Why real BP?

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There are several chemical differences. The substitutes are essentially modern powders made to mimic the properties of black powder. Actually, they are a bit hotter than black powder. An equivalent load for substitutes such as Pyrodex is about 10% less than for black powder.

Because it is a modern propellent with the burning properties of modern smokeless powder, it can be shipped, stored and handled in the same manner as smokeless powder. Black powder, on the other hand, is classified as an explosive and requires special shipping, handling and storage requirements. That is why the substitutes are more readily available on the dealers shelves.

As for how it works in a muzzleloader, it is fine for in-line guns. They have a direct ignition path and use the hotter shotgun primers. Caplock rifles will work pretty reliably with the substitutes as well as with black powder. But as I said previously, you need to reduce the volume equivalent load by about 10% when shooting any of the substitutes. So, if you are shooting 100 grains of black powder, you will need to reset your powder measure for 90 grains for the substitute powder.

When you take up shooting a flintlock, you immediately leave behind your substitute powder and must use only real black powder. Substitute powders have a much higher ignition temperature than real black powder and will simply not ignite reliably in a flintlock. If you try to use a substitute powder in a flintlock, you will become very frustrated very quickly trying it to get it to go off. I have no problem with what anyone else chooses to pour down the barrel of their smoke pole but as for me, I use only the Holy Black. Just my opinion. It's free and worth every damn penny of it.
 
Weather report tell's me it feel's like -2 degrees out there right now and it's still early in the evening. The snow and ice has been whipping around out there for sure ever since 0400hrs this morning, and I mean bad. Can't see 20 feet out there and I am really snowed and drifted in. BUT they say it should get up to around 45 degrees tomorrow. I guess this is the storm blowing on through that has been niggling around here for the last three days or so. Sometimes I think I must be a little crazy. I don't know why the hell I'm up here when I could have this thing parked in my sister's yard down in Alabama or in my friends yard in south Louisiana. Probably 85 degrees down there right now. I don't want to check. I might start crying!!....
 
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Billinpatti, enjoyed your post very much. I already knew and understood what you said but I still enjoyed your post....PS ..They say reduce Triple Seven loads by 15% but hell, I had my loads worked out years ago....
 
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LOL I don't envy your current weather conditions... but, I sure do like the sound of having elbow room and game nearby !! Keep the nose of that truck into the wind now. :D Lots of fresh coffee beans is a GOOD thing in that weather !
 
Afternoon Mr. RatDog. Yeah, I wouldn't really leave here unless I was heading for even more open spaces. I'm nice and warm. Propane is a wonderful thing and I'vd got a fresh cup of coffee setting right here with me! Hope you're having a good day man. I'm doing alright except that I'm going to shut down the generator I have running after awhile here and give it a rest. I'm going to unplug the trailer's power supply cord from it and just set it just inside the door here to keep it sort of warm. I don't use or need much 120 volt electrical power anyway. I have these deep cycle batteries to and they run my XM radio and the 12 volt lights and all. I have a power invertor hooked up to them and in an emergency I can run my computer and tv (which I don't hardly ever turn on anyway. I'm not a tv nut) and stuff off of them but probably not for very long. My heat and cooking and some of my lights can come right off the propane. Well anyway I'm set up pretty good I reckon. I have good back-ups and all....
 
GOTC I would much rather be in your cool temperatures than 85. I cannot stand the heat. At 70 I can soak a tee shirt in 10 min. At 60 I am still sweating and warm. I am very comfortable around 50-55 in a tee shirt. I have not heated my bedroom in 10 years and leave the window open most of the winter except when it is blowing snow. My wife however is bundles up in 6 or 7 layers. She is very understanding and i am lucky to have her as she also doesn't object to my guns.
 
BP and martini brass

BHP I just found a 32 page article on making 577-450 brass out of 24 ga brass.I had tried it before but it takes 30-60 mini-strokes to make the casings so they don't buckle or deform badly.This would be cheaper than buffalo arms at over 3.00 almost 4.00 for small orders. This would have my 1882 short lever in heaven.
Don't sell yourself short,I want to check out that Sharps perc you just aquired!! Going to take some big zig-zags to make nitrated cartriges ha-ha
 
Can't believe this..Cartridge?! CARTRIDGE??!!!
Co'mon here man! Just pour a good dose of powder down the barrel or chamber, gently stoke in the appropiate ball or sabot, put a cap on it and go for it. (a little Crisco over the balls if it's a revolver. guess there aint any law against an over the powder wad if that's your thing. been known to use one a time or two myself) Cartridge, huh..Ya'll must have been watching ol' what's his name Eastwood or Hop Along Cassidy or somebody. Send all those cigarette papers to me. I like to roll up good pipe tobacco in them. I don't like the pipe part but I love the tobacco....SO Sundance! You're a smoker huh? I just KNEW there was something about you I respected. Just couldn't quite put my finger on it!!....
 
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Them dang new fangled katridgees ain't gonna catch on ...ya gotta load um up then tote um around xtra weight and all... ya KNOW?

GOTC, I'm gonna send ya a Hooka for yer pipe t'backy to use on them cold nites you'll be a havin' ...
Sittin' here in the Mojave it's hard put myself in your weather climate, but I surely remember what it used to be like in the way upper Northeast... :O)
 
GOTC ..guess I have been pullin yer chain so to speak ...you can shoot what ever powder makes you and your guns happy with my blessings .( if it does what you want thats all that matters )
The only thing I hate to read on these forums is some one useing my beloved Grits or cornmeal as a filler now that makes a man tear run down my cheek .....that is a sin in the South ....Thats staple food here .
 
I kin unnerstan' the use of Cream of Wheat as a filler... but grits and/or corn meal? Even this half-breed knows about good corn bread and grits with butter and a little pepper. :D
 
GOTC,I'm guessing you know a better way to shoot my .54 Sharps? this one's meant for paper cartridges...got a paper cutter built in! I don't use cream o' wheat either,just good ol' Goex...
 
Smoking Gun, hell yes, it's cold up here right now. (not deep winter cold, not yet) It's 20 degrees but that's not counting the wind chill factor and it's blowing pretty hard. Laid down and the snow quit about 0100hrs this morning but the wind picked back up pretty good around 1600hrs. Not snowing again yet but the wind is whipping the laid down snow around pretty good. Supposed to be some more snow coming out of the Rockies maybe early in the morning or sometime tomorrow. They said 4 to 6 inches. Hell, winter wasn't supposed to start until the first day of December...I think I'vd got it figured out. The gov'mint is messing round with the weather. Trying to make all us high plainsmen and retired mountain men pack it in and head South so's they can get us situated in a more densely populated place. That way you see, they will have more control over what we shoot and how and when we shoot it and what we shoot with it. Well, why not? How come I can't say that? Ain't no bigger damn lie than the one's they tell us all the time.
I don't even know what a Hooka is but I reckon I don't want one, thanks anyway...Mojava, that's a pretty place....
 
BHP fan,.Just picking at you in fun a little. You know I didn't mean any harm! I'vd got a Sioux friend that has one of them Sharps like that. It only has one redeeming factor that I'm aware of. It work's first time, every time. He's a damn good shot with it to. His wife and daughter (mostly his wife) make's his ammo. They use some kind of greasy feeling paper. Don't know what kind it is or where they get it....
 
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Hey, Bigbadgun..Damn! Haven't heard from you or read you on here for a long time. You and me have some unfinished business if you remember. I was looking for you a few months ago on here. Now it will have to wait until January or Febuary.
How you been doing? I was beginning to think one of them 'gators or Python's done got you.
Yep, reservation right outside of Great Falls.
 
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