Why real BP?

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Sagetown, I have to agree. Part of the fun is actually being able to experience historically accurate results. Granted the new reproduction guns may (or may not :D) be made to slightly nicer finish specs on the whole but the feeling and results when you shoot are exactly the same as the folks got back in the 1800's. That's got to count for something.
 
LOL I'm doin' good to see the target (now that I'm pushin' 50)... and BOTH sights (danged bifocals) ! :D I know my 777 doesn't smell like rotten eggs during clean-up... there's a plus. ;)
 
I may live among 'em... but don't confuse me with one of 'em...

higene said:
Ratdog,

Careful, you're hittin' the Starbucks too hard. Your position borders on contempt prior to investigation.

We may have to get out the dart gun.
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I avoid Starbucks. Their refusal to support our troops with "product" (because of their political views of our being in Iraq), that didn't set too well with me. Then... seeing a website in which they were opening (financially) supporting the furthering of "alternate lifestyles" :banghead: (was that P.C. enough? :barf:)... the two added up to more than I'm willing to financially back. :cuss: There's LOTS of mom/pop joints that I can buy my coffee treats from. :cool:

"Contempt"? :confused: Hardly. I simply say that I like 777 (after having used it). :cool: When I can get my hands on some BP... I will... and I'll formulate my own opinions of it with first hand experience. :p Until then... I'm not going to praise it without proving it for myself. :neener:
 
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I don't mind the smell. At first I gagged but now it makes me crave deviled egg sandwiches.... :D
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I do (however), clearly recall a lamenting post of the smell the first time you used your '58's... :neener: I see you quickly graduated from elitist finishing school. :D
 
I'd like to comment,after all I've read over 4 pages.I used pyro when it first came out,and bp was'nt available;I prefer black.
Shooting muzzleloaders and Relics is supposed to be cheap [ or it was except for brass ] and the inline craze has ruined it for the throwbacks.
I do use a slug barrel [shallow groove ] with bp and have fine accuracy,if I keep a good soft lube [1000+] and a 370 maxi w 100gr ffg is 1250 fps in my gm 1 in 28 twist.
I cringe every time I look at the cost of percussion caps,[also martini brass]but I'll still use them and clean instead of fireing several caps.
BHP! unless I have to cook at the Grange,I'll be on the hill,You going to be there?
 
Yes BC , there is !

I really miss Mason :neener: NOT ....:D...Although I do miss teazing him :mad:

Useually the people who bandmouth real BP have never shot real PB :)
The ones that have shot real BP , then badmouth it are just wrong in the head .
Personally , I am just wrong in the head for other reasons :D .......But if you dont enjoy the fire and smoke of real BP , you are just wrong period , and have missed the entire point of this sport altogther .

Das Jaeger
 
I'vd got a book here somewhere about blackpowder and the products needed. One part I like is about how to make percussion caps. I'm not talking about the little 'cap-o-punch' or whatever they call it. On this one you just punch and there's a perfect cap. Then you add a drop of mercury fulminate or whatever you call it and maybe a drop of candle wax if you like and you're ready to go. (mercury fulminate is what the book said and that's what I'vd got put away to use if I ever need to, but I understand they have cleaner and better stuff out there now to load the caps with) I have the machine to make the caps to. I keep it sitting right next to a quart of 30 weight oil that was made in 1944. Anyway it's a good book. Damn thing must be a good 3 inches thick at the least. Got all kinds of pictures in there to help you. There ain't no big history lessons on blackpowder firearms and pictures of muskets or whatever that was used in such and such a war and whatnot. Just has some real good recipes on making blackpowder, casting balls, making caps, slow matches, and stuff like that. I need to hunt it up. I'vd got it here somewhere. I don't need to read it but just have it close by for reference. That book belonged to my daddy and maybe to my granddaddy before him.
Guess I'm wrong in the head then. Dosen't bother me any. Ya'll can play with that junk all you please. The particular blackpowder firearms I picked out are the only ones I care anything about. I like the way they're built and the way they load and shoot. If they would handle smokeless powder I'd be putting that in there I guess. I list::Remington (Pietta) 1858 New Model Army .44--ColtWalker (Uberti) 1847 .44 (.45)--Colt (Uberti) 1849 Pocket .31--Remington (Uberti) Cattleman's Carbine .44--North American Arms .22 Magnum Mini Revolver, plus CVA .45 inlines and Traditions .45 inlines.....I chose these pieces (every single one of them) very carefully, and I own more than one of each one of these weapons. They suit me fine. Not the least bit interested in anything else or any other type or caliber or model they have on the market. Not interested in the difference between Goex and Elephant powder. They're both woefully weak in the stopping and knockdown department, and a real b**** to try and clean up from all I'vd ever read and heard. Believe me, if I could open up a few .338 Winchester Magnum rounds and use that powder in my pieces I'd be doing it. I do own one 1st Model Dragoon. I keep forgetting about it because I don't ever shoot it. But then again I don't ever shoot much any more anyway. Just when I need to....PS. Was going to buy myself a LeMat but after a lot of reading and researching I figure a LeMat is just a problem waiting to happen....
 
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Quote ..Not interested in the difference between Goex and Elephant powder. They're both woefully weak in the stopping and knockdown department, and a real b**** to try and clean up from all I'vd ever read and heard

GOTC ..I know you didn`t hear or read on this forum that Goex and Elephant are woefully weak in stopping and knock down power .
And real black powder is hard to clean up after ...
Good greif man ...try it you may find out different from what you are thinking / reading /and wanting to beleive ..
I would try and explain how easy real black powder is to clean up after or show you the Buffalo I killed with one shot of 68grs of Goex and a .535 gr slug ( soft lead bullet ) .....good greif man the beast dropped like a rock ...and that slug passed through both shoulders and kept going . Weak ..this beast weighed over 1,400 lbs .
Ok I get it ......you really shoot real black powder and are just pulling our chains RIGHT ?
No one would argue about something they have never even tried ...:what:
 
It's the wonderful smell.

The smell of black powder in the morning is like the smell of liberty in the air.
 
Once upon a 4th of July, My wife and I flew home in the evening after dusk.
We were in our 1958 Cessna 172, flying about 3000 feet altitude.
The Fireworks look pretty weenie, down below, but the Black powder smoke covered the land, and the smell was glorious even above the fray. About as close as you could imagine the Civil War.
The kids and dads at the small airport had been using the runway to light off their fire works. They scattered so we could land, which we did amongst the smoke and smell.
My non shooting sister in law was duly impressed, when I mentioned the Civil War angle.
I have Pyrostuff and 777, but the real thing is still THE REAL THING. :neener:
 
GOTC,Martini brass is what Jefferson uses to shoot his Martini Henry.I've seen him do it!or was that his Trapdoor?The man has some really cool guns...
 
The primary difference between brands of BP is the wood used for the charcoal. It's not well understood but apparently some part of the non-carbon components of the charcoal act as a catalyst.

The boys who shoot breech loading BP double rifles will tell you that Swiss is the only brand they can get to regulate. Otherwise it's nitro for BP loads.

I use both BP and Pyrodex depending on this or that. I've never seen Swiss in the flesh, all I find on the shelves is Goex or one time a German brand. If the store has real BP at all.
 
Sundance.44's....Hell, I didn't say blackpowder wouldn't kill a buffalo, or a man or a rabbit or hell maybe a full grown roaring ass lion. In the most basic form all I said was that 777 is stronger than blackpowder (which is true) and easier to clean up after than blackpowder (which is true). I also said I like Triple Seven 3fff (which is true)....
PS Hygeine..Man that book has probably been out of print for damn near a hundred years or better. I'll look for it tomorrow. I think I know about where I put it.
BHP, thank you sir. Knew damn well I couldn't ever remember hearing of such a critter....
 
I've used Swiss,and except for being a bit cleaner,and having a little less ''Pooh'', it's not all that different from Goex.Elephant is a little dirtier,and has a little more ''kick'',assuming the same granulation,of course.
 
unspellable: I've never seen Swiss in the flesh,
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Shooting 25gr. w/.454"ball and SWISS in this .44 Army and 25gr. of GOEX in the holstered Brass .44 Army to compare powders. The SWISS recoil was very notable here.
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''BHP, thank you sir. Knew damn well I couldn't ever remember hearing of such a critter....''
No problem. I've played around a bit with the subs over the years,and of all of them the only one I'll let anywhere near my guns is 777.You mentioned the power and the clean up,but what impressed me was the almost flat trajectory.
 
Truth be told, I used 777 during whitetail hunting last week in my T/C Renegade 54. Shot it in the evening and cleaned it. Snapped caps and loaded in the morning.
It worked well enough, and cleaned up quick too. Just didn't smell right.
I still use FFFg in the revolvers. Before I read this forum, I was worried about the warning against compressing the powder charge.
In a short barreled colt, the loading lever is so short you don't have much control. Once the ball is swaged into the cylinder chamber, it moves pretty fast and compresses the charge pretty hard.
I Promise I'll give it a try next time, OK? Just tell me you won't beat me anymore!
 
I shoot a fake a black powder revolver (Stainless ROA). Which may be the reason I shoot fake black powder (777). They're made for each other...they sure seem to work well together.

If I could get hold of one of those cylinders that use 209 shotgun primers...I'd likely use that as well. Then I could have fake primers...
 
AbitNutz said:
I shoot a fake a black powder revolver (Stainless ROA). Which may be the reason I shoot fake black powder (777). They're made for each other...they sure seem to work well together.

If I could get hold of one of those cylinders that use 209 shotgun primers...I'd likely use that as well. Then I could have fake primers...
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OMG... next.... he'll be wanting to get himself some implants... so he can be fake there too. :evil:
 
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