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As far as magazines, perhaps a design similar to the PS-90, perhaps molded into a housing that replaces a traditional forend.
Why don't we have a lever action 9mm?
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That would truly be an abomination. I would buy one if it was in 40 Cal and took my M&P mags though.
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OK, I've figured it out. Magazine should be a true 2 position feed enbloc ala M1 Garand. I think one could get up to 10 or 12 rounds without being too potbellied, get the satisfying ping when jacking back the lever on the last round, and ammo companies would love it.
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I wish you all all the riches in the world but I sure do hope you guys never get a job designing guns for winchester or browning.... or henry.... or marlin. Maybe keltec. Or mossberg, they sure can make an ugly gun.
If we are going that far out, let's get a belt fed lever action 9mm. Then have Silvester Stallone dress up like John Wayne and we have the perfect marketing pitch.
Someone has to come up with crazy ideas so people can refine them into something good. I'm sorry keltec forgot the refining part. They do sell pretty well though.
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If a lever gun had needed a glock mag, John by god Browning would have designed the glock mag and put it there. It would be the Browning mag.
The p90/ps90 mag is awesome though. My first thought was "no way that can be reliable" but I was proven wrong.
The p90/ps90 mag is awesome though. My first thought was "no way that can be reliable" but I was proven wrong.
Browning was a genius. Imagine if he was alive with the technology were have today.
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This will probably generate a lot of hate but I have yet to purchase any firearm in 9mm. I just cannot understand the "why". So far when going into a gunshop to purchase a 9mm I have come home with 2 Browning Buckmarks, 2 .45 1911 clones, 1 40 S&W, 1 Ruger LCR (Little Crappy Revolver, which I really fell in love with) in 38 Special, and even a .380 Sig which still haves me scratching my head except that it fits nicely in my coat pocket..... I do own several revolvers in .357 mag as well as a Marlin 1893 carbine in .357 mag which will shoot the eyes out of a prairie dog at 100 yards so I cannot understand the attraction of the 9mm round in a long barrelled firearm. It does not have the case capacity to be effective in anything other than the pistols it was designed for.. Enlighten me please, other than the ammo is cheap. I reload so the price of ammo is not a big deal for me.
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The appeal to me is that I have a huge supply of 9mm brass and bullets and I have several 9mm pistols that I shoot a lot, as well as a 9mm AR carbine that I also shoot a lot. When I go to shoot I grab 1 or 2 or 3 9mm pistols and my 9mm carbine and a hundred rounds of ammo and walk out to my home range and shoot. One ammo to feed them all. Would be nice to add a lever action to that list. I don't have any particular affinity to 9mm, its just logistically the easiest round to feed.
I am still waiting for a bolt action 9mm. Yes, there was a guy offering them. I wrote to him and he no longer makes them. The reason that he gave is that they are based on the RIA 22tcm bolt action. However, as the supply for them has dried up, he can no longer make the rifles.
LiveLife
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For lever action, I like the slim look and handling. I think jmorris' helical magazine like Calico would be better. Imagine the velocity with 9mm Major loads, 124 gr bullets exiting the barrel around 1600 fps.
Especially 100 round magazine with binary trigger.Now your talking. Except use the heilcal 100 round Calico 9mm mags, if for no other reason than to make a liberal have high blood pressure.
BlueHeelerFl
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A 9mm fired from a carbine will give you greater velocity. For a 16" barrel you get about 100 to 200 f/s more velocity.
And not everyone is able to reload so inexpensive ammo is a plus
P5 Guy
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Lever rifle in .30Carbine?
Charlie98
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I was completely out of the 9mm business for many years, and really had no use for it. That did change, however, with my CHL... a pistol the size of my .380 with reasonable SD power in a lightweight package. Still, though, the only 9mm's I own are my SD pistols... all Kahrs. The idea of a small carbine in 9mm has it's advantages, much like the M1 Carbine, or even my brother's Winchester Trapper in .45 Colt. They are very handy, very fun to shoot, and the added performance is nice (vs the same cartridge out of a pistol.)
I have a bunch of .45ACP... but I would still never buy a lever-action in .45ACP. Flipping it on it's head, I have a bunch of .348WCF brass and bullets... I don't expect to ever see an AR in .348... nor would I want one. Comparing apples to apples... the .41MAG and the 10mm... I would buy a lever-action in .41 (I have one) but not 10mm, and, vice versa, I would buy an autoloading carbine in 10mm, but not .41MAG; likewise, I would buy a 1911 in .38 Super, and a revolver in .38SPC.
I've always considered revolvers chambered in 9mm a dumb idea as well... I was proven wrong on that by a friend of mine with his S&W revolver and moon clips... so maybe I'm all wet on the idea of a lever-action 9mm. Meh, this is America... build it and they will most likely come.
For lever action, I like the slim look and handling. I think jmorris' helical magazine like Calico would be better. Imagine the velocity with 9mm Major loads, 124 gr bullets exiting the barrel around 1600 fps.
Especially 100 round magazine with binary trigger.
For me I would be back to 32-20 with a 30 carbine. High price of ammo so I would have to reload.
A black hawk in 30 carbine paired with a 92 would be cool though. Just like a 32-20.
The 9mm for me is primarily the short cartridge equates more rounds in the same length tube. A Remington pump would even work for me.
It's just wanting a fun range toy that is cheap and not semiautomatic for when friends come over.
Charlie98
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Now... that's an idea!!!
Elkins45
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Do you fire the first shot by delicately pinching both sides of the trigger? If you pull it normally that roller is going to squish it pretty good when it comes flying back.
I wonder if Remington ever regrets discontinuing the 7615? Seems like they would sell them pretty well in ban states.
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That is a drawing of a Winchester Model 1873 that Browning adapted to semi-auto fire. He called the thing under the muzzle a 'flapper'. When the gun fired, muzzle gasses moved the flapper to work the action. There are no photographs existing of this adaptation, only a couple of drawings. It was never meant to be a production item. Browning had noticed when trapshooting that tall grass nearby was being moved by the gasses escaping the muzzle. So he rigged up this thing. It eventually led to the development of his A5 semi-auto shotgun in 1903.
Regarding rounds being fired in the magazine by the magazine spring: I can tell you for a fact it has happened in replicas of the 1860 Henry when somebody allowed the spring loaded follower to slip out of their hand and slam into the column of cartridges in the magazine. This is well documented on the SASS Wire. That is why I am always extra careful not to allow the tab of the follower to slip out of my hands when loading my Henry. Knock on wood.
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Driftwood Johnson
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It was purely experimental. Here is a copy of the drawing from the biography of John M Browning, by his son, also named John Browning. The string, or rod, or whatever it was connected the flapper to a lever taking the place of the normal lever. You can see the connection of the rod to the lever at the bottom of the lever. To fire it the shooter would place his finger on the trigger above the bottom of the lever. Again, it was purely experimental and only meant to prove the concept that the gasses from a cartridge firing could operate the mechanism of a rifle.
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I regret never getting one back in the day. I really liked the concept.
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