When they come for your guns - what will you do?

[NIGHTWATCH]

Nightwatch,

Right now we need numbers. Our enemy is convincing those fence sitters that we are a bunch of anti-government, KKK, Nazi loonies.

That is a stereotype I wish that we would no longer feed. We have done a very good job of proving that we are not tolerant of the KKK types and skinhead types, but people still see us as anti-government.

As long as we are seen as anti-government, the average everyday joe fence sitter will be afraid to join us.

We need to work to increase our numbers, and the best way to do that is to show a positive image.

What are we each doing to create a positive image of gun owners? Are we offering to take our friends who are fence sitters to the range? Are we working to be good examples of law abiding, freedom loving firearm owners?

Or are we telling our friends and neighbors that they better arm themselves before the UN and the Black Helos start circling?

Which of the two options help us more?

The question of what do we do when they are coming for our guns, got news for you. They are already doing that through the legislative process. And no amount of internet posturing will change that. But we can work together to stop it, and we have been working together.

The more people we convince, the better.

The .gov is not ready to start to round up gun owners forcibly. They will do that with laws that will slowly erode our rights, and weaken us that way first.

We still have a long way to go.

Remember what I said above, 80 million gun owners. 2.5 million military personel.
They aren't coming to kick in our doors just yet.

Unless you give them an excuse, in which case you will be branded a terrorist rather than a patriot.

Itgoesboom, you are right. And I understand and agree with you 100%.

I would just say that our First amendment rights are just as valid and potent as the Second. The scenario, the question was "What will you do when they come for your guns"? My response was based a very big If, IF the government turned criminal.

Im sure there are some here who would consider that action (confiscation) "legal" simply because the government says so. But Im going by the inherent wisdom that I was created free.

It was a question. I answered it honestly. If my government turned criminal to the point of bloodshed and I suffered, I would not want to live. Id give my life. A non-white latino American.

I also believe that we are setting a dangerous example to those who may wish to speak their mind, when we are so eager to silence ourselves in order to win the approval of others or because of what they might think, or who is watching. The enemies of this country are out and speaking loudly on their agendas. In many instances, with all the vulgarity and deceit you can imagine. We dont have to lower ourselves to their level but we do need to keep speaking. Keep writing. Keep calling and letting them all know that we are here. And that gun control, the infringements of our freedom, if persued further, will eventually lead to a national crisis, brought about by them, that they will regret deeply. Because I believe a good majority of Americans feel the way I do.

So, Im with you. And I pray for peaceful political justice....but let us never cease from speaking our minds.

 

[Bill St. Clair]

Whenever this question comes up, in any of the forums where I've seen it, just about the same thing happens. A few people say they'd shoot it out, and a few other people tell them they're acting like loons. Remember folks, the shot heard round the world was prompted by an attempt by the British, the legal government at the time, to confiscate firearms. History has a habit of repeating itself.

Personally, I consider it rational and patriotic to let it be known, loud and clear, that if the government ever attempts to confiscate guns, their constitutional contract is null and void, and everyone who works for them is fair game.

 

[Wildalaska]

Personally, I consider it rational and patriotic to let it be known, loud and clear, that if the government ever attempts to confiscate guns, their constitutional contract is null and void, and everyone who works for them is fair game.

Well they have already done it in NYC, how come ya aint out shooting Mr. Rational Patriot??? Since every one who works for the government is fair game, maybe you should go over to like the Public Health Service and blow away some nurses That will make your point, hell McVeigh is still a hero in some circles and he got some kiddies...kill em before they turn into Feds I reckon

History has a habit of repeating itself.

Somehow the comparison between a bunch of armchair commandos self styling themselves as patriots and the educated, rational and philosophical men who founded this country escapes me.


Wildlurkersplease notenotallgunownersdeserveyourdisdaindisgustorfearAlaska

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

Well they have already done it in NYC, how come ya aint out shooting Mr. Rational Patriot???

Wildalaska, if there is anyone here who is consistantly ranting off about killing innocent unarmed civilians, its not me but you. Now nurses?....feeling ok bud?... maybe its time for your walk? Hmm? Get out of the cabin?

Remember folks, the shot heard round the world was prompted by an attempt by the British, the legal government at the time, to confiscate firearms. History has a habit of repeating itself.

And thats the truth Bill St. Clair, but some people "dont want to believe". And will not only turn a blind eye to history but perpetuate that very same tyranny by attacking those who want to see. Regardless ...

Those who would make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable. Those who renounce using their arms against a corrupt political machine are the very people that make that violence inevitable. Passivity only encourages the machine to expand. - John F. Kennedy

Even if you are a minority of one. The truth is still the truth - Mahatma Gandhi

Im on the right side of history.

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! — Patrick Henry

 

[mikemck]

Somehow the comparison between a bunch of armchair commandos self styling themselves as patriots and the educated, rational and philosophical men who founded this country escapes me.

LOL..you hit that nail square.

I figured out a long time ago that despite all the lip service and "cold dead hands" hyperbole, if it ever comes down to it the majority will gladly hand over whatever they are told to hand over. Oh sure, they will have some excuse or other for why they did it and will gladly commiserate with each other on a net forum, and continue dreaming up various fantasy scenarios. SSDD, really.

There's a big difference between supporting a right and defending a right...

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

I figured out a long time ago that despite all the lip service and "cold dead hands" hyperbole, if it ever comes down to it the majority will gladly hand over whatever they are told to hand over. Oh sure, they will have some excuse or other for why they did it and will gladly commiserate with each other on a net forum, and continue dreaming up various fantasy scenarios. SSDD, really.

And?..... you have nothing to offer regarding the question of defending that right?

Listen, you dont even have the cajones to mention here what you might consider your breaking point when the question has been asked. And your going to mock those who would??? You cant even discuss it here? On a 2nd Amendment forum???....

Now thats funny!!! ROTFL!!!

 

[MacViolinist]

To me, this issue comes down to one thing: Is it a clean shoot? I don't care if you're a jack-booted thug or a regular thug or anything else. The only question is whether or not I am in fear for my life or the lives of those I love. Just the same as any other situation, escape is preferable to deadly force. Lying is prefereable to deadly force. You don't walk around flashing your gun trying to kill anyone that makes some sort of injustice on another. If you do, I'll probably pull on you. The fact is this: guns should only be used to save your life or the life of another from an immediate threat. Period. That is all. If "they" come for my guns, I will let "them" decide how the situation goes. I won't give them up, but I won't let them kill me either.

On a more general note, *** is going on here? Why hasn't this thread been closed and deleted? Don't you people know that the CIA watches this board and many others? I can only assume that those of you that are advocating violent resistance to the government are people that are too dumb for me to associate with, if only for the fact that you are dumb enough to do it in public. Not to mention the fact that an officer of the law is not doing anything violent by asking you for your guns. Hello? Is there an epidemic of stupid going around that I haven't picked up yet? What is your major malfunction? You want to go off blowing people up because you can't stand to give a smile and a nod to your local cop and tell a bit of a fib? Jesus H. Christ, people like NIGHTWATCH almost make me think that gun control might be a good idea.

 

[mikemck]

Listen, you dont even have the cajones to mention here what you might consider your breaking point when the question has been asked. And your going to mock those who would??? You cant even discuss it here? On a 2nd Amendment forum???....

There is not anything that can be done on the net that requires cojones. You obviously do not understand that.

And furthermore, there is nothing to discuss. Either you will, or you won't.

 

[fjolnirsson]

Hmmm,

"A Patriot is merely a rebel at the start. In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."-Mark Twain

Make of that what you will.

I am, and shall work towards peaceful restoration of our 2nd Amendment rights.
I am mature enough to realize I should prepare for the most unfavorable outcome imaginable.
It is often said, in favor of carrying a weapon: Because I have a fire extinguisher in my home, am I hoping for a fire?
Because I prepare for the worst while working to prevent it, am I really hoping for the worst?

I am dismayed to see High Roaders insulting each other. I understand that tempers flare. However, I would hope to see you all exhibit the same respect which I have for each of you. Regardless of personal differences and questions of semantics, we are all on the same side.

What will I do if they come for my weapons?

I don't really know at this point. I would like to say I would fight. But I have a 3 month old daughter.
On the other hand, I have a 3 month old daughter. I would not want her to live in a US without guns or the right to self defense. If I do not stand and fight then and there, rest assured I would be helping with the "gun underground" from then on. As for posting this on the net, well...
If, when they come for my guns, they are able to waste resources by having someone check all of my old THR posts for plans, we've already lost.
Doesn't mean we should give up.

With that said, I don't think this scenario will ever play out. We have made much progress in recent years. So long as we stand and fight the good fight in the political arena, we will win back those rights currently denied to us.
But I could be wrong.
And so, I train.

 

[fjolnirsson]

Don't you people know that the CIA watches this board and many others?

Damn, and here I am, out of tinfoil.......

 

[MacViolinist]

The only reason I say that the CIA watches this board and many others is that my girlfriends father is CIA and he told me.

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

You want to go off blowing people up because you can't stand to give a smile and a nod to your local cop and tell a bit of a fib? Jesus H. Christ, people like NIGHTWATCH almost make me think that gun control might be a good idea.

Ladies and gentlemen, at this point of the thread, despite all historical background and evidence. Despite the constitutional authority we have as citizens to defend ourselves from government sponsored genocide. Despite explaining myself within the context of the subject matter numerous times, I rest my case. Witness the hope of the gun control movement and the desired result of believing in benevolent government. Not to mention the favorite citizen child of every despot in history.

Don't you people know that the CIA watches this board and many others?

Oh give me a break! We are having a political discussion here on a very relevant and serious issue! Im an American exercising my right to speak! Im not screaming FIRE in a crowded theatre! And there are no terrorists here! They would have much better luck finding them at the"Democratic Underground". So stop acting like a slave at his masters feet!!!

 

[Art Eatman]

Gee whillikins! I'm absolutely amazed that anybody would post anything on the Internet that they wouldn't say to an agent of any agency, or to a prosecutor or judge! Would anybody really do such a thing?

Art

 

[R.H. Lee]

The only reason I say that the CIA watches this board and many others is that my girlfriends father is CIA and he told me.

Well, tell him we're not getting our money's worth then. He and his buddies need to get busy and find some real terrorists. They're lucky they still have jobs after the failure known as 9/11.

 

[Wildalaska]

feeling ok bud?... maybe its time for your walk? Hmm? Get out of the cabin?

Now isnt that special...cutie little photos from the Freeedom Commandos...

Bwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha

Hint..in the time it took ya to create that piece of modern art, ya could have...hmm...taken your 25 internet patriot buddies and started a youth shooting league...or written a letter to the editor...or...

Naw so much more fun to spout on the net, eh...well anyway, got to go, got to drive SWMBO to work and then go to a gun show...lots of machine guns there...got those in NYC do ya?...hey by the way, do ya know our VT style carry is the result of grassroots activism?

WildnolongeraNYCboyAlaska

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

Gee whillikins! I'm absolutely amazed that anybody would post anything on the Internet that they wouldn't say to an agent of any agency, or to a prosecutor or judge! Would anybody really do such a thing?

Art, I would...

Your honor...members of the jury. Yes. Its true. I said it.

The question was asked. "What would you do if they came for your guns"? What would you do if they came for your guns with guns. Prepared to kill me for exercising my birthright. And labeling me the criminal....yes, its true ladies and gentleman.

I would rather give my life at some point, than see America turned into a mass grave by those "sworn to protect us". With all of her hopes and her people perished forever. Yes....its true. I would not want to live as a slave.

Molonlabe


Im done.

 

[MacViolinist]

It's unfortunate that the CIA bit was the only thing noted in my post. I still think it boils down to a clean shoot. Is someone attacking you or not?

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

The only reason I say that the CIA watches this board and many others is that my girlfriends father is CIA and he told me.

Well, tell him we're not getting our money's worth then. He and his buddies need to get busy and find some real terrorists. They're lucky they still have jobs after the failure known as 9/11.

 

[MacViolinist]

BTW NIGHTWATCH,
YOUR USE OF PUCTUATION AND BOLD AND CAPITALS AND ????? IS REALLY GOOD N STUFF, IT REALLY HELPS ME TAKE YOU'RE POINT SERIUS,

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

It's unfortunate that the CIA bit was the only thing noted in my post. I still think it boils down to a clean shoot. Is someone attacking you or not?

That is a valid point. Did not mean to make fun of you in particular but just trying to lighten things up a bit.

Would someone please beat NIGHTWATCH over the head with a clue x 4

Case in point.

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

BTW NIGHTWATCH, YOUR USE OF PUCTUATION AND BOLD AND CAPITALS AND ????? IS REALLY GOOD N STUFF, IT REALLY HELPS ME TAKE YOU'RE POINT SERIUS,

Another example.

 

[MacViolinist]

RE: the CIA

It seems that my point was lost on the topic of the CIA. I am simply saying that websites like this are being watched. I am also saying that under the Patriot Act, some of the posters on this board could be arrested and held without charges. When/if that happens is anyone's guess. But it's tough to argue with a prosecutor that is accusing you of advocating violence against government employees. If you must do so, I strongly reccomend PM's

 

[MacViolinist]

That is a valid point

Well then perhaps you should respond to it instead of all this junk about blowing one's self up and hopefully a few hundred or thousand with you.

 

[NIGHTWATCH]

I appreciate your opinion MacViolinist, I do. I would also appreciate it if you changed your sig.

Its one thing for us guys to get into it on a thread, thats fun as far as Im concerned. But a lasting sig insult is not cool man.

And as far as this thread, I really think you need to take another look within the context from the begining. If I had to die for my country, I would want to take out as many thugs as possible...wouldnt you?

My 2.

 

[MacViolinist]

No, NIGHTWATCH. I would not take out as many as I could. I will "take out" exactly the number of people that try to kill me or my family and no more. What part of appropriate use of deadly force don't you get? I hope to God that you don't carry on a daily basis.