs appear and may be legal because the gun show organizers are a private entity and in control of the premises.

a local grocery that primarily catered to non english speaking aliens posted the sign and it remained up even after a new company with the same customer base took over. That cost them a couple of thousand dollars from me alone. Lately, I noticed the signs have disappeared but I have gotten out of the habit of shopping there anyway. After the chl law passed, there was a flurry of sign postings - often because of activism by anti gun groups who convinced the businesses that they would be liable if they didn't post. When significant numbers of customers disappeared, so did the vast majority of the signs. Currently, posted premises are pretty much confined to grant supported private leftist entities or businesses run by doctrinal communists who generally don't survive in business very long anyway.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

thanks, Art and hmpharpg.

 

[iflyabeech]

thanks, Art and hmpharpg.

I saw this sign in People's today and googled "People's Restaurant 51%" and found this thread.. I read the liquor license while I was there and it read "License = Blue" I posted this to Texas 3006.com as well.. Hope that helps...

 

[danez71]

If its not a 51%.....

I wonder if they put the 51% sign up because the dont want people to carry inside and also dont want to be the bad guy.... they can blame the No Guns policy on "The Man".

just a thought

 

[iflyabeech]

I dunno....they just hosted our local tea party.....Inotified TABC that they were displaying an incorrect sign...so we will see what happens

 

[mec]

blame the No Guns policy on "The Man".

Thats exactly what the little man who was president of Fidelity Bank 1901 Laker Shore Drive did rigth after the chl law went into effect. One of the customers complained about it because he regularly deposited large business receipts. The little fellow said that it was mandiitory to post the 30=06 sign because of a edict from the Banking Commission. This was an outright falsehood as this was the only bank in town with such a posting. I don't know what purpose the falsehood served since both parties knew it was untrue but it may just be a case of telling a lie when the truth would serve better.
I dont' know if that bank is still signed or if the little fellow is still manager.

 

[GEM]

The 30.06 sign was a genius move. It trashed all those little gun with red circle signs!

 

[Deltaboy1984]

Yep the 30.06 sign has opened some places to CCW because the owner doesn't want that Big OLE Sign as the State mandates.

 

[mp510]

I am attaching a copy of their record from TABC.

I'm going to presume that if they are posting the sign, the probably do derive the required percentage of sales- especially considering that they have gotten themselves in trouble before for not posting requisite signage.

 

[JellyJar]

I sent them an email asking if they still had the 51% sign. Here is my email and their reply:

From: [email protected]
Subject: 51% sign
Date: May 9, 2010 12:10:33 PM CDT
To: [email protected]

Are you still required to post the 51% sign because of how much alcohol you sell?

Thanks

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From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: 51% sign
Date: May 9, 2010 4:30:35 PM CDT
To: [email protected]

I dont sell much alchohol and I have never been told to post any type of sign concerning 51%.

thanks,
joe

I wonder where the OP got the idea that they had posted a 51% sign?

 

[iflyabeech]

as far as I know, they cannot have both "License = Blue" on the liquor license and a 51% sign.

They do have a 51% sign posted at the front entrance and they do have "License = blue" on the liqour license...I verified both last night.

Here is a picture I took of the 51% sign posted just inside the front door!

 

[iflyabeech]

http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/faq/general.asp

10. I have seen two types of signs posted in retail establishments regarding concealed weapons. What is the difference between the two?

All alcoholic beverage retailers must post one of two firearms signs.

The 51% sign is required to be posted on the premises of establishments where the possession of any concealed weapon is illegal. These are establishments that are licensed to sell alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption whose alcohol sales constitutes more than half of their gross receipts. These signs have 51% in large red letters superimposed over the warning which notes that possession of a concealed weapon on the premises is a felony.

Establishments licensed to sell alcoholic beverages for off-premise consumption or establishments licensed to sell for on-premises consumption whose alcohol sales are 50% or less of total gross receipts are required to post a sign that warns that the unlicensed possession of a concealed weapon is a felony. The holder of a concealed handgun license may lawfully possess a concealed handgun on these premises.

 

[iflyabeech]

UPDATE:


ok.. a TABC officer just called to let me know he received my complaint and was sending an officer by there this afternoon to correct the sign!

I will have to stop by later this week and check to see what was done!

 

[paul]

As much as I think Tejas is a bit bass-ackwards with their no OC law,
I do love the fact that we can call the beer cops and tell them that we can't legally carry our pistols into a business...
and they will rush out to correct that!

p

 

[twitch1706]

I keep reading 30.06 sign, and all I can think of is a vinyl silhouette of an M1 Garand.

 

[zoom6zoom]

I remember when I was young it was illegal to sell underwear on Sundays......

That's because they wanted you to wear your holey underwear to church.

 

[GEM]

Was that a secret in Victoria, Texas?

Haha - thanks for making me laugh!

 

[JellyJar]

Could it be that the owner of the place doesn't know what he is doing?

 

[wishin]

Texas law at least gives the armed citizen (and the BG) an indication of the whether one can legally carry there; the new gun bill waiting to be signed in Georgia requires the gun owner to ask the bar owner if he allows concealed carry! No signage.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

NightStalkerTX gave the A+ answer and good advice.

 

[rattletrap1970]

I have never heard of such a thing. We don't have that in CT.

 

[.378 Wby]

Doesn't matter if the sign is accurate or not. If the OWNER of the restaurant wants to bar concealed carry, the owner has that right. If putting up a sign is his method of making his wishes clear, the owner is under no obligation to provide an accounting to patrons.

If, on the other hand, he's making 51% and claiming that he's not so that CCW is allowed on his premises, then he's required to prove that to the state.

Personally I think "Shall not be infringed" means what it says.