Which would you rather carry?

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Polar Express said:
Gents, the OP asked a question, and in his question, he clarified that the 1911 design was not in consideration.

I checked out this thread, as I am going down a very similar line of questions myself... but a question I have for the OP, is "what are the reasons you have eliminated the 1911?"

I'm NOT trying to change your mind, as I've already decided I'll likely be leaving the 1911 platform behind for CC, (for a few reasons) but I'm curious as to YOUR reasons for eliminating that platform.

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I wanted to leave out the 1911 because while it is a single stack, it also has the ability to be more of a full size gun with the models that have barrels 4 inches and longer.

I wanted to see what people preferred between subcompact 9mm's or 45's because the capacity count is pretty similar, but the bullet size, gun size/weight, and recoil are not.

Perhaps I didn't word it well.
 
Whichever one you can put fast accurate follow up shots on target. Caliber doesn't matter if you can't put fast accurate shots on target. Couple drills you can evaluate are Dot Torture test and the FAST drill.
 
The 9mm because it'll be physically smaller and it and the ammo will be lighter, both very good things for a CCW gun.
 
Carry what you are proficient with.

Most people don't take the time to become proficient. So the capacity difference (especially 1-2 rounds) is not even debatable. I would even debate the proficiency of most folks to get a reload off in a heated situation. Myself included and I shoot a lot.

Probably why I opt for 15 round 9mm 90% of the time and no second mag.

Don't get me wrong, I love the vulnerable .45 round and it is stellar at what it does. What IT does, not what I do.

I am spending a lot more time lately focusing on what I do than what the gun is capable of. Cause to be honest most of my guns easily outshoot me.
 
Creature, the real differentiator in that picture is wound cavity not penetration. Wound cavity wil always be bigger with the other rounds there. That is where 9mm does fall down a bit. Especially if you consider most of the 9mm ammo being bought by the public is. 115 gr.

However, your point (if you are using the heavier 9mm ammo) is that they are pretty close and that is very true.
 
I think both are adequate. I also think gel tests leave out to many variables. I only use gel test to see what the expanded projectile looks like. I guess there valid if there is ever a gel block invasion.

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Which would you rather carry?

6+1 of .45 ACP or 7+1 of 9mm?
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How about 7 + 7 + 1 of .45ACP?

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Most of the single stack .45's I see don't have much for extended magazines and if they are available, they'll add 1 rd to the gun...
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I have some Chip McCormick 10-rd magazines that fit and function in both my Springfield 5" and the Kimber 3" pictured above. That's adding 3 rds to the gun. That's the best I can do, what with residing in California.
 
Creature, the real differentiator in that picture is wound cavity not penetration. Wound cavity wil always be bigger with the other rounds there. That is where 9mm does fall down a bit. Especially if you consider most of the 9mm ammo being bought by the public is. 115 gr.
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You may be surprised to learn that, from a medical perspective, discerning between wound tracks caused by 9mm, .40, and .45 is almost impossible as they all are nearly identical.
 
I thought that way too...until I participated in multiple-threat training scenarios. They were very enlightening.
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That's why my First Cousin, Milton Wiley Humphrey, invented indirect fire artillery.*


* At the Battle of Fayetteville, Fayetteville, WV, May 19-20, 1863.
 
Pokajabba said:
would you rather CC a single stack 9mm or .45 ACP that's not a 1911.
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Why are we posting 1911s when the OP specified no 1911? :confused:

While I like 5" 1911s, IMO, when it comes to compact/subcompact 45 pistols, it's hard to beat polymer pistols for reliability of feeding/chambering JHP ammunition. ;)
Which would you rather carry?

6+1 of .45 ACP or 7+1 of 9mm?
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I switched from G26 to G27 (with +1 Pearce mag base) for same 10+1 capacity and I consider same capacity in 40S&W a step up in performance. I also have 10+1 option with Taurus PT145 SA/DA which has shorter slide length and comparable grip length to G19/G23. Slide thickness is slightly wider than single stack 45 to be considered especially with 10+1 capacity advantage. BTW, PT145 has been a reliable pistol that even feeds/chambers sloppy reloads.
Creature said:
Modern 9mm JHP is virtually as effective as 45ACP JHP. For me the choice is plainly obvious.
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While penetration in gelatin is comparable, personally I prefer the larger size of stretch cavities of 40S&W and 45ACP rounds over 9mm.

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Well not everyone has a huge beer gut between the bullet and vital organs. Every situation is different. If all I could afford to carry is a 22 that would be fine. Then again, I don't prowl dark alleys in bad sections of town.
 
I have a G36 which is 6+1. I have carried it with HST 230gr and I also have a Walther PPS M2 and a PC Shield.
I will carry either 9mm 99% of the time because of the weight
I do have a +1 for the G36 and a +1 for the Shield but I don't have the confidence in them as of yet compared to the OEM mags
 
You may be surprised to learn that, from a medical perspective, discerning between wound tracks caused by 9mm, .40, and .45 is almost impossible as they all are nearly identical.
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Agreed, Creature on tracks. It's the internal cavitation and shock trauma that the larger bullets tend to create. I read a really good article about this recently. However, to your original point modern ammo really has narrowed that gap to the point of negligibility.

For me that is why I carry 9mm mostly in a 13+ round mag. I prefer the additional capacity with good ammo. I am now more than ever convinced that the likelihood of a multi-bad guy situation is much more likely.
 
My carry guns are a Shield 9mm, Sphinx SDP Compact 9mm, Beretta PX-4 .40, MP Compact .45, and a Ruger KLCR .357 Magnum.

They all seem to be fine carry guns to me.

I'm not really sure I added anything to this thread, sorry.
 
shovel66 said:
I currently carry the XDs .45 with the 5 round magazine in a smart carry holster with a spare 7rd magazine in the holsters 2nd pocket. Works well for me. I've also carried two 9mm single stacks, but prefer the .45.
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You like it, I assume? How is the recoil? I'm considering the 3.8" model with the 9 round magazine.
 
I've given this one a lot of thought and nearly went for SAI XD-s in .45ACP. After some testing, I decided that the additional 1/3" of width with my XDsc Mod. 2 in .45 ACP with 9+1 was the best choice for me and a 13 round additional mag either on my belt or in my pocket.

God willing, I'll never use it for anything but training.

Harry
 
My 6+1 .45acp Kahr P45 is one of my favorites.
My 6+1 Kahr PM9 is another.
I don't have a 7+1 9mm, so I don't have that option.

I'm happy with either of the above. The PM9 is a bit smaller, so it gets more carry time.
If the PM9 had another round (and consequently they were closer to the same size) I'd go with the P45.
 
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