What will you do when they come for you?

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There has been a lot of discussion of door-to-door searches and seizures of firearms. Apparently it has been exaggerated, but think about a counter-strategy.

1. Have an inventory of everything in your house, including serial numbers of your guns and photos of guns and furnished rooms. Put that in a safe place, outside of your residence. (You ought to do this anyway, for insurance purposes.)

2. Have a letter ready for signature: "I (name), having forced (your name) and family to leave their home against their wills, assume full responsibiliity for the home and all it's contents (inventory attached)" and add lines for signature, name and SSAN of the person ordering you out. (You may want to simple designate your guns in this case as "gun collection."

3. Politely ask the people trying to search or evacuate your home, "Do you have a warrant?" "Do you have a court order? Please show me your written authority to make me leave and to take my property." "I want a reciept for everything you take."

4. Have other family members taking pictures. (If possible, have a battery-operated concealed camera so you can record any attempts to take your cameras.)

5. Have your lawyer in the suit you file later demand they produce the guns physically, or document their destruction (dollars to doughnuts the people who confiscate them will keep the choice pieces.)

Let me point out that any actions they take because you politely ask what their authority is, or because you ask for a receipt are crimes. Stopping you from taking pictures can be seen as an admission they knew they were violating the law. And taking or destroying the cameras, tape recorders, documents, and so on can be seen as an admission of guilt.

And destroying or tampering with evidence is a crime all by itself.
 
bad boys bad boys


but no, really, what excuse or legitimate reason could they have for gun confiscation in Idaho or Montana? NONE.

So if they're comming to get them... then you will put Plan A into action. You have a Plan A don't cha?
 
No legitimate excuse in Montana, Idaho, OR Louisiana.

If they HAVE confiscated guns, they better be prepared to produce every one -- and you know somebody ripped off a few. And THAT is looting -- just as if they'd held people at gunpoint and taken their jewelry or cash.
 
I think in the real world everything is negotiable.

If they come for me, I'll politely invite their officer (unarmed) to pay me a visit while the others wait outside. Then I will explain to him in private that confrontation is going to be a needless loss for both sides. It is not a good day to get shot, etc. So, he can go back out and tell them the domicile is secure and disarmed, and they can move on, or... not. :evil:

The problem with disarmament is that the authorities will be followed by a gang of looters/bandits that would be happy to visit you once you are nice and "secured". :)
 
I don't think any of that will do you any good, Vern. You're not going to intimidate them and I doubt they'll sign anything. They'll just say they're acting under orders of blah-blah (whatever the current reason is at the time), and they expect your cooperation or you'll go to jail.

They might consider you an oddball and decide to bust your chops, tear up your house or whatever. The moment you show any resistance you get maced, tasered, batoned or shot.
 
Please excuse my disbelief. They can't even identify the dead.
Your piece of paper is going to get wet.
Your guns are gone, you are under arrest.
You lose.
If you give in.
 
Ah, the question arises of how to deal with wolves in sheepdogs' clothing.

I would ask them if they know their Kipling...

...
“’T was only by favor of mine,” quoth he, “ye rode so long alive:
There was not a rock for twenty mile, there was not a clump of tree,
But covered a man of my own men with his rifle cocked on his knee.
If I had raised my bridle-hand, as I have held it low,
The little jackals that flee so fast, were feasting all in a row:
If I had bowed my head on my breast, as I have held it high,
The kite that whistles above us now were gorged till she could not fly.”
...

...and invite them to go away and NEVER COME BACK if they believe me, or else engage in some mutual dying if they don't.

And while we are being literary, how about some Russian literature too:

"At what exact point, then, should one resist? When one's belt is taken away? When one is ordered to face into a corner? When one crosses the threshold of one's home? An arrest consists of a series of incidental irrelevancies, of a multitude of things that do not matter, and there seems no point in arguing about any one of them individually----especially at the time when the thoughts of the person arrested are wrapped tightly about the big question: "What for?"--and yet all these incidental irrelevancies taken together implacably constitute the arrest.
...

And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive... Or, if during periods of mass arrests...people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, not withstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!"

[Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipeligo, 1918-1956. 1973]


lpl/nc (Do YOU mean it when you say, "come and take them?" Or is it just a hat or a tee shirt saying to you?)
 
I could, literally, die any second. When you live with the idea a while, it isn't scary, anymore. How you draw your last breath is more important than when.
Yeah, I know what I'd do. Leave a scar!
 
Please excuse my disbelief. They can't even identify the dead.
Your piece of paper is going to get wet.
Your guns are gone, you are under arrest.
You lose.
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Oddly enough, they're backing off in New Orleans. People who won't go aren't being forced. People who won't let them enter their houses aren't being pushed aside.

Your paper should exist in duplicate -- you should have your inventory in a secure location, with photographs.

Now, if you have pictures, witnesses, and copies of the paper you asked them to sign -- and witnesses to say they refused -- you have a court case.

And if they can't produce what they took, you have evidence they committed a crime.
 
Been to the edge of this precipice before over a phone call. An error in my records caused the chief of police to question why a felon was purchasing firearms. :what:

You know how they say your llife flashes before your eyes when you drown? It is just like that.

Compromise your rights if you want but my mine aren't open to negotiation.
 
I would urinate on their shoes then give the several armed fellows my guns and hope I can replace them later. Assuming I was silly enough to have them "findable" in the first place.
 
They're gonna need to raise taxes in California so they can give a signing bonus to potential replacement jackboots at the next job fair. :fire:
 
Ah, Lee Lapin,

Love the Kipling.


I, too, have often thought that having a pistol on one's hip is very good, but it's even better to have a good friend or two out there in the bushes with a rifle.

That's obviously not the case, here. If I were all by my self and some scary well-armed government guys half my age and twice my size surged up to my place, well, I hope I would be grumpy and morose enough to do the right thing.
 
When the police come, just show them where your 1200 pound bolted down safe is. "There ya go occifer. I musta lost the key in the flood."
 
I would pray that they do not have backup.
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The initial incursion into the house will probably not be expecting to be ambushed with rifle fire. If you have comparable numbers, the chances of winning the initial clash are pretty good.

However, if there is a truck full of NG waiting in the street out front, things could get really hairy, because the ambush party represents only one position, with no mobility. The NG, being outside, could split into 2 groups, one of which would flush you out while the other draws fire. You would only prevail if you had another group outside the house to pick off guys in cover and allow you to keep to defending the fort. The outside guys would be concealed amongst other neighborhood buildings, with a clear sight of the fort. Your chances of winning become slim once the NG is there, and even in this case you are assuming that there isnt more support on the way once the shooting starts.

But the main problem remains in gathering the manpower for such an endeavor. You need a group of people to set up the initial ambush, and another group to harass anyone who takes cover, probably at least 4 in each group. They all need to be good at rifle shooting, they all need to be willing to take human life and they all need to be willing to take the lives of LEOs and national guardsmen. Finding 8 or more individuals willing to ambush police and NG patrols (who are fellow Americans, after all) will be fairly difficult, a million times moreso when you dont know for certain that there is any sort of foul play afoot.

If youre willing to "lose the battle" (by dying) then obviously you dont need as much organization, only a good set of booby traps and a nice hiding spot to shoot from. Even if you only trade 1 for 1, it will leave a bad taste in their mouths as their numbers slowly dwindle. I hate losing, but sometimes there are no winning outcomes.

edit: omg 1776 posts lol patriotism
 
but no, really, what excuse or legitimate reason could they have for gun confiscation in Idaho or Montana? NONE.
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There isnt a legitimate reason anywhere, period.

If you consider a disaster to be a legitimate reason then dont think your immune. You can have fires, industrial explosions, terrorist attacks, military mishaps (guess where we put all our nukes ;) ) poison gas leaks, and metorite impacts to name a few.

Then again, maybe they will just save you guys for last, then they wont need an excuse.
 
I've always figured the rational response was to peacefully give over the guns they know about, (That's not all of them, right?) ask politely for a receipt, note down badge numbers...

and murder them in their sleep a month later, if you don't get them back. :evil:

You let the other guy decide when the fight happens, the other guy wins. And we do NOT have the sort of numbers that would allow us to fight stupid.
 
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