Why real BP?

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I did NOT need that mental image...

seriously though,I would forgo the whole 209 adapted cylinder and get an R&D conversion cylinder.Or, maybe get both.It'd be sweet to be able to use black powder or cartridge in the same gun,at will.I had one in a Pietta Remmie,and have always regretted letting that combo go....
 
I was thinkin ..maybe if you have never used real black , you should just stick with the subs .
Real black lights off so much quicker than any sub ..it will scare you ...might cause a bad flinch .
 
Sundance44's!!!...You ought to be ashamed of yourself man!!.. The rather high level of sarcasm was duly noted and appreciated sir! Think it might make us flinch a little huh? Well, we certainly don't need any flinches around here!..Hell, the clean up probably wouldn't be a problem with me anyway. As good as I scrub and check and double check and then check again back and forth, whether it was Triple Seven 3fff or real homemade blackpowder or a mixture of epoxy and quick set concrete, that piece would be clean when I got through. I don't use 777 just because it's easier to clean up or because I'm too lazy to clean. I like the power. That Triple Seven 3fff will hum a ball on down the line believe me. Best damn thing since sliced bread. It's alway's done me good. Be hard for me to turn my back on it....Why, there's no doubt in my military mind that if Ol' Davy Crockett had 777 back then for 'Ol Betsy", why, he could have stood right there at the Alamo and killed Mexicans all the way down there by the Panama Canal Zone somewhere....
 
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Ok Ok I`m ashamed of myself that was indeed sarcasm , forgive me I have sinned ... But if I had an old powder horn I would fill it up with some 777 and leave it hang in my shop for the winter ,( Just to prove a point )..that old Davy would never put a powder in his horn that turns into a brick in a few month.
GOTC I think you are really defending this 777 just to keep the howlerin up ....
If you really beleive that 777 is a powder that could see you through hard times in the woods alone with a need to hunt to eat ....
Do some testing with it ...........get some wet ...at the same time get some Goex wet ...then dry out both powders and see which one will still killl game for you .
I like to test every thing I shoot , one of my test is with black powder cartridges ...
I tried loading 777 ..pyrodex ..and APP in the brass cartridges ...let them sit a year and shot them through my crono ..........the subs are all over the chart after long storage ...the Goex is more consistant shot after shot ....since that day , I have been looking for a place to dispose of the 777 and pyrodex I own ..
a friend of mine just bought a mortar with a coke can size bore .....so I have now found a place to dispose of the jars of sub powders I have ...they should all work well enough to chunk coke cans and such .and I was about to use my subs to pour on these dang fireant hills and light them up ..may do that too though .
One thing that though .....GOTC ..with those words you imply you are a follower of the Holy Black Powder by the C meaning Charcoal ......................since when do they use Charcoal to make 777 ...
 
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Charcoal

on the brain maybe :neener:

Jaeger , good grief, that was sometin else GOTC , wow . Im'e so bummed tonight , you were my IDOL , now your my Doorknob ? :D

Jaeger
 
Implants? You have to have BP implanted? In the Immortal words of some damn body when talking about fake boobs...GUYS DON'T CARE.

I never said I wouldn't get a Kirst conversion but I would like to try a 209 primer cylinder.

Anyone who believes that they're holding true to some mythical code of BP is deluding themselves. It's a pistol. It shoots a lead projectile...period. The different ways of doing that just add to my amusement.
 
Anyone who believes that they're holding true to some mythical code of BP is deluding themselves.
I don't mind you stating your view of black powder and the black powder sports. Your opinion of what I believe and practice is better kept to yourself, please
 
here in PA, we have a two week deer season just for flintlocks. Further, percussion cap and ball revolvers are not legal for anything but Coyotes and grround hogs. Since so many folks here use flint locks to take advantage of the Flint season for deer, most folks here stick to black and it is probably more available here, because of higher demand.

I have a pound of trip 7 and honestly haven't tried it in my percussion guns yet. I also have about 3/4 pound of Pyrodex that is 25 or 30 yrs old. Used it once, never ever again. Too corrosive.
 
Flight Jacket ..I was thinking of a Tattoo...I like it also ..got it off of Pvt. Hemvills site.
 
Sundamce.44s. That's my flag right there. I may reside in Wyoming but I was borned and reared in the Great State of Alabama. I still hold true to my principles..
Sundance, I have spent a great deal of my life prowling through Wyoming, Montana, on up through the Yukon and up through vast portions of Alaska in any kind of weather you want to name. No one to depend on but myself. Back in some of those holes I'vd been in if I shot it was to protect my life and well being, to start a fire, or to get something to eat. If something about the gun didn't do right it would have meant there was a great possibility that I was going to die in the next couple of minutes, or that I would slowly go to sleep and freeze to death, or that I'd spend a hungry night.
Sir, you shouldn't have poured that powder down the ant hill. Dosen't matter what type of make or brand it was. There's lot's of people way back in those hills and mountains right now who desperately need that powder you just wasted. I know it's yours, sir. You can do as you like with it. But please remember this. Somewhere in Wyoming, Montana, Canada, Alaska, and on over into Siberia there is a man and his wife (squaw or whatever you want to say) and their children and they'll go to bed hungry tonight because he didn't have any powder to make the shot..Respectfully, Stan..
 
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I `ve been hanging onto that 1/2 a jug of 777 for a long time looking for some poor soul who wanted it , or thought he needed it , or maybe wanted to just try it like I did .
I bought it ..I tried it ..and I didn`t like it ..my black powder guns didn`t like it .
I don`t know anyone that shoots an Inline rifle ....You can`t give away an inline rifle in my home state ...we are allowed to use single shot black powder cartridge rifles during the primitive season . any model Pre 1900`s of single shot make.
The Fire Ants attacked me ..them things are dangerous around here ...thats a small hill ...I have larger ones in my pasture , 10 times that size ...I have 3/4 of a jug of pyrocrap I plan on stuffing in the larger hill ..
I would NOT give the Pyrodex to anyone that likes their guns ...it caused flash rusting in mine ....I value my guns too much to see the bores ruined .

I guess when I run out of junk powder , it`s back to poisions ...or buy a ant eater .
 
I gave my [inherited] Pyrodex to the cannon shooters at my club,after it flat out ruined a favorite pistol flask of mine.I HATE that crud.Triple Seven is a whole different critter.Shoots good,clean up is eazy,my only gripe against it so far,is that it costs twice what Goex does.I get real honest BP through the club at $12.00 bucks on a group buy,and the last bottle of 777 I bought set me back almost $24.00.
 
I have a couple of elderly brass frame cap'n'ball revolvers from the 1970s which were cheap and loose to start with (please no replies about my old girlfriends) and quite frankly have decided to shoot only real FFFg black powder in them. I use PyrodexRS in muzzleloading rifles, triple seven in BP cartridge, but real BP for the revolvers. The substitutes really require a long barrel and no cylinder gap leakage for consistent results. Triple Seven seems to be sensitive to compression, and the only way I can be consistent with that is using it in cartridges only.
 
Sundance, I'll ask you sir because you are the one who stated it...Pyrodex will cause flash rusting? Never heard of that before. I'vd never used it and don't think I know anybody who has except for reading on here. I'vd only been messing with a computer for like maybe 4 years. I know about 6 people who shoot strictly black powder but they make their own. They don't mention Elephant powder hardly ever but I have heard them talk pretty bad about Goex. They'vd made it and shot it all their life and ain't none of them under 60 years old. (I don't believe they are anyway) Damn! That just reminded me. I need to find that book. I promised Higene....Sir, your sins are forgiven thee. Go in peace and sin no more....PS. I have left guns (except the inlines) loaded for extended periods of time and never had any trouble with the Triple Seven 3fff firing, and I mean just as good as ever. I had some BlackMag 3 turn as hard as a rock on me and it had never been opened (still ended up shooting as good as ever) but I have never had 777 turn hard on me even if it was out of the original container and in the flask for a long long time. Of course I'm alway's extremely careful about how I take care of my powder and caps....
 
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GOTC:
What a lot of ole timers had to say about GOEX was not that it was bad in their long guns, but that Elephant was more consistent. Here is an excerpt on the subject of the two.
By the way GOEX was made by Dupont, and Elephant a Brazilian powder (still sold as Elephant by Petro-Explo out of Arlington, Texas.) was, if I'm not mistaken, purchased by (Schuetzen Powder, LLC).

Elephant is different in one regard. It has an extremely low sulfate content in the potassium nitrate brought on by a longer milling process. this brings about low acidity in the powder. Elephant Blackpowder also has a more glazed appearance. the end result is reduced bore pressure and slightly slower velocities. Does this make Elephant inferior? Not necessarily. In fact, velocities are quite consistent with little standard deviation, which translates to excellent accuracy and more than enough pressure for dispatching big game.

p.s. GOEX began selling their blackpowder brand in 1912, it was produced by E.I. Dupont de Nemours Company at its Berlin, Pennsylvania plant. In 1970 Dupont ceased production, and eventually sold their plant to GOEX.
 
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Ok I`ll explain the flash rusting I spoke of ....here`s the deal what happened to me with Pyrodex ..
I was useing Pyrodex P in my Remington revolver
I normaly clean when I get home from the range with hot soapy water and dry with a hair dryer , then oil and store the piece .
This day ..I washed the revolver parts and just layed them on a towel to air dry ..in an hour I came back to find my chambers and bore flash rusted from the pyrodex .
I tryed this same thing with a revolver I only shot Goex with and , after washing I can leave it to air dry and never ever have I found any rusting at all ...
There must be some chemicals in Pyrodex that keep a bore from getting a proper seasoning ......
This is the reason you have seen others on this forum say that Pyrodex ruined their bores and chambers .........and call it Pyrowrecks .and such ...it is just that .
The 777 and APP powders I tried didn`t do the flash rusting in my guns ....But it is harder to light off ..and no where as consistant as real black powder .
I test my powders with a crono and keep the data ...not one of the subs I have tested will meet my standards I set with Goex .
Something for thought ....in the 1800`s no one tried to improve black powder ...powder went from real black powder to smokeless ...................................You just can`t improve the real thang !
 
" Blackpowder"....
Sub title--"The Complete Encyclopedia For Blackpowder, Percussion Caps, Balls, and Much More.".... Author--Addolyn Sawyer....My particular book was printed August 1907 in New York, NY....PS..Sycamore and Sweet Gum make excellent charcoal....
 
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