When THEY come for YOUR guns...

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Hkmp5sd has it right,

But for some of us, the holdouts, the vocal hardcore minority, we will be lucky to get a shot off. They will probably arrest us away from home, in public. It will look real dramatic as we get jumped on by 4 or 5 plainclothes guys (or in my case 6 or 7), they throw us on the ground, show the sheeple around the our gun and pronounce us a terroist or something. No one will bat an eye. This will be long after it is too late, we will be too few and too poorly armed to do much.


David
 
No, you won't be too poorly armed to do anything about it. Even under dire circumstances, when used cleverly, a "pocket rocket" or a WW1 era .30-06 can still get you any gun you want.

But let's work hard to keep it from getting that bad. That requires us to stop being so friggin' pessimistic all the time! ;)
 
Every time the federales pull a boner and it turns into a charlie foxtrot there is always an after action report that features a "How can we keep that from happening again" section. Mind you the issue isn't changing behavior, the issue is how not to get caught at it.

Klamuth Basin Standoff
Ruby Ridge
Waco

Publicity is poison. Their goals remain unchanged, tactics continue to evolve. The best cover and concealment available in political confrontation is publicity. Every disaffected movement in history knows the trick.
 
The legislation is in place, its called the Patriot Act.

Our activity can be/is monitored.

Pick a few "terrorists" out of the line-up, go to their homes, do the thing, preferably when no one is home (think ATF and Lawmaster in OK), bring the toys and computer in for display on TV news. Use words like "arsenal", "terrorist activity", "conspiracy", "danger to society", lock em up, don't allow lawyers access, throw away key.

Will they get them all? Nah. Not in the US. Waaaay too many arms out there.

Will it force us underground? Yeah. The smart ones left standing.

Will it happen? Or whould I ask WHEN will it happen? Sooner than later. Remember, this is a nation that outlawed beer for god's sake.

Will any ban be repealed, like prohibition was? Depends on administration in power and voice of the people. Probably as soon as we see UK relent on their war?

Once owning a firearm, ammunitions, or knife over 3" in length is a criminal activity and all of us are criminals by definition according to new laws passed at State, local and federal levels... and all personal property is seized under forfeiture statute...

Will it cause bloodshed? Did Waco?

Hope I'm wrong. My Dad painted this scenario to me back in '68. He thought it'd happen by now... thank goodness he erred on his timeline.

Adios
 
This is why I will Plan ahead and have a good Secure Hiding place.
I have no Idea what the worst case scenario would be, but I'd Imagine that such a move by the goverment would Result in a Seccond Civil war.

Hard to Imagine for some, but the most Logical Result of such a Ludicris Goverment action.

Providing of course that any US Goverment is Stupid/Suicidal Enough to try something that Insane.:scrutiny:
 
All they have to do is produce the papers that say I have a gun by SN#.
If not they better leave before my broom handle just happens to go off and hurt some one.
Besides I have no guns, officially.
 
they already know...remember the form you filled out to get your gun?its all there,name, address,ssn,seriel number and type of gun.it wont be total from the start.it will continue as its going now with types.i think an immediate- total gun grab would be a very bad idea.even the antis see this.this is why they write up lil bits here and there,making it easier for gun owners to swallow.then move up and take another an another and another.
 
"They brainwash the younger generation into believing guns are evil and individual ownership is not what the second amendment is about."

Well said. In 50 years, having a gun may be about as appealing as having HIV to most folks.
 
This sounds terrible, but I am starting to think that more and harsher FedGov attacks against gun owners are just what we need. Hear me out before going "flamecrazy". My rationale is pretty simple. If it is generally believed that at some point sooner or later the FedGov will move against us because we are percieved as threat, then it makes sense to have them do it soon while we still have access to military-style weapons. Its obvious that as time goes by, more and more restrictions, both soft and hard are being thought up and implimented by the powers that be. Our children are being indoctrinated in our schools to adopt a "pacifistic" approach to life and more and more varied organizations are marching lock-step with the gun-banners because it is "Politically correct". It will only be a matter of time before bullet "Taxes" will become a favorite tool of the liberal politician to penalize legitamite gun owners. Add to this the push for gun owners to carry more home and accident insurance(because everyone knows guns kill people), and all the other annoyances put forth by previous posters and the end result will be that it will be a huge, supreme hassle for the normal person to own any gun. And I think most folks will just let them go. I honestly believe this will happen. Most folks don't shoot regularly and will probably turn in the family firearm for something "useful" like a store voucher or concert tickets. Give it some time and we as a people won't have anything but butter knives to fight back with. I want the FedGov to come down on us like the heavy-handed entity that it is. That would push many fence-sitters off their perches and show them the true face of our supposed masters. Better to wake everyone up so that we can bring this to a resolution, NOW, before we are so weakened all we can do is sit back and hope that we aren't the NEXT house raided by the FedGov tonight.



Michael in Sandy, Oregon/Owner of IronWolf Industries
 
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I am afraid to say this here...

but I am cautiously optimistic. I see some signs of improvement in more states having "shall issue" and stupid lawsuits being stricken down, along with more and more people waking up to the RKBA philosophy in the face of the government failing to protect them. Plus we read here all the time about more and more people converted by THR members. One person at a time...

I hope I am right.

But let's work hard to keep it from getting that bad. That requires us to stop being so friggin' pessimistic all the time!

Exactly.

Sheslinger
 
IRONFIST, I believe you may be close to the truth. I for one don't think what your saying is bunk. If the Brits had been less forcefull and more cautious about how the did what they did, public support for the revolution would not have been what it was.

The fact is Waco and Ruby Ridge may have done for the freedom movement what no book, official, newspaper or patriot could have done by themselves.

It seems in life that resistance is needed to build strength and character. It's life's worst that brings out the best in us. IOW, no butter without the churn. Just some thoughts...
 
I just had the thought that by banning shooting ranges, they can almost eliminate the gun culture in urbam/suburban settings where there is no place to go practice.

I'll bet there are lots of cities now with no gun ranges.
 
"How do you think it will happen?"

It will not happen. Gun control debate has shifted our way.

"What are your thoughts?"

Those of you looking for a fight should channel that energy into something more constructive. I recommend the political arena.
 
It's not so much looking for a fight, as seeing the writing on the wall. Eventually, the vast majority of American society will find it more socially acceptable to NOT own a firearm, than to to own one. Whether from financial, peer or FedGov pressure, sometime in the future it will be more likely that there ISNT a gun in the normal home, then there is. There will be fewer people who see shooting as a true viable sport, much more information in the media about how much it costs everyone to take care of a gunshot victim, and more of a quiet, unvoiced "distaste" for citizens who admit to legal gun ownership. If you look closely you already see the signs of this all around you. For example, A child draws a picture of a gun in school and he can be suspended and sent to counseling. A positive spin put on gun "buy-back" programs by local and national media and how much safer we all are when guns are out of the home. More and more signs in stores and restaurants banning CCW. Major store chains quietly cutting down on how many gun magazines they carry or pushing them into the back of the newsrack as if the magazines were pornagraphy. Venues that have held gun shows for years now stopping them for "insurance" purposes or from the demand of a anti-gun group. Stores that used to sell pistols, rifles and ammo, then only selling rifles and ammo, then just ammo and finally stopping ammo sales completely. The FedGov creating more restrictions, definitions and confusing laws that seem designed to make us just throw up our hands at the stupidity of it all. The loss of places to go shooting within easy reach of most people. If you start looking for the signs of the demise of the American gun culture... they are all around you. I dont believe that there is a vast conspiracy that is organized against us. I really don't. What I see is creeping incrementalism, a series of baby steps down a long road that leads to the voluntary disarming of America. When that happens we will have bared our throats and handed the FedGov the knife. The ballot box will be useless then to effect real change, because without the promise of a well-armed, citizen revolution that will defend the country when the FedGov oversteps their authority, they will do so time and time again, as we have seen. At that point any real chance of true freedom will be taken from us and we will have to embrace our existence as slaves and puppets because that is all we will deserve. Cut the strings now while you still can. We have the chance to say NO, to force their hands and make them reveal just how afraid of us they really are. The second ammendment of the United States Constitution safeguards the rest of them. When it is destroyed in principle and on paper... so are we all.


Michael in Sandy, Oregon/Owner of IronWolf Industries
 
Down on the fed/govs are we?

They are such bad people all the way around aren't they?

"They"--when I see that word used in context of fed/gov's I have to wonder if that person thinks all fed/govs are like the borg where they have no brain of their own and are just a cog for the collective.

"They" is just too vague a word.

Isn't that part of the problem to begin with? The US vs them theorists?

Lots of doom and gloom sayers here. Anyone ever hear of "caching"?

Brownie
 
Resistance is futile.

Seriously, though, Brownie has a good point. I bet there are many pro gun people IN the federal government. I guess the question is what will they do when ordered to round up gun owners or confiscate their guns?
 
I expect to die of govt sponsored lead poisoning.

While it may be unfortunate, I think this will be true in many cases.

But the cure (giving up your guns) is worse than the disease (remote lead injection).

IRONFIST is right, the writing is on the wall. While I don't want to be a naysayer or a gloom-and-doomer, but look at it this way: I'm an Eagle Scout. I am proud to be an Eagle Scout. As such, I believe in being prepared. Now, some say gov't raids for your guns are unlikely, others say they're just around the bend. Either way, I want to be prepared.

So what does it hurt to discuss it, just to be prepared?

Wes
 
brownie0486, I wish with all my heart and soul that I didn't have to be this nervous about my Goverment and its actions. I love my country, thru and thru and I know that the FedGov is made up of regular people just like you and me. The problem is that that entity that is made up of just folks who are part of a souless machine. Do you think that the FedGov cares one whit whether you live or die? It has become a living, breathing creature that is trying to assert more and more control over all of our everyday lives. That creature will do ANYTHING to remain in existence. I don't hate the people in the FedGov, I fear the power that they wield in our names. I fear their "good intentions". I fear their supposed need to improve the "public" safety at the expense of my own and my families safety. I wish that they would stay in the background of our lives, not making pronouncements and mandates and then threatening the states that don't jump on the bandwagon. The FedGovs power is like an steel hand in a velvet glove, except the glove is more becoming tattered and torn as they try to retain control. I want the glove stripped off now so that we can ALL see the way the world works. I don't want to contemplate giving up my comfortable life and all the rewards that I recieve as an American citizen, but I must. I am the last person who would bash this country, but in my opinion there is a huge difference between the FedGov and the country we all should love. The bottom line is that my Goverment fears me because I am a gun owner. A Goverment that fears its own citizens because they feel the need to keep their arms to defend themselves, is a Goverment that must be corrected by its citizens. I apologize for being so long-winded on this subject but I just want folks to think about the future and what their actions should be. Thanks for listening...


Michael in Sandy, Oregon/Owner of IronWolf Industries
 
Thanks HBK, I appreciate it. What is sad and terrible is that we even have to contemplate discussions like this. It truly sucks and I wish things were different.


Michael in Sandy, Oregon/Owner of IronWolf Industries
 
In the months following 9/11 I would have agreed 100% with you IRONFIST. I thought the 'round em up' day was getting closer and closer. Last year or so, I dunno, the JBT factor of the government has decreased ever so slightly. More states go shall issue, some (alaska) even go vermont carry. People are giving short shrift to the foaming at the mouth fools at VPC and brady campaign. The next few years may get pretty violent due to the gapeing schism between middle america and liberal-land, but I'm not as worried about JBT's knocking in my door to confiscate my 'evil babykilling laser-guided sniper assault saturday night black rifle'

atek3
 
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