What guns would you have?

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I have gone with commonality with calibers, types of firearm, magazine interchangabilty,ammunition. Each set of firearm for differnt kind of work.
They are 12 gauge,.308, 7.62x39, 40s+w and 1- 9mm subcompact for a backup. Even my 40's could go with 9mm with a barrel swap and slight modification to the magazine if i had to.


I have tried to keep it simple but yet the urge to expand is great. :)
 
Um.... Unlimited money? Probably FN SCARs, or the (curnently) vaporware Bushmaster ACR, both with a happy switch or course. AA12 shotguns as backup, with a few M79 grenade launchers, and Glocks in 10mm auto. If not, just regular ARs, to my spec.

If i had a buudget, and had to arm my (small) family, and a few friends? I would keep my AR for myself, and buy a bunch of sagias or SKSs, with XD pistols in 40S&W...
 
I wouldn't be too concerned. The only family I have around here is my girlfriend (all our family's all over the country/world).
I would keep it simple. Either a .308 or perhaps .270 rifle, some sort of larger bore handgun - something like a .45colt (Ruger Redhawk? ) more for protection against 4-legged theats at close range the 2... and something like a Marlin 70P or Henry "Survival Rifle" for the girlfriend.

In a situation as described, the old saying is "head for the hills". Well, i'm already here. Just walk out the back door and disappear for a little while. I'd be more concerned about bears, or the occasional mountain lion then people.
 
my bro and i already have ar's

couple of good friends i consider extended family also have ar's

sks rifles for the rest of the men in my family

we have a couple of marines in the family so definitly ar's for them

my son and my brothers boy could team up with a couple of scatter guns

my brother i laws on recon with a nice 338 lapua and decent optics, and see if we could find a way out of the crap without raising too much of a fuss.

i would ask my cousin who is a decorated marine gunny to head up our group. no ego allowed near him, period.

he would also be a great asset if we were able to come across some munitions with more fun factor.
 
Keeping it realistic, as I do plan one day should I ever get my 10+ acres, I'll order a dozen SKSs (always need spare parts, lol) a dozen Mosins, and if they can still be can be found without costing an arm and a leg, a dozen TT-33s. Don't want anyone spraying a praying or at least trying to with semis, after those first ten rounds disappear quick you realize you can't keep pulling the trigger like you want to be Rambo.

And TT-33's fire the 7.62x25, which will deliever some nasty over-penetratoin, be reliable, and make a good club if you have to hit someone, if they get past your bayonet.
 
If you wanted to be prepared to arm a small group of people like you family or friends for instance in the case of shtf, chaos, invasion, etc what guns would you own?
M44 mosin nagant.

-It's easy to teach anyone how to use it
-It costs about $75
-The ammo is very cheap and available
-Even without bullets, it's still a spear and a club
-It's simple and reliable
-In a pinch, it makes a decent oar, tent pole, piece of firewood, etc.
-It's very, very powerful
-It's somewhat accurate... accurate enough anyway
-It is powerful enough to take down anything in the Western hemisphere
 
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expvideo,and blacklabelop have it right,in my opinion.The MN is the cheapest most effective MBR out there.They cost a half an Enfield,or a third of an SKS or decent Mauser.They bang hell outta the 200 yard gong.I've got to say if I was going to try to arm ten friends,for under a $1000.00,that's what I'd pick.
 
I'd start handing them the most appropriate weapon for each shooter out of my safe... No single gun is going to do the job of protecting a group of people, you are going to need a variety and a hell of a lot of ammo. Primarily we'd be armed with GLOCK's AK's, and 12-gauge shotguns.

A Mosin has intimidating recoil, and realistically in the hands of a novice or small-framed person would be pretty much useless. On the other hand if you give them a 10/22 they'll still be able to deliver rounds on target a hundred yards out - in a much faster succession and with more accuracy.
 
A Mosin has intimidating recoil, and realistically in the hands of a novice or small-framed person would be pretty much useless. On the other hand if you give them a 10/22 they'll still be able to deliver rounds on target a hundred yards out - in a much faster succession and with more accuracy.
This is a very good point. But keep in mind that in a SHTF situation, a low maintenance gun is not always as good as a no maintenance gun. However, you are right that a small framed person might be more effective with a .22 than a 7.62x54r. But I stand by the M44 being the all time best hand-out gun for arming small groups of people. They do not require as much maintenance as a semi-auto to be reliable.

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An SKS is a close second in my book, but I would not go out and buy 10 SKS's, because it's not in my budget. Buying a handful of M44s is much more do-able for me, especially if it is only to fulfill a hypothetical fantasy.
 
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This is a very good point. But keep in mind that in a SHTF situation, a low maintenance gun is not always as good as a no maintenance gun. However, you are right that a small framed person might be more effective with a .22 than a 7.62x54r. But I stand by the M44 being the all time best hand-out gun for arming small groups of people. They do not require as much maintenance as a semi-auto to be reliable.

By no means do I think the 10/22 would be a good choice for SHTF scenario (it's an unreliable POS, especially compared to a Nagant) - I just don't think the Nagant is a "friends and family" friendly weapon. If it were up to me, I'd be handing people a semi-auto AK variant - easily manageable recoil, very reliable, almost no maintenance, and parts are everywhere...

One of these days I might, but as of now I haven't drank the Nagant kool-aid...
 
Hey, if I had the choice I'd be handing out AKs too, but have you priced one recently? I could realisitically start stock-piling M44s, but AKs are out of budget for me.
 
AKs. Mosins are too limited (heavy recoil, low rate of fire) and SKSs aren't cheap enough to make up for their weight and 10-round mags. So, Romanian AKs. Simple, reliable, cheap ammo, cheap mags, and about as easy to use as anything effective. If I could afford it, I'd put LaRue Irondots on them all too.

expvideo - The trick is to not have missed out on the glut of $99 parts kits that were out there until recently. :)
 
Just what I have now for self defense: S&W M&P 9MM, S&W M&P 40 Cal, Springfield XD40 sub compact, and shotguns. Ammo on hand: 300 rds 12 ga, 750rds 9MM and +/- 1500 rounds of .40 cal. The survivalist groups recommend a 1000 rounds for ea type gun
 
To be honest with the people I know give me a couple crates of Win 94's in 30-30 and a couple crates of 870's in 12 gauge. Simple to make go boom, reliable, and effective at untrained ranges.
 
Here's another point of view...and this is my pop's point of view which I don't entirely agree with:

He has an antique WWI german mauser and about 150 rounds of armor piercing surplus ammo for it that was bought in the sixties, iirc. Maybe earllier. His point of view is that in a SHTF scenario, there's going to be so many dead people he'll just pick up a rifle if it's better than what he's got. And if he can't find one laying around, he'll go hunting and snipe someone that is carrying something better than what he's got.

So he claims that if he's lucky, he'll never use any of his 150 rounds or his rifle. If he's unlucky, he'll use one round of his 150 rounds and drop the rifle after one use.

Of course, he's of the age now that he won't be hunting or sniping anything and probably can't see good enough to use anything other than a shotgun. BUt that was the extent of his SHTF arsenal for his entire life...and still is.

He was an excellent shot btw. Better than I ever was. I don't know how good he is nowdays. BUt 15 years ago, he could still outshoot me with pistols. Probably not with iron sights on rifles though.
 
Note: I was born in the mid 50's.

What guns have I actually used.

There was no 911, much less cell phones when I was born and coming up.
Folks were self reliant, neighborly, in the city, and semi rural and rural areas.

The concern of "The Ruskies" attacking, and folks concerned about Gov't, Control and even Gun Control was discussed back then.

Mentors included Veterans of previous conflicts and shared how peoples were disarmed first, then they were more easily defeated.

Everyone grew up with a shotgun behind the back door, and kids learned to shoot at a very young age.

Mental preparation was ingrained and instilled , it was as we say today:
Software, not Hardware.

Keep in mind, folks did not have credit cards, they made do, did without, or patched up.

They did lay-a-way, and might sign a ledger at the mom and pop store for something, but that ledger was paid in full on payday.

Guns?
Folks did lessons with whatever gun they had. Yes, just like these IPSC/ IDPA, and 3 Gun stages, folks actually had "set ups" and run what they brung.

Chain gangs did work in cities, semi-rural and rural areas, so one "set up" might be this situation.
It did not matter what gun you had, instead of knowing how to use the gun you had.

It was common for that single shot shotgun, to be a Youth size. Because a bigger person can effectively use a smaller gun, where a smaller person cannot a bigger gun.

Anyone from Child, Teenager, Adult, Elderly, even Physically Limited could use that youth shotgun.
If the escaped prisoner from the chain gang showed up at the home, anyone could use that shotgun.
Even dial a hardwired, rotary tone telephone to get help. Many folks shared a 'party line'.

The Single shot shotgun is one firearm hoarded back for the reasons if Gov't ever imposed control and included the wording "repeating" , this gun would be exempt.
It was easy to reload for, and Veterans and those that knew history shared of "bread-n-butter".
Simply put, a people armed with such a simple gun, would kill enemy and take their guns and ammo.


Single Shot .22 rifles were another gun used by folks. It taught correct basic fundamentals on how to shoot, put food on the table, took care of pests on the property.
It too was simple to use, and like the single shot shotgun, it had a history of holding up and working in tough environments.

While many folks would buy a few .22 ctgs, or shotgun shells, or any ammo at a time, from a tin can, or bucket on a hardware store counter, even filling station, or grocery store...

Lots of .22 ammo was hoarded back, besides being able to handle a lot of tasks, the .22 ctg was not centerfire, in case gun control had some wording about "center-fire" ammunition, and the ammunition would be great barter material, along with wicks for lamps adn flints for Zippo lighters.

.22 handguns, were valued, and Nobody ever made fun of those folks doing whatever it was they did fighting the Cold War, and carried Colt Woodsmans, and small semi auto pistols that fired the .22 rim fire.

One thing spoken about a lot was, how important a concealable handgun was when matters were "difficult".
People had and were still doing things in countries where guns were not looked on with favor.
"Police" were not the nice Beat Cops that assisted a kid with a penny and a gumball machine.

Medium Framed dedicated .38spl revolvers
were also respected, and valued. These could be reloaded for, and with light to heavier loads.

Oh, and if Gov't ever had some wording about "semi auto" handguns, or magazines, or how many rounds...

True.
When Tornadoes hit an area, and folks were hit hard, meaning guns, and other supplies stored and put back were under rubble, or blown away, neighbors went to assist.

Criminals would come down to take advantage of these victims, only to find out Neighbors had brought Single Shot Shotguns, Single Shot .22 Rifles, .22 handguns and .38spls.

For starters, as folks had these in "drums" or "foot lockers" and ready to go with ammo.
Along with candles, oil lamps, kerosene lamps, home canned goods, first aid and other items.

Yes, lever action rifles in 30-40, bolt action 30-06, Repeating shotguns, 1911s, BHPs were part of all this too as were a few other guns.
Folks just knew these guns.

How raised -What you do

Still the basic guns were not only in the home, they were set back for Gun Control, and Serious Situations.


When Katrina hit, some of us made a run to some folks we knew. Single Shot Shotguns, Single shot .22 rifles, Marlin 60s, Model 10s with simple ammo.

When multiple tornadoes ripped through in early 2008, these same simple guns were passed to folks we knew in need.

Keep in mind something else. When tornadoes, floods, Hurricanes and other disasters hit, folks get hurt.
If nothing else than hands and fingers being cut, sore from dealing with clean up.
Add busted arms, a busted leg, aches, pains, ...

Simple guns are simple to use when you are hurt.

I have used a single shot shotgun, in 20 ga, as we don't recommend anything bigger.
The Gov't might say we cannot have guns, caliber, or gauges as "Police" or "Military". That would put a damper on 12 gauge guns and ammo...
History will share some governments have done this or have this restriction, about peoples not having guns , calibers and gauges of "Police"

Still I have shot a moving vehicle, with looters shooting at me and mine, with intent of scaring off tornado victims.
I was mentored - right. I am a shotgunner.

5 slugs hit that vehicle moving and many thought I had used a pump shotgun. Folks think I am using a semi when I run a pump.

During civil unrests, (riots) I have shot firebombs before they reached a porch, or roof.
Mentors were doing this too.
WE turned a mob, in the dark, felling those firebombs and stopping the original threat.

I do not do goopy shotguns, with funky stocks and sighting systems.
Heck I competed with guns custom fitted and had the front bead removed on purpose.

Still a plain old single shot shotgun, will stop a firebomb.

Focus on the target, not the equipment
- Will Fennell


Just my take.
I am not against newer offerings, or different ones.
I have been there and done that, more than once, going back to the mid 50s.

If I had the money, I know what I would be stocking up on ,and it would not be ARs, or EBRs.

Choose wisely.
 
If cost was not an issue I would certainly equip with AKs and AR10-types as I veiw those as the best battlefield options. If I had to do something quick on a budget for the other family members that probably have little or no experience shooting I would buy Mossberg ATR 100 rifles, b/c I can get them at walmart for $249 with a 3x9x40 scope already attached and bore sighted in. Cheap and ready to use. In such a situation they would defending from a secure position, not making offense moves, I think that weapon would fit and be easy for them aim and hit. If buying handguns in preperation I would get hi-point 9mms on the cheap, if in a rush you would limited to whatever you could find in local gun stores of course.
 
I live in a pretty close-in neighborhood, houses on both sides and across the street. If I were to give my neighbors guns to use in an emergency, I would stay away from rifle calibers, *especially* for the house directly across the street from me. I imagine looters or some sort of "enemy" coming down the street, and everyone opening fire and killing each other/ourselves with cross fire and over penetration. I think I'd lean towards pistol caliber carbines, handguns, and shotguns.

If there was some sort of hypothetical situation where there was a small amount of time to prepare (i.e. purchase guns for this specific purpose), I'd think about revolvers, bolt actions, and shotguns. The last thing I want to encourage with newbies is "spray and pray".

If somehow the situation arose where we were all facing and shooting in one unified direction -- and Lord knows I have an overactive imagination and even I can't reasonably imagine this -- then I'd be sharing what ever I have, and saying my final farewell to this world, no doubt.
 
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Maverick 88 or Norinco 870-copy shotguns for $175/each

Ruger P95 9mm for $300/each

Mossberg ATR rifle package in 308, qty one

Stock up on Federal LE buckshot, Brenneke slugs, Prvi SP 308, and whatever HP 9mm you can buy.
 
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