Why real BP?

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777 can be used in a flintlock in a duplex load.
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And like I've said before, that's alot of added aggravation and expense for a very questionable "benefit". Why would I want to spend more money for a fake powder, carry 2 horns and measures, take at least twice as long to load, and run the risk of a hangfire/misfire when traditional black powder has worked so well for hundreds of years and is readily available?

To me it sounds like a solution is search of a problem.
 
I dunno (fyrfyter43)... I think what's to be learned here is... to help someone finding themselves in a "what if". Meaning? Ya get a chance to hunt in a new location... get to your destination and realize you're human... and forgot your favorite powder. How do you effectively adapt and overcome? Ya never know when a tidbit picked up along the way... could come in handy for someone.

On a day to day practical application? I tend to agree with you... more fuss than fun.
 
And like I've said before, that's alot of added aggravation and expense for a very questionable "benefit". Why would I want to spend more money for a fake powder, carry 2 horns and measures, take at least twice as long to load, and run the risk of a hangfire/misfire when traditional black powder has worked so well for hundreds of years and is readily available?
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We're just trying to help a fellow forum member who asked a legitimate question. Sorry we got your sensibilities all offended.
 
Ya'll need to buy yourselves a gun that will shoot 777. Who told ya'll that you could use just any ol' piece ya'll decided on?!!
Ya'll need to check with me and a couple more fellers on this here site. We'un's, and we'un's alone, will instruct you all's in what manner of firearms you all may choose!!!
Well, it's cold up here now. Been cold all day with that wind whipping about. Snow flurry here and there. Know it's gonna be down there tonight...Propane is a wonderful thing. Lot of people around here burn wood and it keep's their places warm but damn! You have to go to the mountain and haul it back and all sort's of different stuff. My people back before I was borned used to take a horse and wagon and make the trip to the mountains for their wood. Rough times back then. Grandmother and them used to tell me about how it was.
Guess I'm gonna shut it down for the night. It's not even dark yet but I'vd done added another cold weather double wide sleeping bag to my bed and all, so I think I'll just crawl in those bags and listen to the radio. To hell with it. I'vd done checked over every knife and gun I own and all my cleaning stuff and spare parts and all. I reckon I'm in good shape for the shape I'm in. Hope all of you have a good night with no problems. OK, holler at ya'll tomorrow....
 
I dunno (fyrfyter43)... I think what's to be learned here is... to help someone finding themselves in a "what if". Meaning? Ya get a chance to hunt in a new location... get to your destination and realize you're human... and forgot your favorite powder. How do you effectively adapt and overcome? Ya never know when a tidbit picked up along the way... could come in handy for someone.
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The fact remains that for a flintlock, blackpowder is still needed. So if you forgot your powder and can't find any blackpowder readily available, you're still SOL.
 
mykeal said:
We're just trying to help a fellow forum member who asked a legitimate question. Sorry we got your sensibilities all offended.
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No sensibilities here to offend. :evil:

Like I said, "duplex" loads in a flintlock are a solution in search of a problem.
 
Well FYRFYTER43, if you're still reading this, be it known I hate to see you leave. I know I shoot Triple Seven and I like my .45 inlines with the sabots, but I admire and respect your feeling's on the matter to. You're a purist. I'm somewhere half in between. I use what I use but I stand ready to go back further if the need should ever arise. I can skin an animal and make my own clothing. I can strike a fire using flint and steel. I have all the equipment and supplies I need for making my own powder. (not only the electric ball mill but also the mortar and pestle) Anyway, we're not all bad. I joke and bulls*** around sometimes but I don't mean any harm by it and neither does anyone else on here. We're just all on here passing a little time and talking about a way of life we love. Give us a little bit of credit, man. Well, anyway, I wish you the best....
 
You know the Tread question here was Why real BP ??
How about the right answer to the question ...Because it says Black Powder only on the Barrel .
If one choses to use Subs in a rifle or pistol that was designed to shoot Black Powder .........they can deal with the problems of it , just don`t blame the company that made the gun when it doesn`t shoot right with subs .
 
black is easy to make, it works in all black powder weapons. You don't have to carry three flasks to make a flinter go off.

I shoot all kinds of black powder guns, cannons, flinters, percussion, catridge, etc. It really isn't that big a deal to clean up, and to clean up is about the same work as some of the subs. If the gun is so valuable that you must be afraid of destroying it, then perhaps trip 7 is the way to go.

I understand that trip 7 should not be used in some bottleneck cartridgees.
 
You know the Tread question here was Why real BP ??
How about the right answer to the question ...Because it says Black Powder only on the Barrel .
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From the TC sidelock manual pages 2 and 3, [red emphasis added]:

http://www.tcarms.com/assets/manuals/current/Shooting_TC_Side_Lock_Black_Powder_Guns.pdf

....Thompson/Center muzzleloaders are designed and intended to be used only with a commercially manufactured Black Powder or an approved Black Powder substitute, such as Pyrodex propellant of the specific granulation or type called for in this book-By Black Powder we mean a powder which is manufactured specifically for use in muzzleloading firearms as opposed to smokeless powder which is manufactured for use in metallic cartridges or shotshells. NO smokeless powder, even those which appear black in color, should ever be used in a muzzleloadingfirearm. Be sure you know what type and granulation of powder you are loading. Never buy or use powder unless you have seen it poured from the original manufacturer’s container which is clearly identified on the label. Use Black Powder or an approved Black Powder substitute, such as Pyrodex, only of the type and granulation specified in this booklet and never load charges heavier than those listed.
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I guess that by specifying "commercially manufactured" BP, TC doesn't want folks to shoot their TC guns with homemade black powder. And the same stipulation is usually made by gun manufacturers as it applies to reloaded cased ammunition too, no matter how safe it is or how carefully the rounds are assembled. :rolleyes:
 
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Well, I hate black powder. Hate it, hate it, HATE it! If Mr Remington or Mr Colt had 777 back then you can bet they would have recommended it. I don't have to blame anyone for any problems because I don't have any problems. Lot's of ya'll are the ones who seem to have all the problems. "Oh, my nipples don't fit right!" "Damn I had to drop the hammer twice before the cap would fire!" On and on and on. All I have to do is just cock mine and pull the trigger and WHAMM!!! All that 777 explodes with a power and force that black powder couldn't even begin to imagine. Nope, no problems at all that I know of. If I have any I promise ya'll that ya'll will be the first ones I let know. There, does that make ya'll feel better? Good, good. Yes sir, always glad to do my little part for the good and well being of the whole. My my, I'll sleep good tonight for sure just knowing I have contributed so much....MR. GOTC....
 
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Mr ?

Gentleman , Mr. , Sir , ha ha ha :D
I aint so sure anymore about you GOTC :neener:
Put the Jugg Down ! :D You'll make more sence to yourself if ya do . :D
ANYONE that would rather shoot 777 or Pyrodreck is plumb looney .
You pass the test , your the man now . :D
The whole I idea of shooting BP guns at all is to shoot real BP if possible .
Why not just buy yourself a nice little Roooger BlackBird in .357 and be done with it ?
BP shooting is for real BP , not for fake crap . If that's all you can get then fine, but purposely not shoot real BP ? You totally missed the whole entire point of this sport GOTC .
Wow, I went from respecting your wisdome to thinking you may have more than just the one screw loose now ? :eek:
I would switch MASH , yours has got some Mold on her . :D
Now I have heard it all :banghead: ..............Sleep tight , gloat away in your dreamz , that be silly talk you be speakin now . :neener::D

Jaeger , whom used to admire you ? Now I am confuzed and shocked ?
 
Herr Jigger, I'm not in it for the sport suh. Never was. I'm in it because I alway's knew that when I needed to shoot, the gun would shoot with no hangfires, mis-fires. jams, or what have you. When I drop the hammer on one of my pieces I KNOW it's going to shoot and I know EXACTLY where the round is going because I know the condition of my guns, I know the condition of my powder, ball and cap, and I built that charge in each chamber all by my little self. I don't give a damn about the noise and smoke. Dosen't mean anything to me. I'll leave all that stuff to the kind folks who like to go to some range and watch everybody stare at them just because they shot a damned ol' Walker....I'm not in the jug sir. Don't care for it myself. Now if it was a coffeepot full of good dark roast, well now, that's a different story. What, I'm supposed to live my life according to the standards you set for me? Ha ha, I don't think so. Probably not tomorrow and certainly not today. I'll tell you something else to. I'vd made black powder before. Poured it on the ground and burned it up. (PPOOFF!!) Tell you something else to. The black powder I made was a hell of a lot cleaner and much stronger than that maggot poop ya'll call Goex. I'd sure have to be a desperate little feller to load that junk into a gun of mine much less depend on it to protect me or feed me....
 
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Bp gotc

Not sure , but BP refers to Black Powder right . At least to anyone that can spell that tis . I don;t think it stadn for Pyrodreck Revolvers ? Hmmm , BP revolvers , Black Powder Revolvers, yup, surely does . Tripple 7 Revolvers ? Nope , not that either .
What , your not going to live by the standards I set for you ? Oh bummer, I may just cry myself to sleep tonight . :D

Jaeger
 
Herr Jigger.. Suh, ya'll are demonstrating you all's ungodly ignorance in a most un Southern manner ah must point out heah suh..This heah so called 'blackpowder' deal which appear's to have ya'll all comfobulated heah is depressing to me suh. Ah find it extremely depressing suh. When ah first spoke to you all on this heah site ah was so sure. Ohhh!!!! Ah am so disappointed suh! God know's ah had hoped for so much betta....
 
Heck I thought I had been reading from 777 users be careful not to compress it too tight ..don`t store it too long ..don`t ever let dampness fall on it ..be sure and use real hot caps ..always put a little of the real stuff behind it so you can use it in a flinter ....
be sure and reduce your charge ....
This stuff sounds like a bigger pain in the azz than my ex .
and I think someone has been smokeing the stuff ....
On the other hand ..REAL BLACK yes even Goex ....
Compress the heck out of it if you like ....won`t hurt a thing .
you can store it over 150 years ...no problem
let it sit out in the rain .,.and dry it on a rock on a sunny day ......good as new
and in a flinter ...use one horn if you like ....it will work in the prime pan as well as under the ball ...all from the same horn .
 
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Ratboy68

Sundance , your spot on with your evaluation of the Holy Black . Once you turn black you'll never turn back , WORD ! :D

Jaeger
 
I have an opinion of the 777 since I've used it. I likes it. I don't have an opinion of regular BP... haven't gotten/used any yet. Stay tuned though... same Ratdog time, same Ratdog channel. :D
 
Ratdog, if you are able to see the target though the smoke from 777 then it's not the real thing and you're missing out on the confusion brought on by the "fog of war".... :D

And having seen the BROWN smoke from Pyrodex I'm loathe to let it into my guns.



WOW! Here I sit having shot about a 1/2 lb of Holy Black in total and already I'm as elitist as you can get.... :D
 
Why real Black Powder?
Lots of good posts here, and I've pondered whethter to add to it, but here goes.

For me, Real Black Powder is the choice for the guns that came from another era. Along with man's desire to possess the beautiful craftsmanship of yesteryears black powder weapons follows that yearning to use the same powders that our forefathers used.

Nostalgia hits most of us sometime or another. To me an intriguing representation of times past is the enjoyment of burning real black powder in a well balanced shootin iron from the pages of history. I already said that didn't I. Maybe its worth repeating. :D

Sage
 
777 warning

Ratdog,

Careful, you're hittin' the Starbucks too hard. Your position borders on contempt prior to investigation.

We may have to get out the dart gun.

Hugs,

Higene

;)

PS: No baiting the purists.
 
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