Why can't this be made
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The H&K P7 would indeed be the perfect answer if the OP wasn't set on a polymer frame. It is also the perfect ambidextrous pistol
chris in va
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The Kahr P-series has a shorter 3/8" trigger pull. It's far from a long DA pull.
JoePfeiffer
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My Nano's only safety is a completely unobtrusive trigger safety. It's striker-fired, so while the trigger isn't anywhere near as nice as my Sig 226 in SA, it also isn't nearly as bad as an LCP.
jigglyjames29
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DB guns are just terrible altogether.
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As previously pointed out the gun you describe is the PPS. I really am a bit curious about why folks went gaga for the release of the shield, or still clamor endlessly for a single stack glock, given the existence of the PPS. It is the single stack glock people want. Walther is making some very good guns right now that simply don't get the press or chatter they deserve. If you can't live with the shield's safety or the Kahrs trigger the PPS is the logical choice. If they were marketed better there would be a lot of folks with PPQs and PPSs.
The PPS isn't making news much because none of the paid propaganda writers like the style. It's tall from the trigger to sight line, the rail chops up the look of the dust shield, the scallop on the front of the slide dimishes the look of it projecting force. In terms of being gun art, it's not well balanced. It's as if the special long barrel extension to turn it into a rifle is missing.
A short light trigger on a striker fired gun isn't a good combination - made obvious by the lack of them on the market. To get a short light trigger, the makers install a safety for liability reasons, even if it's against the markets wishes. And like was said, if you don't want to carry it that way, carry off safe.
Now, ask how many do that - striker or hammer, who carries a short single action trigger off safe? 1911? SIG P938? Lots more examples, but it goes back to what striker fired guns have the pin at full cock at all? It is not considered safe. Even the P7 isn't carried that way, and a lot of the newer small hammer fired guns finish the cocking action on the trigger pull - because it's safer.
That is something that has been going on for over 100 years - there are no light SA triggers on the market with no safety. There's a reason for that.
A short light trigger on a striker fired gun isn't a good combination - made obvious by the lack of them on the market. To get a short light trigger, the makers install a safety for liability reasons, even if it's against the markets wishes. And like was said, if you don't want to carry it that way, carry off safe.
Now, ask how many do that - striker or hammer, who carries a short single action trigger off safe? 1911? SIG P938? Lots more examples, but it goes back to what striker fired guns have the pin at full cock at all? It is not considered safe. Even the P7 isn't carried that way, and a lot of the newer small hammer fired guns finish the cocking action on the trigger pull - because it's safer.
That is something that has been going on for over 100 years - there are no light SA triggers on the market with no safety. There's a reason for that.
mesinge2
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I really want that R51
The makers are worried about lawsuits over unintentional shootings. DA revolvers have been fired (DA) without intent. When things are tense/lethal, most people's fingers WILL be inside of the trigger guard, and on go button. Something scares them ,and the people they were pointing the gun at get shot, when those people had not done anything to deserve being shot. I've pointed a gun at people twice, when they scared me. One was a kid with an "uzi" water smg who suddenly rounded a corner in Long beach, as I sat at a taco bell outside bench. My officer's acp caught under the table, then I saw the water dripping and reholstered. Nobody noticed! 
Another time, some16 year old kid told me that he was pulling a gun out from under the passenger seat of his car, for me to check it out. I stood just outside of his open door. He suddenly whippled his hand across at me and said "ba" . Never finished the "ng" cause my 1911 was pointed at him. You don't remember reaching for such draws. The gun feels like it grows out of your wrist. you need it, and there it is.
Another time, some16 year old kid told me that he was pulling a gun out from under the passenger seat of his car, for me to check it out. I stood just outside of his open door. He suddenly whippled his hand across at me and said "ba" . Never finished the "ng" cause my 1911 was pointed at him. You don't remember reaching for such draws. The gun feels like it grows out of your wrist. you need it, and there it is.
VA27
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The P7 striker is at rest until the gun is in hand and the front strap squeezed by gripping it with about 3lbs of pressure.
I agree 100% that it's not a good-looking gun. Then again, it's exactly what I'd expect from a German manufacturer making a product for the German police force. Efficiency and practicality over styling every time. And it's not like Glocks are styling masterpieces either...
The PPS is nearly identical in size to the Shield, so you aren't gaining any size advantage with the G42.
stogiegila
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Hmmm perhaps I need to do more research on the PPS. No it won't win any beauty contests and does look a bit top heavy
Good luck finding a P7. I always thought that squeeze handle was weird bit I never had a chance to handle one
Good luck finding a P7. I always thought that squeeze handle was weird bit I never had a chance to handle one
Phaedrus/69
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The Walther would be a good choice. The OP also described the Nano to a T.
stogiegila
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Checked out the Nano and didn't care for it at all. I've also read about issues it has with 115 gr ammo. So no thanks with that one
IMO a lot of the smaller nines have problems reliably firing the full range of 9mm ammo - from 115gr to 147gr, I know there are cartridges with lighter and heavier bullet loadings, but 115-147 encompasses the most common loadings.
The DB9 was basically built to fire 115-124gr std pressure bullets, the Solo was built to fire 124gr and heavier. The Rohrbaugh R9 seems to like 124gr loadings. Although my R9 fires 147gr flawlessly, I did read about a guy having trouble with 115gr rounds the other day.
I think when you go to get a pocket nine you have to take that into consideration. Do you have your heart set on 105gr Guard Dog? Or you want a pocket gun that will fire that new G2 RIP ? Well maybe the Kimber Solo is not the gun for that since it operates best with 124gr bullets or heavier. You have your heart set on 147gr bonded Golden Sabres for your 9mm SD round of choice? Well maybe the Diamond Back DB9 is not the gun for that since it operates best with 115gr to 124gr bullets.
Probably the least finicky of the pocket pistols is the Kahr CM9/PM9. But it seems that those guns don't have the trigger you're looking for.
If you go bigger - the Glock 26 shoots everything reliably from 105gr Federal Guard Dog to Underwood 147gr +P+
Some people swear the Glock 26 is indeed a pocket pistol and they post pics of themselves with a G26 in their pocket...
The DB9 was basically built to fire 115-124gr std pressure bullets, the Solo was built to fire 124gr and heavier. The Rohrbaugh R9 seems to like 124gr loadings. Although my R9 fires 147gr flawlessly, I did read about a guy having trouble with 115gr rounds the other day.
I think when you go to get a pocket nine you have to take that into consideration. Do you have your heart set on 105gr Guard Dog? Or you want a pocket gun that will fire that new G2 RIP ? Well maybe the Kimber Solo is not the gun for that since it operates best with 124gr bullets or heavier. You have your heart set on 147gr bonded Golden Sabres for your 9mm SD round of choice? Well maybe the Diamond Back DB9 is not the gun for that since it operates best with 115gr to 124gr bullets.
Probably the least finicky of the pocket pistols is the Kahr CM9/PM9. But it seems that those guns don't have the trigger you're looking for.
If you go bigger - the Glock 26 shoots everything reliably from 105gr Federal Guard Dog to Underwood 147gr +P+
Some people swear the Glock 26 is indeed a pocket pistol and they post pics of themselves with a G26 in their pocket...
FAS1
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Not exactly what you want and might be over your budget. Have you looked at the Boberg?
stogiegila
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Nope never even heard of
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Boberg costs nearly $1,400 and has a long-pull DAO trigger. And it's hard to gauge the reliability of a boutique model like that without widespread use. I'm not seeing much of an advantage over something along the lines of the ugly-but-practical Walther PPS.
Incidentally, nearly all the shots I've seen of the Walther show it with the extended-length magazine, which makes it look a lot bigger and harder to conceal. Here it is with the flush-fitting magazine:
Incidentally, nearly all the shots I've seen of the Walther show it with the extended-length magazine, which makes it look a lot bigger and harder to conceal. Here it is with the flush-fitting magazine:
FAS1
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The Boberg actually starts at $1049 for the two tone XR9S. Handcrafted does come with a cost and the quality seems second to none for a pocket gun. It does have a DAO trigger but seems like a very nice trigger for what it is and a nice shooting gun for it's size. 7+1 should weigh into the equation as well, at least it does for me.
I would love to own one, but I have been hoping for his volume to increase enough to be able to get the cost down a little.
Here's a review by Hickok45
Boberg XR9S Review
I would love to own one, but I have been hoping for his volume to increase enough to be able to get the cost down a little.
Here's a review by Hickok45
Boberg XR9S Review
stogiegila
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Boberg sounds a bit too radical for my liking and I won't order a $1300 gun without getting my hands on one first. Hickcock indicated that it is also ammo sensitive but he didn't have any problems in the video.
I'm looking around my LGS to see if any of them have the Walther PPS. I have yet to see one. Dimensionally it falls into an acceptable range although it would be the biggest one:
Walther PPS
Length: 6.3"
Width: 0.9"
Height: 4.4"
Kahr CM9
Length: 5.4"
Width: 0.9:
Height: 4.0"
Glock 26
Length: 6.29"
Width: 1.18"
Height: 4.17"
I'm looking around my LGS to see if any of them have the Walther PPS. I have yet to see one. Dimensionally it falls into an acceptable range although it would be the biggest one:
Walther PPS
Length: 6.3"
Width: 0.9"
Height: 4.4"
Kahr CM9
Length: 5.4"
Width: 0.9:
Height: 4.0"
Glock 26
Length: 6.29"
Width: 1.18"
Height: 4.17"
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