Why Only Semi's for Carry??

[Vern Humphrey]

When I carry a revolver for self-defense, it's a Colt Detective Special. I have, however, been known to carry a Colt New Service in .45 Colt. On my first tour in Viet Nam, I carried a Colt M357 (same gun as the Python, but without the cosmetics.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Single actions can be viable, given practice...

 

[Kleanbore]

Single actions can be viable, given practice...

They can be great shooters, but the Model P is not very suitable for pocket carry, which is the topic at hand.

The gun is big, it is not drop safe unless the hammer is on an empty chamber, lowering the hammer safely under stress is tedious, and the light SA trigger introduces risks. You probably know all of that.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

They can be great shooters, but the Model P is not very suitable for pocket carry, which is the topic at hand.

The gun is big, it is not drop safe unless the hammer is on an empty chamber, lowering the hammer safely under stress is tedious, and the light SA trigger introduces risks. You probably know all of that.

Yup. I do.

 

[GEM]

Viable in a less intense incident and optimal for a range of incident intensities are not the same thing. A NAA Mini 22S 5 shot revolver has saved the day for some folks if you read reports. Is it optimal - no.

Also, how many train with an SAA in realistic scenarios of varying intensity as compared to the square range? The best folks in SAA times probably did, do folks now?

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Viable in a less intense incident and optimal for a range of incident intensities are not the same thing. A NAA Mini 22S 5 shot revolver has saved the day for some folks if you read reports. Is it optimal - no.

Also, how many train with an SAA in realistic scenarios of varying intensity as compared to the square range? The best folks in SAA times probably did, do folks now?

The only individual I know who actually carries a SAA *does*. Force on Force training, etc.

 

[trackskippy]

The only individual I know who actually carries a SAA *does*. Force on Force training, etc.

With a SAA? That would be interesting to watch.

 

[Kleanbore]

Yup. I do

Then why keep pushing the thing for people asking about a good gun for pocket carry for SD?

 

[Mr. Mosin]

With a SAA? That would be interesting to watch.

It would indeed, in addition to his literal ~60 yrs of competition with it.

 

[MrChicken]

I was an instructor for ten years at a busy range some years ago. After seeing more people than I could count have physical problems with both pistols and revolvers I prayed that somebody would make a gun for them.

The S&W EZs are the pistols those folks needed. I would tell my fellow instructors we need a 1911 in .380, easy to rack and easy to shoot. S&W did far better than that idea.

 

[CDW4ME]

I recently read a story in which a jeweler defended his store with dozens of rounds from multiple guns. Does that mean that a fellow carrying only a single gun, or carrying fewer than 24 rounds, is not adequately prepared?

My philosophy:
Whatever handgun is carried in an area of greater anticipated threat (bad area) - strive to carry that everywhere. (Yes, even walking the dog in a "good area")

I don't do good vs bad area carry; I carry based on what handgun I would prefer to defend myself with, regardless of location, wherever.
For example, Would a 5 shot snub be preferred to defend myself? No it would not.
Would a Glock 19 or 22 be preferred to defend myself? Yes, that would be a preferred handgun.
What criteria makes a handgun preferred? Easy to shoot quick & accurate, speed of follow up shots, capacity and concealability are all factors.

I'm safe to assume that for some the main criteria they use to select a gun for carry is pocketability and/or convenience.
They won't say as much, what typically gets posted is statistics, averages and "good area".

 

[Mr. Mosin]

My philosophy:
Whatever handgun is carried in an area of greater anticipated threat (bad area) - strive to carry that everywhere. (Yes, even walking the dog in a "good area")

I don't do good vs bad area carry; I carry based on what handgun I would prefer to defend myself with, regardless of location, wherever.
For example, Would a 5 shot snub be preferred to defend myself? No it would not.
Would a Glock 19 or 22 be preferred to defend myself? Yes, that would be a preferred handgun.
What criteria makes a handgun preferred? Easy to shoot quick & accurate, speed of follow up shots, capacity and concealability are all factors.

I'm safe to assume that for some the main criteria they use to select a gun for carry is pocketability and/or convenience.
They won't say as much, what typically gets posted is statistics, averages and "good area".

While I do agree with you... would you rather have the Smith J frame or Ruger LCP in your pocket or waistband, or “nothing” because you got tired of lugging around a duty sized handgun ?

 

[trackskippy]

While I do agree with you... would you rather have the Smith J frame or Ruger LCP in your pocket or waistband, or “nothing” because you got tired of lugging around a duty sized handgun ?

Why would you be tired of wearing the same gun you wear every day? Youre used to it being there and its not a bother.

The J frame, LCP, etc, are back up guns. If they are along, its in that capacity.

 

[FL-NC]

Different strokes for different folks. There was a time when the 2.5" revolver was the mainstay for off duty and plain-clothes use by LE, as well as the handgun-toting civilian population. No reason someone can't continue this if they so desired. After all, the guns, ammunition, and holsters to do so are still being produced (somewhat, lol). As for me, I'm sticking with autos for my own reasons.

 

[GBExpat]

... Do you prepare assuming the worst, or do you just go with what you hope will be the average encounter according to the statistics? ...

For me, much closer to the latter than the former.

Sorry, trackskippy, not targeting or seeking to "engage with" you. Your quoted sentence just fit, y'know?

IMO ... if one is casting about seeking direction/guidance on the subject, carefully read all of the input and then develop a dynamic solution that you feel best fits your situation.

I will periodically look in on one of these Threads (at least, one that has wandered, somewhat, off the original path like this one has ... like they ALL do ), scan thru a bit and read some of the comments. I find that little of it is new to me but sometimes something new/different/interesting stands out and I will consider it further to decide whether or not to account for it in my flexible SOP.

Have fun with your discussion, guys!

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Why would you be tired of wearing the same gun you wear every day? Youre used to it being there and its not a bother.

The J frame, LCP, etc, are back up guns. If they are along, its in that capacity.

Degenerative Disc Decease

 

[Lnf Crzr]

In Summer I carry In pocket. A action job by a competent Gunsmith can result in excellent trigger pull. A combination of Reduction in springs and “Snap caps” can let a person watch tv and strengthen trigger finger with Dry fire.
A 317 S&W with 8 Hot 22lr isn’t exactly a cap gun. The 44 spl is a powerful cartridge, with correct ammo it can be mild or wild to shoot.
I’m a revolver guy- Have many for carry on belt- 357 I feel needs at least a 3” if not a 4” barrel to get steam going. Yet my Preference is a 44spl above all others. I suppose a 7shot 357 is a very close second place. However the Smaller the gun, the more difficult it is for Accuracy. So a medium frame is best in my opinion.

 

[trackskippy]

For me, much closer to the latter than the former.

Sorry, trackskippy, not targeting or seeking to "engage with" you. Your quoted sentence just fit, y'know?

IMO ... if one is casting about seeking direction/guidance on the subject, carefully read all of the input and then develop a dynamic solution that you feel best fits your situation.

I will periodically look in on one of these Threads (at least, one that has wandered, somewhat, off the original path like this one has ... like they ALL do ), scan thru a bit and read some of the comments. I find that little of it is new to me but sometimes something new/different/interesting stands out and I will consider it further to decide whether or not to account for it in my flexible SOP.

Have fun with your discussion, guys!

Hey, Ive been a fan of Bruce Lee's philosophy on things for quite a while. Absolutely learn as much as you can from as many as you can and take whats useful for you from it, and make it your own.

I would think Bruce would agree, its a good idea to train for as much as you think you "might" encounter, than just that one thing you always think you know you can win.

Degenerative Disc Decease

Lots of ways to carry a gun, if youre of a mind to.

Just something to think about too, the more you lose body and function wise, the more youre going to need a gun that will help make up for that lack of mobility and normal function. A smaller gun thats harder to shoot well with, and will require more from you in working it, isnt the choice I see making.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Ps- I feel 5-6 rounds of a revolver is plenty and very useful as a carry firearm for a Civilian and high capacity isn’t needed (Not a Leo). To each his own. I’m very Capable of accuracy…. Seen many Semi autos that can’t hit a barn door inside 15’ let alone 30’.

 

[Kleanbore]

I’m very Capable of accuracy…. Seen many Semi autos that can’t hit a barn door inside 15’ let alone 30’.

For SD, the requirement is the appropriate balance of speed and precision---think in terms of hitting the top a shoebox five or six time in a a second and a half at ten or twelve feet.

 

[Miguel Loco]

Ps- I feel 5-6 rounds of a revolver is plenty and very useful as a carry firearm for a Civilian and high capacity isn’t needed (Not a Leo). To each his own. I’m very Capable of accuracy…. Seen many Semi autos that can’t hit a barn door inside 15’ let alone 30’.View attachment 1028507

I'm with you. I've seen many semi-auto's jam as well. It's not if...it's when. But that's all a personal decision. Others have their own perception of their needs and reality. I guess I'm just not in the "pray and spray" crowd.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

For SD, the requirement is the appropriate balance of speed and precision---think in terms of hitting the top a shoebox five or six time in a a second and a half at ten or twelve feet.

Fast is Fine,But Accuracy is final - Wyatt Earp .

 

[Kleanbore]

Fast is Fine,But Accuracy is final - Wyatt Earp .

Neat cliche, but what I described is all that is needed.

 

[trackskippy]

I'm with you. I've seen many semi-auto's jam as well. It's not if...it's when. But that's all a personal decision. Others have their own perception of their needs and reality. I guess I'm just not in the "pray and spray" crowd.

Revolvers jam just like anything else, and when they do, youre generally dead in the water. They dont get fixed with a TRB. And the point with either is to be prepared for that fact and well-practiced in the remedy.

And "spray and pray" is not a function of the gun, its a function of the shooter. I might shoot quickly and accurately, but Im in no way a spray and pray shooter. I can also sustain that type of shooting about three times longer than most revolvers before I have to worry about reloading.

Fast is Fine,But Accuracy is final - Wyatt Earp .

So why not both? And you should be able to do both.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Ok