Watch out for FEDEX

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I recently shipped a handgun to another C&R licensee via FEDEX. Filling out the FEDEX form I did not sign off on the part that waives the requirement for a signature. No problem....right? WRONG! Tonight I went and checked the FEDEX website to see if it was delivered. It said that the package was left at the door and that I had signed off that no signature was required! HOLD ON NOW!!! Called FEDEX and the nice lady checked and informed me that I had not signed off on the form, and FEDEX, as of DEC 9 (being the holiday rush) goes ahead and leaves it anyhow. ***???? I told the guy at FEDEX that there was a handgun in the box so he could make whatever notation he had to make, when I shipped it. Showed him my license, the other guys license. No one ever told me that they would just leave it, or I'd have gone to UPS or someone. I hope the buyer got his package OK. So far I haven't heard from him. Just a heads up to all. FEDEX doesn't require a signature even though YOU DO!
 
unfortunately that seems pretty standard. UPS once left a Glock on my friend's front porch where it stayed a good part of the weekend.

k
 
Same thing happens with UPS.

30 below one day and the truck just didn’t want to start. Made it to the gunshop about a half hour after we were supposed to open. Storm door’s jammed open and the snow’s packing in because there’s a package there. Box with five handguns from Davidsons just laying there peaceful as you please.
:rolleyes: Ijits!
 
Unfortunately, it happens (all shippers) even if you do check the box, in which case they could be held accountable. It's happened to me before with very sensitive, valuable materials, but not guns.

Now you know about the check box. It's not a new thing. I sincerely hope the delivery went to the right person.
 
haha, that reminds me of the last time I received a big package from UPS. My girlfriend let me use her Ebay account to buy a bike so everything ended up being in her name. On the day the bike was delivered, she called to find out when the bike would be delivered and if they would leave it if someone wasn't home. The conversation went like this:
gf: do you guys require a signature to leave big packages?
ups: well, we do, but if it's a nice neighborhood, they'll usually just leave it.
-what's a nice neighborhood?
-well, do you live in the ghetto?
-. . . no
-then they'll probably leave it

sure enough, when I got home from school that day, my $450 bike (cheap for a bike, but $450 ain't chump change) was sitting on my front porch.
 
That's the bad part. FEDEX's form says that if you sign the box you are allowing them to deliver without a signature. I didn't sign, so I'm not allowing it. Right? They just do it because it is quicker for them, unreal!
The bright side the man did recieve the pistol. So all is well. I just shudder to think what might have happened if it got into the wrong hands.
 
If you read the FEDEX rules you are supposed to declare to them that you are shipping a hand gun when you deliver the package. Normal pick ups are not allowed.

If you do that then they will get a signature. I have shipped many and never had one left on the porch!
 
If you read the FEDEX rules you are supposed to declare to them that you are shipping a hand gun when you deliver the package. Normal pick ups are not allowed.
If you had read my original post I did tell them it was a handgun at FEDEX/Kinkos.
I DID NOT sign the box that said I did not require a signature but they did it anyhow. That is why I'm PO'd
 
I also believe that the recipient can sign a waiver for packages to be delivered to them without a signature (that is kept on file). The delivery companies follow it sporadically. Sometimes they do it and other times they hold the package anyway.

If this is the case the recipient is responsable for the package if it was left without their signature per their requested. I would think that delivery pf a handgun would over-ride their onfile sig request but who knows.
 
Having formerly worked for one of the BIG THREE overnight delivery companies. The general rule is:

1. If it is being shipped to a Commerical/Business Address, a signature is required.
2. If it is being shipped to a Residental Address (even if it is addressed to a busniess), a signature is NOT required, unless the shipper specifically requests it. (e.g. We'd ring the door bell and drop it on the porch or between the doors.)

So, if you are going to ship a high-value item (I.E. Something that bad people would like to steal), make sure you specify "SIGNATURE REQUIRED". However, if the consignee (the receiver) has filled out a form waiving the Signature Requirement, the freight company can leave it on the porch and they're off the hook if something gets stolen.

Ask me sometime about the guy who ran a computer repair busines out of his house and had 40 boxes (a little over $20,000) "disappear" from his front porch, because he signed the Sig Required waiver form.....
 
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Friend of mine (collector) had a working NFA item left on his front porch. Can't remember the carrier now or even what kind of machine gun it was. That was some time ago.
 
Ammo shpments with stickers all over saying sig required, left by both FedEx and UPS. Rifle deliveries, left by both also. I am just waiting to have to fill out a claim.
 
If you had read my original post I did tell them it was a handgun at FEDEX/Kinkos.
Did you have any problems shipping from FedEX/Kinkos? I just noticed one near my home this morning and figured it'd be easier to ship from there than the one I normally ship from.
 
lesson

Details, and communication are important.... fed ex assigns a tracking number, you let the receiving party know it coming....fed ex notify of the current status....and all flows smooth. Now the USPS...there is a joke !!! Arc-lite
 
You can fill out a form that tells them to just leave everyting. I had a gunsmith do exactly that and my 1911 sat on his steps for 4 days while he was on vacation. I believe you can rescind the waiver though.

Ted
 
Someone on another forum who ships a lot with FedEx, says they sent him a notice, that for the next two weeks they were not going to require signatures! :uhoh: :eek:

Apparantly, that went out to regular shippers, but not to small timers, like me.
 
Last year had a Uberti 1851 Navy from Dixie Gun Works left on my porch by UPS. It stayed there overnight and I found it the next morning when I went out to get the paper.

Jim
 
on the run !!!

just got a knock on the door, fed ex....they DO knock and run...like rabbits !!! Arc-lite
 
Here's some FedEX hints that may help. Also, I'll check into it to confirm, but it sounds like they're releasing packages (to resi's only?) during the Holiday season since they're going to be slammed like usual.

As far as signature waivers, when FedEX attempts a package and the recipient isn't at home, the courier should leave a doortag. On the doortag, there's a place to sign so the next day the courier can use that sig to realease the pkg. On THE BACK (unless things have changed) there's an agreement for ALL (with exceptions of course) future pkgs to be left. Some people sign the back in error because they don't read/understand the doortag. Some people sign the back, wanting it, but then later when there's a problem, they're bitter. On the other hand, sometimes the address in the system has a previous occupant who's signed, and it can be left under that on accident. If you're concerned, ask your courier to check your address and the name listed under it and make sure it's how you want it.

Tip on doortags. Leave them down under your mat with a corner showing. A good way of watching for left pkgs to pilfer is watching for doortags that are signed, then waiting for the delivery truck to leave. Come back later, grab it, on your way.

Here's some shipping tips:
Here's a couple of suggestions also:

- Always, repeat always, fill out another pc. of paper with the shipper and recipient's addresses on them, and place this INSIDE the pkg. With any shipping company, when the pkgs. circumvent the labyrinth of conveyor belts in their stations or hubs, pkgs. have a tendency to lose the sticky airbill pouches. Once this is gone, the pkg gets placed into an overgoods area, where it'll sit for awhile until someone does research on it. If the pkg. is opened the paper will be found and a new airbill is generated.

- In addition to filing out an airbill, write the airbill number on the box where it's visible, and not covered by anything. This way, (with FedEX at least) if the airbill pouch is removed, the info can be found by way of accessing the airbill number.

- When pkging. your firearm, after placing the airbill into the sticky pouch and placing it on the pkg., place pcs. of pkging tape on top of the pouch to keep it held down securely. (See above)

- When filling out the airbill, DO NOT write something like Scattergun Tech, Clark's Guns, Jardine's Gunsmithing, etc. Write an acronym which isn't obvious, or just simply write an individual's name and the address. Sure, several people at the location station will know who it's going to since they know the area and deliver there, but not everyone in the system handling your box will know that it's likely a firearm.

- Pkg. your firearm SECURELY. Place in the stock plastic box it came with, then place an absorbing (shock, water) material next to it and then into a FIRM (not, a reused flimsy box) rigid outer container or box. Don't use one that's been used several times already and will probably break open once other boxes have been placed upon it.
Remember people, yours is not the only box in the system! There are thousands more, each pkg. nicely or not so nicely. They travel miles of conveyor belts and are handled by many people (some gorillas) usually under many time constraints. Pkgs. are loaded/or built tightly into air shipping containers and are therefore placed on top of others to MAXIMIZE the space of the container. Containers, after being completed, usually weigh more than vehicles.

- Purchase the shipping insurance for your firearm. It's worth it.

- Always ship (if overnight service) so the pkg. will arrive before or on Fri. Never tender to the freight company on a Fri, unless you paid extra for Sat del. Otherwise, the pkg. will be with the company longer, allowing extra time for any of those bad things you sometimes hear about to happen. Theft, loss, damage, etc.

- If the pkg will be traveling during a wet season, or to or from a wet area, consider placing some sort of plastic bag around your inner box. It's not unheard of for pkgs. to get wet during their time at stations, hubs, airports, etc, during loading or pkg. handling. Cardboard will just soak it up, and then this increases the chances for your box to come apart (see above) and lose the contents.

EricO
 
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UPS left my Title II Uzi propped up against my door a couple of years ago. Vector had returned it with a signature required but they just left it on the porch anyway. I'm lucky to live in a pretty good neighborhood.
 
Par for the course. I ordered a FEG HP copy from a friend who was also an FFL. His apartment was in an area zoned for business (one of these multi-use things) and he was at the time a very small time FFL so he ran his "shop" out of this address. Anyway, UPS left the gun sitting on the doorstep in plain view. I'm amazed, given the neighborhood, that the box was still there when he arrived home 6 hours after it was delivered.
 
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