What's happening with Glock??

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Since Glock is strictly "autoloader" I guess this should be posted here. Move it if this is not the correct forum.

Always reading about potential, future purchases. Always have admired Glock for it durability and dependability.

Have noticed some real problems with Glocks lately. Checking out Glocktalk.com you can find numerous, serious issues. Do a search for "broke" and spend an hour or so.

Is the Glock of yesteryear gone? Broken rails? Kb experiences beyond what I had imagined(check the poll)? Poor CS? FTF etc.

I stayed away from Glock because I prefer a manual safety. I train with a manual safety and that is what I like. But I have considered one for home defense, not ccw.

I think I will wait. Some Glocksters are really getting irritated with the company and their products.

http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=128657

What say you?
 
You get a skewed view of Glocks on some of the forums, including Glock Talk.

Lots of people (including myself) only seem to post there if they are having specific problems and want advice.

Like all other man made things, Glocks can have problems too.
 
I have owned several and wound up selling them for one reason or another.

All of the ones I have had worked. I just can't seem to get used to the "spongy" trigger.

As was posted earlier, it is man made and sometimes things get through Q.C. that shouldn't.

I had a G30 that came under the frame rail "update". After learning of the long wait times from Glock, I swapped it for a
GP-100.

I think Glock is begining to believe thier own advertising.

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Snowshoe
 
Really not many people reporting problems.
Glocks still have the best track record for reliability and longevity of any gun out there. Including my beloved 1911's.

Someone was whining about the plastic sights.
Well duhhhhhhh, they have always had them, so put some night sights on it and hush. :D
 
Speaking as a card-carrying Glock hater, who will never own one:

Sig frames crack; avoid Sig.
CZ extractors stick; avoid CZ.
Berettas break lugs and send slides flying into your face; avoid Beretta.
Glocks explode; avoid Glocks.
Colts all need gunsmithing to work; avoid Colt.

See the trend? Glock may turn out, say, 6 bad guns every 100,000, and 4 of them have the same problem, so a trend gets noticed. They're not alone, nor are they perfect. If you want one, go for it with no reservations about quality, safety, or reliability, as they are clearly on the short list for any of those qualities. I'd suggest that the only reasons to avoid them are the ones I'm going with: Subjective ones, like poor ergonomics, etc.

Steve
 
I have 3000+ rounds through a refurb G19 -- not one problem. Ugly as sin? Yes. But if the SHTF the Glock's coming out of the safe before my P7M8.
 
OK, fine there is no shortage of posts concerning Glock's most recent problem. However, if you examine these posts, you see a whole lot of whining, but very few instances where the frame rails have actually broken. Posts on serial number ranges abound. So much so that the board administrator has confined all posts concerning serial number ranges to just a few threads. A whole lot of people are hopping mad because their guns are within the affected ranges and Glock is putting LE contracts first. In practically all the posts that I've read on the subject, complaints have centered around getting affected frames replaced even though the guns appear to be functioning just fine. I've read some instances where owners were told that if there is a problem, it will manifest itself in the first 400 or so round (I don't know if it's true or not). Now, I don't own any Glocks in these serial number ranges, all mine are either very old or very new. Go ahead and get one. Shoot the crap out of it and if you have a problem, return it to Glock. I suspect you won't have any problems. If it makes you feel any better, go shopping armed with lists of serial numbers not to get. OK, that's what I have to say about the "non-recall."

As far as the other issues, they're not real issues to me. I've always tossed the sights on new Glocks in favor of Meps (I pick them up better than the factory sights), although if Meps aren't available the factory plastic works just fine. Pre-ban followers, I don't know anything about them being discontinued, but I suspect the LE followers would do just fine and should be legal (the mag body is regulated, not the internals and you are NOT increasing the capacity of the magazine). Fingergrooves? No, I don't like them and they don't fit me perfectly, but fingergrooves are in fashion now just like checkering on the front and backstraps. You just have to live with it or go with something else if you find it intolerable.

LEO discounts? Both my dealer and a LEO tell me that the LE price for Glocks are $434 (this will vary from dealer to dealer is a private sale, BTW). My price from the same dealer? $454. Hell, I'm not going to argue over $20. Now, if you are talking about an agency, then yes, they give one heck of a deal. A local PD was getting Berettas for under $300, so Glock would have to compete with that or lose the contract. You either sell several hundred to several thousand guns for less profit or you don't sell any. What's your choice? Everything I've seen about the fabled Glock 37 has been heresay.
 
Sorry Humble,
I don't take much stock from a thread about weapons problems.
People love to find reasons to whine about a particular gun and/or their customer service.
Sure some frames have had problems, but every gun has problems. My Delta's have had frame problems, not mine but the ilk.

There are legitimate problems with some Glocks, but in that same thread you had people whining about magazine followers, plastic sights and other minor issues.
We are currently running 1000+ officers through training with G22's and having no problems.
I have carried the same Glock for 12 years, without a single malfunction, so I don't really care what the complaints are at Glock Talk.
I have four Glocks, G17, 20, 27 and 29. At least 20,000 rounds through them combined with no malfunctions in any of them.

Sorry if I offended you, but I just don't put much stock in the complaints on the internet about specific weapons, even if the website is geared to praise them.
 
I'll become concerned when I read about problems over the internet, but it will likely not affect my purchase. I'll likely run out and try to induce the malfunction I read about. My first centerfire auto was a Colt .45 Government Model. Made in the early 80s, when everybody was complaining about Colts only being reliable with ball ammo. I bought one anyway. Well, I've shot over 8000 rounds through this gun (most ball ammo, but also several hundred rounds of CCI-Speer 200 grain "flying ashtrays") without a single hiccup. And this was with factory magazines.
 
Hey, DeltaElite, you didn't offend me in the least.

Glad you have had such good experiences with Glock. The whole idea of the post was to get a perspective from Glock of the 80's to Glock of '03.

Thanks for the comments.
 
Funny, even after selling off 4 diff't Glocks, blowing up a 21 and this PR nightmare re: the frame rails, I still couldn't stay away. Somehow, I just had to have a Glock in the collection.
But I guess I'm more of a closet Glock fan :banghead:
 
I resemble the referenced thread- I started it...

If you'll note there is actually no bashing of the weapon itself or a suggestion of a decline in quality of the gun. My complaints were all directed at the companies relations with it's consumers on numerous issues (well except the 19 cent front sight on a $500 gun, sorry for whining Delta ;) )

More and more I feel sorta like Mike Irwin, a guy who likes the guns but hates the company who now makes them.

PS, you also see in the thread why you need a little thicker skin to mess around GT than here;)
 
The question still remains.

Blueduck got me thinking but I didn't even want to continue the query on GT. Get a lot of "darkside" BS and other silliness.

Sometimes I wish all these gun boards would have a "For Adults Only" section.

Interesting how the threads morph. This is not about Glock bashing so please, no need to be defensive.

The question still remains; Is the product produced today equal in quality to the earlier versions? and, Has the customer service gone south, so to speak?
 
Well you may have heard all you wish from Blueduck ;) but I'll chime in with MHO in better detail on your very different questions.

Is the product produced today equal in quality to the earlier versions? I don't think quality has dropped. When you hear a guns going downhill it's usually because of one or two things. Cost cutting by less handfitting or just not keeping tolerences as tight as they once did. The Glock design is such that these two factors are basically a moot point, not an issue. It's not held to tight tolerences, never was, doesn't need to be. Second thing that happens is you see a lot of new and "cheaper" parts being used (MIM, plastic in high stress area's etc..) To my knowledge Glock has not made any signifficant part changes recently. I see nothing to suggest the frame rail deal was more than a fluke. I think it's still a great gun and still one of the very best shots at buying a gun "off the rack" that works every time.

Has the customer service gone south, so to speak? Whole different story. Customer service used to be fantastic (from experience). Current customer service seems to draw A LOT of complaints on a lot of fronts. I'd bet if you survey enough post you'll definitly see a decline. Has it become worse than Sig or HK, which have genereally been considered "cold" from day one:confused: don't know...
 
Blueduck,
Who me? hehe Sorry, I was being a grump.
Honestly, I have never had to use Glock customer service, I have never had any problems. I too prefer metal sights, I put night sights on my Glocks.

Humble,
You want "Adults" on the internet? hehe I hope to have adults as co-workers someday, but I aint gonna hold my breath.

Due to how Glocks are made, pretty much by computer, I don't see how quality can change all that much.
Get one, you will be pleased, but don't expect it to be like a Colt Gold Cup, because it aint. It is a Glock and that means it is a good reliable weapon.
 
"Due to how Glocks are made, pretty much by computer, I don't see how quality can change all that much."

I know what you mean, but...Garbage In, Garbage Out. ;)

I work with precision-machined components that roll off a state-of-the-art, 7 million dollar, 100% robotic CNC machining cell. It's a wonder to behold. But I still have to break out the file, sand paper, and hammer (my favorite) on occasion to get things to work "as designed". Not officially part of the production process, but still a reality of life for maintaining quality and functionality.

CNC ain't all it's cracked up to be (by some people). A machine is only as good as it's operator.

I have no opinion on Glock's current QC or CS trends.
 
I just had my local FFL shop put a so-called "affected" G34 in the back for me until I can get the correct paper work around.

I guarantee it'll be fine weapon. ;)
 
Stephen Ewing: I am new here too, and you are a few posts my senior.

Regarding your detailed "broken down" list, I wonder which manufacturer you go with?

RE: Glocks, I used to own the #21 and #22 (9mm and 40sw). Sold them both, hated 'em. BUT, my gunsmith raved about them and said 200,000 rounds are possible thru 'em. Lots of folks LOVE Glocks. I really don't know why. Lack of real safety locks and square barrel shape turned me off completely. Shoots OK tho but, here out on the range no one has one.

Re: Beretta comments: I take somewhat a different look at these guns than you do. I chose to go with M-9 military version 15 shot/clip and the Border Marshall 40 cal. Both are proven military weapons and absolutely love the grips, safetys, and heavy feel when rapid firing at MOVING targets. The BM comes with night sights-helps in the moon light; and the beefed up slide has very manageable aim with little uptick! BTW the 40 cal Border Marshall is not available to the public.

So long, see you on the range!
 
Got me. I call 'em clips because in my household when I ask for a "Magazine" that is usually what I get. Most often I am given Cabellos. LOL.

You bet I won't make that mistake again here on the range.
 
Not wishing to whine or anything, but my beloved G36 has had jamming problems lately. Methinks, however, that they are caused by my own aftermarket zeal. I installed an extended slide stop lever and have had nothing but trouble ever since. First, it was to long and had to be custom fitted to the gun. Now, I think I'm hitting it when I fire the gun!! I'm just gunna go to Glockmeister and get the stock part again!! If the problem continues, then you'll hear me whine!!

My G29, however, comes from the first batch ever made. It works fine, so there might be something to this QC argument!!
 
Although I found your 1st "post" in this "tread" a bit "brow raising" rearview... I'm glad you took my "poking" at you as it was intended, in good heart that is. :D
 
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